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- Andre Ward was not impressive in his last fight, getting knocked down and receiving a gift decision from the judges, needing to use very negative tactics to survive the distance

- Sergey Kovalev was not especially impressive, although he clearly did enough to deserve to win

- Roman Gonzalez was not especially impressive in his past two fights, although he probably should have received a win in his last fight

- Age 35 Gennady Golovkin looked a bit past his best in his last fight, although he's still very good and won the fight against a very strong opponent in Daniel Jacobs

In contrast, Vasyl Lomachenko has been very impressive in his past three fights, completely dominating world-class opponents.

I'm not sure how to accurately sort out the rest of the top ten P4P, but it seems clear to me that Lomachenko should be P4P #1 at this time.

I think Crawford is.

Freedom2013 wrote:- Andre Ward was not impressive in his last fight, getting knocked down and receiving a gift decision from the judges, needing to use very negative tactics to survive the distance

- Sergey Kovalev was not especially impressive, although he clearly did enough to deserve to win

- Roman Gonzalez was not especially impressive in his past two fights, although he probably should have received a win in his last fight

- Age 35 Gennady Golovkin looked a bit past his best in his last fight, although he's still very good and won the fight against a very strong opponent in Daniel Jacobs

In contrast, Vasyl Lomachenko has been very impressive in his past three fights, completely dominating world-class opponents.

I'm not sure how to accurately sort out the rest of the top ten P4P, but it seems clear to me that Lomachenko should be P4P #1 at this time.

Sosa was world class?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Crawford is.

Crawford is top class

MachoTime wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:- Andre Ward was not impressive in his last fight, getting knocked down and receiving a gift decision from the judges, needing to use very negative tactics to survive the distance

- Sergey Kovalev was not especially impressive, although he clearly did enough to deserve to win

- Roman Gonzalez was not especially impressive in his past two fights, although he probably should have received a win in his last fight

- Age 35 Gennady Golovkin looked a bit past his best in his last fight, although he's still very good and won the fight against a very strong opponent in Daniel Jacobs

In contrast, Vasyl Lomachenko has been very impressive in his past three fights, completely dominating world-class opponents.

I'm not sure how to accurately sort out the rest of the top ten P4P, but it seems clear to me that Lomachenko should be P4P #1 at this time.

Sosa was world class?

I'd say he was around the top 5, though it's not like he's some P4P talent.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Crawford is.

I think he's good enough to be, but hasn't had the kinda performances to put him there just yet.

MachoTime wrote: Sosa was world class?

Just one loss from years back. Was ranked in the BoxRec top 5 at 130 before the fight. Stopped highly-regarded Fortuna.

He is not P4P No. 1.

His record is too weak.

Horse wrote:He is not P4P No. 1.

His record is too weak.

Considering he's still got less than 10 fights I'd say his record is pretty phenomenal. Russell, Martinez, Sosa and especially Walters are all pretty damn solid scalps for any fighter.

Horse wrote:He is not P4P No. 1.

His record is too weak.

Weak?

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Crawford is.

I think he's good enough to be, but hasn't had the kinda performances to put him there just yet.

His performances are dominant. Not sure what you're seeing there.

Freedom2013 wrote:Weak?

To be the P4P No. 1? Yes!

Are you kidding? Why can't we wait?

Are you trying to turn people against him?

Stop with the nonsense.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Crawford is.

I think he's good enough to be, but hasn't had the kinda performances to put him there just yet.

His performances are dominant. Not sure what you're seeing there.

They definitely have been. I guess I just haven't seen him do it against a guy I'd consider as talented as Walters, though that may just be me overestimating Walters.

He's certainly a phenomenal talent, and I expect he'll continue to be a force at 140 and 147 for a while to come. Nobody at 140 can beat him right now.

Speaking of which. What's the word on Terence Crawford? Seems we oughta be hearing about his next fight soon.

gilgamesh wrote:Speaking of which. What's the word on Terence Crawford? Seems we oughta be hearing about his next fight soon.

Felix Diaz May 20.

Disappointing opponent, but after that he's said he's going to 147 for bigger fights.

Diaz is quite good. That's a nice fight.

Freedom2013 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Speaking of which. What's the word on Terence Crawford? Seems we oughta be hearing about his next fight soon.

Felix Diaz May 20.

Disappointing opponent, but after that he's said he's going to 147 for bigger fights.

Diaz isn't a disappointing opponent at all to me. Diaz is a quality fighter and deserves a big opportunity. I had Diaz ranked #8 at 147 up until recently when he moved back to 140.

Freedom2013 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Speaking of which. What's the word on Terence Crawford? Seems we oughta be hearing about his next fight soon.

Felix Diaz May 20.

Disappointing opponent, but after that he's said he's going to 147 for bigger fights.

What's disappointing about Diaz? Guy is a dark horse in the division. Several people think he should've gotten the nod over Peterson.

I have him at about #4. The reason Ward and Kovalev looked less impressive in their last fight is 'cos it was against each other - they have both been dominant in their way against good, Sosa-esque guys in the past. And the Salido fight is still recent enough to be significant. Golovkin has seemingly lost a step, Gonzalez has lost more than that, and Inoue, M Garcia and Thurman haven't themselves done quite enough yet for top 5, but #4 (behind Ward, Kov, and Crawford) feels about right for Loma and is more of a testament to his abilities than a criticism.

Maybe in ten years people will look back on this era as the beginning of the Lomachenko era and the ambiguities of the current day will be somewhat whitewashed, like how so many think the end of the Whitaker #1 era is the beginning of the RJJ #1 era and the end of that is the FMJ #1 era, forgetting that the likes of De La Hoya, Mosley and Tszyu had brief but justifiable claims during that time. We'll just have to wait and see on that.

Freedom2013 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Speaking of which. What's the word on Terence Crawford? Seems we oughta be hearing about his next fight soon.

Felix Diaz May 20.

Disappointing opponent, but after that he's said he's going to 147 for bigger fights.

Diaz is better than Sosa P4P.

I have Loma currently #2 in P4P rankings. I could see anyone having him from #1 to #4 honestly.

Edwin Valero was something like 27-0 with 27 KO's and didn't get anywhere near half the hype (nut hugging) Loma has with only 9 fights and a loss.

Loma already has better wins than Valero

crusader wrote:Loma already has better wins than Valero

By quite a bit.

Badhusker wrote:Edwin Valero was something like 27-0 with 27 KO's and didn't get anywhere near half the hype (nut hugging) Loma has with only 9 fights and a loss.

Wilder is 38-0, but he has only one decent win, while Loma has at least 3 wins better than Stiverne.

Lomachenko is no.1 p4p G.O.A.T. TBE.

Nah but he's pretty good.

I think he is and it is not close.