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Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 30 Mar 2017, 09:09
by Tony1244
I don't mean like Paddy Ryan vs John L. Sullivan because until Apple and Google team up on some wicked technology, we're never going to see that.
I'd like to see:
Bobick-LeDoux 1 & 2
Bobick-B. Johnson
Bobick-Middleton
Lyle-Ellis
Lyle-Bonanvena
These all happened and I can't even find a photo on some of these. Some were televised but apparently unfindable now.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 30 Mar 2017, 12:02
by Tony1244
A little fib in there I realized. I saw Bobick-Middleton Live but since then haven't even seen a photo of it and I saw Bobick-B. Johnson on TV, but can't find a youtube or other taping of it.
Lyle vs Bonavena and Ellis have apparently been vaporized like it was something out of Orwell's 1984.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 31 Mar 2017, 03:22
by Dart340
I'd like to see more of Elisha Obed in his prime. I posted his title defense against Tony Gardner in Nassau on YouTube, but I'd like to see the Sea Robinson fight and the Eckhard Dagge defense as well.
Seeing something of Edgar "Mad Dog" Ross would be great too. Strange that he could be a top ranked contender for so long and in line for several title shots that never materialized and there isn't one second of footage available anywhere to my knowledge.
I'll take a copy of Michael Dokes against Roughhouse Fischer from the Ali-Holmes undercard as well if anyone's got it too. Strange that there's no footage of it laying around either.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 31 Mar 2017, 07:39
by dalcumly
Not many will agree with me but I'd like to see footage of the European title fight in Rome between Piero Tomasoni and Henry Cooper.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 31 Mar 2017, 11:43
by klompton
Orlin Norris-Burt Cooper
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 31 Mar 2017, 22:07
by elmersalsa
Ken Buchanan vs Ismael Laguna I
Carlos Ortiz vs Ismael Laguna II
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 01 Apr 2017, 04:37
by Tinnie
Dart340 wrote:I'd like to see more of Elisha Obed in his prime. I posted his title defense against Tony Gardner in Nassau on YouTube, but I'd like to see the Sea Robinson fight and the Eckhard Dagge defense as well.
Seeing something of Edgar "Mad Dog" Ross would be great too. Strange that he could be a top ranked contender for so long and in line for several title shots that never materialized and there isn't one second of footage available anywhere to my knowledge.
I'll take a copy of Michael Dokes against Roughhouse Fischer from the Ali-Holmes undercard as well if anyone's got it too. Strange that there's no footage of it laying around either.
You wouldnt happen to know if any footage of Mattioli/Dagge is floating about would you?... been patiently waiting for that to emerge for a few years now.....
think ive seen a short clip of Mattioli/Obed at Kooyong Stadium in Victoria....
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 04 Apr 2017, 22:38
by APerno
Leonard-Hearns (six months after the first fight; at welterweight)
Rosario-Camacho
Chavez-Whitaker
Jones-Toney
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 05 Apr 2017, 16:59
by Tony1244
APerno wrote:Leonard-Hearns (six months after the first fight; at welterweight)
Rosario-Camacho
Chavez-Whitaker
Jones-Toney
I think the above fights are available to see.
My list are fights I've been looking for but can't even find a 5 second clip of.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 05 Apr 2017, 20:00
by APerno
Tony1244 wrote:APerno wrote:Leonard-Hearns (six months after the first fight; at welterweight)
Rosario-Camacho
Chavez-Whitaker
Jones-Toney
I think the above fights are available to see.
My list are fights I've been looking for but can't even find a 5 second clip of.
Ah! misunderstood your post - I thought your were speaking of rematches that should have, but never occurred.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 05 Apr 2017, 22:55
by Hurricane Hank
Dart340 wrote:I'd like to see more of Elisha Obed in his prime. I posted his title defense against Tony Gardner in Nassau on YouTube, but I'd like to see the Sea Robinson fight and the Eckhard Dagge defense as well.
Seeing something of Edgar "Mad Dog" Ross would be great too. Strange that he could be a top ranked contender for so long and in line for several title shots that never materialized and there isn't one second of footage available anywhere to my knowledge.
I'll take a copy of Michael Dokes against Roughhouse Fischer from the Ali-Holmes undercard as well if anyone's got it too. Strange that there's no footage of it laying around either.
Footage of Elisha Obed V Eckhard Dagge exists.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 06 Apr 2017, 01:40
by Dart340
Hank, I had no idea. Never seen it anywhere.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 06 Apr 2017, 01:43
by Dart340
Tinnie wrote:Dart340 wrote:I'd like to see more of Elisha Obed in his prime. I posted his title defense against Tony Gardner in Nassau on YouTube, but I'd like to see the Sea Robinson fight and the Eckhard Dagge defense as well.
Seeing something of Edgar "Mad Dog" Ross would be great too. Strange that he could be a top ranked contender for so long and in line for several title shots that never materialized and there isn't one second of footage available anywhere to my knowledge.
I'll take a copy of Michael Dokes against Roughhouse Fischer from the Ali-Holmes undercard as well if anyone's got it too. Strange that there's no footage of it laying around either.
