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The problem I have with Team GGG and his obsessive fans is the double-standards and inconsistencies, such as:

• Is willing to face certain fighters at 168lbs or 175lbs, but then demands 164lb catch-weight stipulations for others
• Is willing to face certain fighters at 154lbs, whilst refusing to engage in catch-weight stipulations at a higher weight (i.e. 155lbs, 157lbs etc.) for others
• Is critical of light middleweights facing 147lb-ers, but yet he's praised for fighting a welterweight at 160lbs
• Is critical of other fighters demanding catch-weight stipulations, but he has previously done this himself when he claimed he would only consider fighting a certain opponent at 164lbs
• Is critical of prospective opponents requesting too much money to face him, yet he himself has declined to consider opportunities to engage in marquee fights against pound-for-pound quality opposition for precisely the same reason
• Has frequently claimed that he’s willing to face anyone between 154lbs to 168lbs, but GGG never competes at a weight other than 160lbs
• Certain fighters are criticised for refusing to engage in rematches against opposition that they have scored contentious decisions against, but Golovkin is supported for doing the same thing
• Has stated on multiple occasions that legacy takes precedence over money, yet he prefers to engage in a big money fight instead of title unification
• Has previously accused other fighters as being “cowards” and “ducks”, because they refused to face him for the money being offered, due to these opponents claiming they could command greater sums elsewhere, but yet he’s praised for doing the very same thing himself
• Golovkin fans are outraged when the quality of his resume is scrutinised and exposed using evidence cited by the same third-party sources that they usually support for other fighters

I don’t feel I need to expand on these points, since they are easy to understand the situations I’m referring to.

Thoughts?

Pointless thread

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Ossyrules wrote:Pointless thread

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There is evidence that I can cite to support each and every single one of the points listed above.

My gripe is mainly focussed on comments made by Abel Sanchez and hard-core GGG fans, since Golovkin hasn't said very much himself, as his command of the English language is quite limited.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Pointless thread

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There is evidence that I can cite to support each and every single one of the points listed above.

My gripe is mainly focussed on comments made by Abel Sanchez and hard-core GGG fans, since Golovkin hasn't said very much himself, as his command of the English language is quite limited.

Carry on. I'm not a GGG fan, or a hater.

I don't see what you'll achieve here

Pointless all round

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Pointless thread

Pointless poster

There is evidence that I can cite to support each and every single one of the points listed above.

My gripe is mainly focussed on comments made by Abel Sanchez and hard-core GGG fans, since Golovkin hasn't said very much himself, as his command of the English language is quite limited.

Carry on. I'm not a GGG fan, or a hater.

I don't see what you'll achieve here

Pointless all round

It’s an intentionally provocative post to encourage people to adopt a more moderate approach towards their appreciation and dislike of certain fighters, since many people that frequent this forum are blindly loyal to the point that they feel compelled to hold different fighters to different standards.

I am not a hard-core die-hard GGG fan, but I’m not a hater either. It’s my personal preference for me to see people adopting opinions that are consistent in nature and discuss facts instead, hence the nature of this thread.

I've never taken seriously the claim that GGG "could fight anyone from 154 to 168" - the important part of his career has all been at 160, he is a middleweight, that's all. He's has had plenty of chances to fight at 154 (against Rosado, Stevens and Brook spring to mind) and hasn't.

The Mayweather stuff is mostly publicity - of course he'd boil himself down for a super huge payday, and certainly it doesn't hurt his marketability being in the conversation whenever Floyd gets brought up in a boxing context. So being willing, when prompted by an interviewer, to at least pay lip service to the idea that he'd boil down for that is much different to being willing to risk chucking his career momentum away by actually jumping into the unknown by taking on a random 154lber for (relative) peanuts.

Likewise, I don't take the "ducked Ward" talk particularly seriously either - the guy was smack in the middle of acrimoniously getting out of his promotional contract, he wasn't in a position to call out active fighters at the time. It is a shame it couldn't happen, though since then Ward has fought a great fighter and Golovkin has fought a good fighter so I suppose that makes up for it somewhat.

The rest of it is likewise just a bunch of talk (though I haven't come across that much of it - maybe I'm not going on the "right" websites) - I can't get that interested in all this phony war garbage talked by promoters, managers, trainers etc. Nor do I demand that a fighter never says anything that one might consider hypocritical. Really, if it isn't about an actual fight, I don't much care about it.

EO is a f*cking troll.

boxing_rocks wrote:EO is a f*cking troll.

Every single one of the issues listed in the first post in this thread are based on actual events that took place in the real world... and you know this to be true.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:EO is a f*cking troll.

Every single one of the issues listed in the first post in this thread are based on actual events that took place in the real world... and you know this to be true.

Many of them are lies.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:EO is a f*cking troll.

Every single one of the issues listed in the first post in this thread are based on actual events that took place in the real world... and you know this to be true.

Many of them are lies.

We've discussed all of these points previously and I also supplied evidence that proves the existence of these issues.

Fights aggresively to win, even ifb his opponent gets an early lead, always so far. Sometimes on points, but normally he wins by KTFO. And all that despite being small for the weight.

And that's why [s]Wilder[/s] GGG is the best P4P fighter

BitPlayer wrote:Fights aggresively to win, even ifb his opponent gets an early lead, always so far. Sometimes on points, but normally he wins by KTFO. And all that despite being small for the weight.

And that's why [s]Wilder[/s] GGG is the best P4P fighter

Resume should decide who the best not if they knockout guys out especially there not A level opposition.

