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Talk about two identical fights with two very different outcomes. In both fights we had an early knockdown and a cautious pace though the GGG/Jacobs was more exciting because the punch output was greater. But the fights were very similar and you had GGG and Kovalev pushing the pace behind an effective jab and Ward and Jacobs trying to win rounds with some cosmetic flurries at the ends of the rounds.

The difference is that Ward got credit for these ineffective flurries that did nothing but look nice and Jacobs did not. Boxing Judges got it correct last night though I didn't see the fight nearly as close as they did. Judges need to stop awarding rounds to fighters retreating ineffectively besides the last 10 seconds of every round. Lately, judges have ignored the beginning and middle of these rounds and awarding them to whomever ended the round more fantastically.

Last night was a recipe for a bad decision and I was waiting for it again but I was pleased to see that they got it right for a change. I hope that it had more to do with what the judges saw than how much money is on he line for GGG/Canelo Superfight.

..I agree with the parallels you draw..to me it just shows the subjective character of the decision-making process in boxing..

caldo2025 wrote:Talk about two identical fights with two very different outcomes. In both fights we had an early knockdown and a cautious pace though the GGG/Jacobs was more exciting because the punch output was greater. But the fights were very similar and you had GGG and Kovalev pushing the pace behind an effective jab and Ward and Jacobs trying to win rounds with some cosmetic flurries at the ends of the rounds.

The difference is that Ward got credit for these ineffective flurries that did nothing but look nice and Jacobs did not. Boxing Judges got it correct last night though I didn't see the fight nearly as close as they did. Judges need to stop awarding rounds to fighters retreating ineffectively besides the last 10 seconds of every round. Lately, judges have ignored the beginning and middle of these rounds and awarding them to whomever ended the round more fantastically.

Last night was a recipe for a bad decision and I was waiting for it again but I was pleased to see that they got it right for a change. I hope that it had more to do with what the judges saw than how much money is on he line for GGG/Canelo Superfight.

Sorry buddy. Jacobs punched with much more authority than Ward, by far.

There is one similarity, the KD, but that's about it.

Disagree with the thread title.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Talk about two identical fights with two very different outcomes. In both fights we had an early knockdown and a cautious pace though the GGG/Jacobs was more exciting because the punch output was greater. But the fights were very similar and you had GGG and Kovalev pushing the pace behind an effective jab and Ward and Jacobs trying to win rounds with some cosmetic flurries at the ends of the rounds.

The difference is that Ward got credit for these ineffective flurries that did nothing but look nice and Jacobs did not. Boxing Judges got it correct last night though I didn't see the fight nearly as close as they did. Judges need to stop awarding rounds to fighters retreating ineffectively besides the last 10 seconds of every round. Lately, judges have ignored the beginning and middle of these rounds and awarding them to whomever ended the round more fantastically.

Last night was a recipe for a bad decision and I was waiting for it again but I was pleased to see that they got it right for a change. I hope that it had more to do with what the judges saw than how much money is on he line for GGG/Canelo Superfight.

Sorry buddy. Jacobs punched with much more authority than Ward, by far.

There is one similarity, the KD, but that's about it.

I'll agree with that, i guess. Jacobs landed more effective blows than Ward ever did in that fight. But both guys through these dazzling flurries that had the crowd go crazy but were completely ineffective and missed punches. Ward got credit for them and Jacobs didn't. I just don't understand these judges. I just saw how 2 of the judges last night gave Jacobs the 12th round. HOW? That was so clearly GGG's round. Makes me wonder, it really does. Do they look back at their earlier scores and try to make up for a round that they don't feel confident about? No idea.

caldo2025 wrote:Do they look back at their earlier scores and try to make up for a round that they don't feel confident about? No idea.

I think that's exactly what they do. They try to make a final score matching their overall impression of the fight.

caldo2025 wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Talk about two identical fights with two very different outcomes. In both fights we had an early knockdown and a cautious pace though the GGG/Jacobs was more exciting because the punch output was greater. But the fights were very similar and you had GGG and Kovalev pushing the pace behind an effective jab and Ward and Jacobs trying to win rounds with some cosmetic flurries at the ends of the rounds.