You wouldnt happen to know if any footage of Mattioli/Dagge is floating about would you?... been patiently waiting for that to emerge for a few years now.....
think ive seen a short clip of Mattioli/Obed at Kooyong Stadium in Victoria....
Never seen the Mattioli-Dagge clip, sorry.
I do know Tony Gardner told me a strange story about having a good payday ruined to fight Mattioli in Italy because of an earthquake near the stadium and the fight got cancelled.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 06 Apr 2017, 08:24
by Tony1244
APerno wrote:Tony1244 wrote:APerno wrote:Leonard-Hearns (six months after the first fight; at welterweight)
Rosario-Camacho
Chavez-Whitaker
Jones-Toney
I think the above fights are available to see.
My list are fights I've been looking for but can't even find a 5 second clip of.
Ah! misunderstood your post - I thought your were speaking of rematches that should have, but never occurred.
Doesn't matter, that's an interesting list as well.

Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 07 Apr 2017, 16:52
by sweetviolenturge
I'd like to see footage of local fighters that I used to train with at Singer's Gym in downtown Buffalo back in the day when I was first starting out.
One of them was southpaw puncher/journeyman Vic Brown who fought some of the best of his era such as Floyd Patterson, Ken Norton, George Chuvalo, Ernie Terrell & Al "Blue" Lewis.The fights of his that I'd most like to see ( if they had been filmed at all ) were his bouts with Patterson, Terrell & Norton.
He was supposed to have given a good account of himself vs Patterson, had Terrell out of his feet at one point & had Norton on the canvas. But, other than the briefest mention of the Norton fight, I have yet to even find any detailed accounts of these bouts.
Another fighter that I trained with & actually provided sparring for was lightweight contender Ralph Racine who beat other world class fighters such as Larry Stanton, "Cocoa" Sanchez & Dale Hernandez. He also fought world title challengers "Diablito" Valdez & Gaetan Hart as well as future world champion Hilmer Kenty, whom he dropped twice.
Lastly, there's Pat Cuillo who was a top 20 light heavyweight/cruiserweight who beat the likes of Jimmy Young, Steve Zouski & Leon "Nightlife" McDonald & also fought world champions & contenders such as Eddie Gregory, Dwight Braxton, Ricky Parley & Tony Mundine.
I'd love to see any footage that exists of any of these three fighters in action.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 11:13
by Tuan_Jim
Any Greb at all.
Eddie Gregory/Matthew Franklin in full.
David Bey vs Buster Douglas.
Tony Tubbs vs Orlin Norris.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 11:14
by Tuan_Jim
Oh and Jeff Merritt vs Ernie Terrell and Stan Ward!
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 11:35
by BitPlayer
The Corbett-Fitzsimmons Fight was filmed but lost. I'd like to see that both for history of boxing and cinema, though I think parts survive.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 12:32
by Tony1244
Tuan_Jim wrote:Oh and Jeff Merritt vs Ernie Terrell and Stan Ward!
Ernie Terrell vs Chuck Wepner would also be interesting to watch.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 13:11
by Tuan_Jim
BitPlayer wrote:The Corbett-Fitzsimmons Fight was filmed but lost. I'd like to see that both for history of boxing and cinema, though I think parts survive.
I think I saw partial footage of this fight, beautifully restored, some years ago, perhaps on The Ring website, with similar ancient films of the heavyweight champs of yore. Fitzsimmons looked like he punched with tremendous clout. Every shot like a falling piano!
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 13:13
by Tuan_Jim
Tony1244 wrote:Tuan_Jim wrote:Oh and Jeff Merritt vs Ernie Terrell and Stan Ward!
Ernie Terrell vs Chuck Wepner would also be interesting to watch.
Absolutely! It seems like a fight that would have been filmed?
Merrit's bout with Stan Ward was broadcast live on the undercard of a Foreman fight, some here have claimed to possess it over the years.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 13:17
by Tony1244
Tuan_Jim wrote:Tony1244 wrote:Tuan_Jim wrote:Oh and Jeff Merritt vs Ernie Terrell and Stan Ward!
Ernie Terrell vs Chuck Wepner would also be interesting to watch.
Absolutely! It seems like a fight that would have been filmed?
Merrit's bout with Stan Ward was broadcast live on the undercard of a Foreman fight, some here have claimed to possess it over the years.
Merritt-Ward is a great example of a fight I saw when it happened on TV but haven't seen since. If I remember correctly, Merritt was winning the fight and Ward KOd him quickly perhaps with 1 punch.
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 19 Oct 2018, 20:49
by ritchieblackmore
tony tubbs v orlin norris usba...........? is it out there?
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 20 Oct 2018, 00:28
by Onetimeonly
APerno wrote: ↑05 Apr 2017, 20:00
Tony1244 wrote:APerno wrote:Leonard-Hearns (six months after the first fight; at welterweight)
Rosario-Camacho
Chavez-Whitaker
Jones-Toney
I think the above fights are available to see.
My list are fights I've been looking for but can't even find a 5 second clip of.
Ah! misunderstood your post - I thought your were speaking of rematches that should have, but never occurred.

I thought he misunderstood your brilliant play on the title!
Re: Fights You've Never Seen a Second of but would like to see
Posted: 20 Oct 2018, 00:43
by jamamb
sconiers-wilder