You spend too much time letting GGG and his fans get to you.

BitPlayer wrote:Fights aggresively to win, even ifb his opponent gets an early lead, always so far. Sometimes on points, but normally he wins by KTFO. And all that despite being small for the weight.

And that's why [s]Wilder[/s] GGG is the best P4P fighter

Ahh, yes, another one of the 'providing balance with constant negativity' types. Some similarities with Wilder, yes, though it would be nice if DW had faced more than 1 top 10 opponent.

Maybe talk up Fury, and whine a bit about AJ and Ortiz while you're at it.

You're retarded.

Enlightened-One wrote:The problem I have with Team GGG and his obsessive fans is the double-standards and inconsistencies, such as:

• Is willing to face certain fighters at 168lbs or 175lbs, but then demands 164lb catch-weight stipulations for others
• Is willing to face certain fighters at 154lbs, whilst refusing to engage in catch-weight stipulations at a higher weight (i.e. 155lbs, 157lbs etc.) for others
• Is critical of light middleweights facing 147lb-ers, but yet he's praised for fighting a welterweight at 160lbs
• Is critical of other fighters demanding catch-weight stipulations, but he has previously done this himself when he claimed he would only consider fighting a certain opponent at 164lbs
• Is critical of prospective opponents requesting too much money to face him, yet he himself has declined to consider opportunities to engage in marquee fights against pound-for-pound quality opposition for precisely the same reason
• Has frequently claimed that he’s willing to face anyone between 154lbs to 168lbs, but GGG never competes at a weight other than 160lbs
• Certain fighters are criticised for refusing to engage in rematches against opposition that they have scored contentious decisions against, but Golovkin is supported for doing the same thing
• Has stated on multiple occasions that legacy takes precedence over money, yet he prefers to engage in a big money fight instead of title unification
• Has previously accused other fighters as being “cowards” and “ducks”, because they refused to face him for the money being offered, due to these opponents claiming they could command greater sums elsewhere, but yet he’s praised for doing the very same thing himself
• Golovkin fans are outraged when the quality of his resume is scrutinised and exposed using evidence cited by the same third-party sources that they usually support for other fighters

I don’t feel I need to expand on these points, since they are easy to understand the situations I’m referring to.

Thoughts?

I think you should define each and every point with evidence so you can Enlighten us.

crusader wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Fights aggresively to win, even ifb his opponent gets an early lead, always so far. Sometimes on points, but normally he wins by KTFO. And all that despite being small for the weight.

And that's why [s]Wilder[/s] GGG is the best P4P fighter

Ahh, yes, another one of the 'providing balance with constant negativity' types. Some similarities with Wilder, yes, though it would be nice if DW had faced more than 1 top 10 opponent.

Maybe talk up Fury, and whine a bit about AJ and Ortiz while you're at it.

GGG has fought better opponents, but he's the Wilder of P4P.

The refugee Manny fans, the really unreasonable ones,
have become the backbone of the GGG movement.

I have nothing against GGG and Kovalev,
I was actually the 1st here to say Kovalev should be p4p #1 (racist me),

But, the fans supporting both guys have become unreasonable,
to the point discussions have become pointless.
This thread, although legitimate, will go ignored.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Every single one of the issues listed in the first post in this thread are based on actual events that took place in the real world... and you know this to be true.

Many of them are lies.

We've discussed all of these points previously and I also supplied evidence that proves the existence of these issues.

So, what is the point?

Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Many of them are lies.

We've discussed all of these points previously and I also supplied evidence that proves the existence of these issues.

So, what is the point?

Read the very first post in this thread and then comment on the points raised and also the reason for the application of double-standards.

Double standards by who ? Do people really think theres a load of boxing fans out there that "support" just one particular boxer ? Ive never met such a fan in my life, where are these people that support boxers like other people support football teams ? Boxing fans don't just pick a boxer and decide to support him above all others, it just doesn't happen, boxing fans like good matchups and good fights, yes you might be impressed with a particular guys skills but that doesn't mean you support him above all others because that wouldn't make you a boxing fan, the attitudes mentioned are those of a general sports fan, a bit like how I don't give a sh1t about snooker but will readily watch Ronnie O'Sullivan play, but that don't make me a snooker fan

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:EO is a f*cking troll.

Every single one of the issues listed in the first post in this thread are based on actual events that took place in the real world... and you know this to be true.

u need help. asap.

world ranked wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Fights aggresively to win, even ifb his opponent gets an early lead, always so far. Sometimes on points, but normally he wins by KTFO. And all that despite being small for the weight.

And that's why [s]Wilder[/s] GGG is the best P4P fighter

Resume should decide who the best not if they knockout guys out especially there not A level opposition.

Resumé and how you deal with them should

Ossyrules wrote:

world ranked wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Fights aggresively to win, even ifb his opponent gets an early lead, always so far. Sometimes on points, but normally he wins by KTFO. And all that despite being small for the weight.

And that's why [s]Wilder[/s] GGG is the best P4P fighter

Resume should decide who the best not if they knockout guys out especially there not A level opposition.

Resumé and how you deal with them should

Pac has the best resume in boxing now. Should he be p4p #1 ? No, because he is not that fighter anymore who created that resume.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

world ranked wrote:
Resume should decide who the best not if they knockout guys out especially there not A level opposition.

Resumé and how you deal with them should

Pac has the best resume in boxing now. Should he be p4p #1 ? No, because he is not that fighter anymore who created that resume.

Well no it goes without saying it has to be current and relevant