The difference is that Ward got credit for these ineffective flurries that did nothing but look nice and Jacobs did not. Boxing Judges got it correct last night though I didn't see the fight nearly as close as they did. Judges need to stop awarding rounds to fighters retreating ineffectively besides the last 10 seconds of every round. Lately, judges have ignored the beginning and middle of these rounds and awarding them to whomever ended the round more fantastically.

Last night was a recipe for a bad decision and I was waiting for it again but I was pleased to see that they got it right for a change. I hope that it had more to do with what the judges saw than how much money is on he line for GGG/Canelo Superfight.

Sorry buddy. Jacobs punched with much more authority than Ward, by far.

There is one similarity, the KD, but that's about it.

I'll agree with that, i guess. Jacobs landed more effective blows than Ward ever did in that fight. But both guys through these dazzling flurries that had the crowd go crazy but were completely ineffective and missed punches. Ward got credit for them and Jacobs didn't. I just don't understand these judges. I just saw how 2 of the judges last night gave Jacobs the 12th round. HOW? That was so clearly GGG's round. Makes me wonder, it really does. Do they look back at their earlier scores and try to make up for a round that they don't feel confident about? No idea.

I think the 12th went to Jacobs ... so did fightnews, and I sensed a few people on the HBO broadcast were a little uneasy about the decision, but they have to protect the PPV. Similarly, ESPN (the worldwide leader in sports) has a stake in HBO PPV buys too. The mainstream media coverage is a bit too compromised.

Ward could get credit for the sneaky rounds, it is the way boxing scoring is written.
I just think that Jacobs punched like he wasn't afraid of getting hit.
Jacobs's "flurries" were 3 or 4 full power shots GGG could have countered.
After Ward got countered, he never tried to throw with power again.
Even though I think Ward won, he did win in shell.
Jacobs shouldn't be compared to that.

Reasonable analogy, I didn't score this one but it was very close. Jacobs seemed more in it than ward to me.

Some similarities, but felt Kovalev more clearly proved to be the better boxer and puncher reducing Ward to ineffective brawler status. Jacobs seemed to bewilder and stunt GGG's attack on more occasions by comparison. Is it a coincidence that both GGG and Ward being the more heavily backed fighters from fan to promoter support are the ones walking away with the decision?

I don't think ward has much backing or fandom. I'm going incompetence on that one.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't think ward has much backing or fandom. I'm going incompetence on that one.

Fans in the arena in that case. His promoter easily outmuscled the small time Kathy Duva in negotiations as well. She did Kovalev no favors in that fight.

Blodhemn wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't think ward has much backing or fandom. I'm going incompetence on that one.

Fans in the arena in that case. His promoter easily outmuscled the small time Kathy Duva in negotiations as well. She did Kovalev no favors in that fight.

Roc Nation is probably the worst promotional outfit I've ever seen. They couldn't care less. The crowd will usually rally behind a fighter getting stomped early. I don't see where duva went wrong.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't think ward has much backing or fandom. I'm going incompetence on that one.

Fans in the arena in that case. His promoter easily outmuscled the small time Kathy Duva in negotiations as well. She did Kovalev no favors in that fight.

Roc Nation is probably the worst promotional outfit I've ever seen. They couldn't care less. The crowd will usually rally behind a fighter getting stomped early. I don't see where diva went wrong.

All Duva did was get the fight made. Unless she's dumb enough to think they'd get a fair shake in Vegas, with Vegas judging then she didn't look out for her fighter's best interest. Ward also got a much bigger purse. Duva is small time, and I'm sure didn't learn anything the first time around.

Roc Nation loses money on all of their fights because of ridiculous guarantees. Kovalev had a great deal for that fight. As for the fair shake, if you think it was bought it wouldn't matter where it was. Duva is miles better than roc Nation.

Not saying main Events is big time like they used to be, but if you look at the guys they've worked with, Kovalev, Chilemba, Cunningham, Adamek, etc.. they all got big fights and were built nicely. For the few years that RocNation has been in the sport their fighters Ward, Cotto & Gamboa haven't exactly been living the high life. Joke of an operation.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Roc Nation loses money on all of their fights because of ridiculous guarantees. Kovalev had a great deal for that fight. As for the fair shake, if you think it was bought it wouldn't matter where it was. Duva is miles better than roc Nation.

In general terms, yes, but she really has zero clout in the sport. She's just an HBO puppet since the NBC cards end.

Blodhemn wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Roc Nation loses money on all of their fights because of ridiculous guarantees. Kovalev had a great deal for that fight. As for the fair shake, if you think it was bought it wouldn't matter where it was. Duva is miles better than roc Nation.

In general terms, yes, but she really has zero clout in the sport. She's just an HBO puppet since the NBC cards end.

See the other post. Roc Nation doesn't care enough to look for clout. Nobody has less than them.

Right decision last night

Compu-Box had Golovkin landing 231 of 615 punches for a connect percentage of 38, and Jacobs landing 175 of 541 punches for a connect percentage of 32.

I didn't score it but I had the general feeling Jacobs edged this one. I was actually a little surprised by the amount of support GGG got for the decision. It was close though.

Whereas Kov/Ward was more of a 'close but clear' type of affair for Kov.

I think everyone can agree that in terms of actual punches thrown and landed Jacobs did far better than Ward.

If Ward could manage a decision against Kovalev, case can be made for Jacobs too.
Analogy is good here.

Judging is very subjective and at times favors the more marketable boxer.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Sorry buddy. Jacobs punched with much more authority than Ward, by far.

There is one similarity, the KD, but that's about it.

I'll agree with that, i guess. Jacobs landed more effective blows than Ward ever did in that fight. But both guys through these dazzling flurries that had the crowd go crazy but were completely ineffective and missed punches. Ward got credit for them and Jacobs didn't. I just don't understand these judges. I just saw how 2 of the judges last night gave Jacobs the 12th round. HOW? That was so clearly GGG's round. Makes me wonder, it really does. Do they look back at their earlier scores and try to make up for a round that they don't feel confident about? No idea.

I think the 12th went to Jacobs ... so did fightnews, and I sensed a few people on the HBO broadcast were a little uneasy about the decision, but they have to protect the PPV. Similarly, ESPN (the worldwide leader in sports) has a stake in HBO PPV buys too. The mainstream media coverage is a bit too compromised.

Ward could get credit for the sneaky rounds, it is the way boxing scoring is written.
I just think that Jacobs punched like he wasn't afraid of getting hit.
Jacobs's "flurries" were 3 or 4 full power shots GGG could have countered.
After Ward got countered, he never tried to throw with power again.
Even though I think Ward won, he did win in shell.
Jacobs shouldn't be compared to that.

Some other people also scored Jacobs in the 12th round and it really makes me scratch my head how i can not even find a way to give Jacobs that round if i tried. Here you have GGG just chasing down Jacobs the whole round, battering him with hard shots against the ropes and Jacobs barely making it out of the round. Jacobs took such a beating in that last round, he just collapsed into the ropes at the end and couldn't stand. How that is a winning round is beyond me.

In no way could i find a way to do give Jacobs that round.

boxing_rocks wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Do they look back at their earlier scores and try to make up for a round that they don't feel confident about? No idea.

I think that's exactly what they do. They try to make a final score matching their overall impression of the fight.

If THAT is true then the whole judging process is horseshiit. Once a round ends, a judge should place their score and then not have a chance to change it. That score should be locked in and filed away electronically at the start of every new round. It's 2017, instant replay and electronic scoring should be freaking instituted.

Instant Replay could have saved the fight for Roman Gonzales. That knockdown scored against him was CLEARLY a headbut that knocked him down. How the HBO crew didn't catch it is beyond me. It wasn't a body shot that put him down. Judges had to score it 10-8 when Roman won the round besides the knockdown. That's a 3 point swing that you can't make up in a close fight and easily fixed with IR.

caldo2025 wrote:Some other people also scored Jacobs in the 12th round and it really makes me scratch my head how i can not even find a way to give Jacobs that round if i tried. Here you have GGG just chasing down Jacobs the whole round, battering him with hard shots against the ropes and Jacobs barely making it out of the round. Jacobs took such a beating in that last round, he just collapsed into the ropes at the end and couldn't stand. How that is a winning round is beyond me.

In no way could i find a way to do give Jacobs that round.

You hurt the credibility of GGG supporters with this version of the 12th.
That round was not what you saw.

One person's view doesn't hurt the credibility of GGG supporters in general. I thought you of all people would be against treating groups on the basis of an individual's actions or characteristics.

I guess, like most people, you're pretty selective when it comes to that kind of stuff.