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Vs frazier: small, light. Foremon-frazier all over

Vs foremon: slow, stationary, average technique, aj wrecks him

Vs holyfield: small, not enough power to impress aj. Similar to lewis-holyfield

Vs tyson: now that is interresting. Tyson was small, but prime tyson was much more athletic than liston or frazier, had blonding speed, equal maybe a bit less power than aj but tone of aggression and the mindeset to come close to his opponents to do damage, tall boxers hate quick small powerful punchers who do inside damage. Tough one.

Vs ali: struggled and lost in my opp against norton. Aj is taller. Bigger and stronger than norton, ali outshines aj techniquly, but the difference in height and power are just to much for ali

Vs lewis: knocks weak chin lewis out

Vs vitaly: very close fight. Both tremendous power chin height

Vs wlad: we saw what happened and when aj gets a vit more older and seasoned he ll be even better

Prime vitaly and prime tyson would pose the biggest problem of all atg against current anthony joshua

I'm surprised that today's fight seems to reaffirm your AJ ATG confidence

He went life and death, and looked close to being stopped by an inactive 41 year old who lost 9-3 to Fury. AJ has done very well, but there is much room for improvement.

crusader wrote:I'm surprised that today's fight seems to reaffirm your AJ ATG confidence

He went life and death, and looked close to being stopped by an inactive 41 year old who lost 9-3 to Fury. AJ has done very well, but there is much room for improvement.

Sensible post

It's true..styles make fights and there will be plenty of arguments for and against those fighters mentioned. Personally I think you are a dikhead though Jip. Can't stand your posts.

crusader wrote:I'm surprised that today's fight seems to reaffirm your AJ ATG confidence

He went life and death, and looked close to being stopped by an inactive 41 year old who lost 9-3 to Fury. AJ has done very well, but there is much room for improvement.

Oh he went down against wlad. Who is considered an atg and a big puncher. What a shame.

That is what happens when the best face each other. Acting like ali easily beat frazier or lewis had a calm walk in the park with vitaly. When the best face each other shit can happen. Aj showed elite chin god stamina came back and ended the fight and will be more experienced with time

Fury fight was closer and fury fought a version of wlad who didnt punch back at all. The version of wlad today looked as good as in younger days. Well rounded much more punch output. Good anticipation and always great power

Aj beat a much better wlad version eith a ko.

No shame in it, but compare how Fury dealt with Wlad.

AJ may well become an ATG, but tonight against old Wlad he certainly didn't look to already be in the class of Lewis and company.

crusader wrote:No shame in it, but compare how Fury dealt with Wlad.

AJ may well become an ATG, but tonight against old Wlad he certainly didn't look to already be in the class of Lewis and company.

In terms of technique and balance you are right. But aj tops lewis in power. Tops wlad in chin. And tops barely everybody in height. Just very hard to deal with such a physical speciman.

Like i said fury fought a different version of wlad. Wlad was doing nothing. Contrary to this fight where looked 10 times more activ.

Fury moved a lot better than AJ, and could score with jabs from outside Wlad's range. I think that had something to do with why Wlad didn't look nearly as good as he did tonight, older and inactive for 18 months.

crusader wrote:Fury moved a lot better than AJ, and could with jabs from outside Wlad's range. I think that had something to do with why Wlad didn't look nearly as good as he did tonight, older and inactive for 18 months.

Valid points. But Inactivity and age mean less these days.

I think even a in tip top shape fury gets kod by aj. No doubt in my mind.

Fury moves better. But the speed and power of aj would pose huge problems for fury. For anybody.

crusader wrote:No shame in it, but compare how Fury dealt with Wlad.

AJ may well become an ATG, but tonight against old Wlad he certainly didn't look to already be in the class of Lewis and company.

Lewis couldn't stop Levi Billups in his 19th fight for Christ's sake. Anthony is nowhere near to be finished article, he is still learning. And yes, he has a lot to learn. But if we comparing him to guys like Lennox, we should compare them at the identical period of their career. And I'd take current AJ over Lennox from Levi Billups fight any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Boxing Writer wrote:

crusader wrote:No shame in it, but compare how Fury dealt with Wlad.

AJ may well become an ATG, but tonight against old Wlad he certainly didn't look to already be in the class of Lewis and company.

Lewis couldn't stop Levi Billups in his 19th fight for Christ's sake. Anthony is nowhere near to be finished article, he is still learning. And yes, he has a lot to learn. But if we comparing him to guys like Lennox, we should compare them at the identical period of their career. And I'd take current AJ over Lennox from Levi Billups fight any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

No doubt, and you don't need to tell me any of that

jip has been very high on AJ and seems to think that he's already on the level of ATGs at their best; when evaluating that claim, Joshua should be compared in his current form to them at their peaks

crusader wrote:No shame in it, but compare how Fury dealt with Wlad.

AJ may well become an ATG, but tonight against old Wlad he certainly didn't look to already be in the class of Lewis and company.

This. Lewis would have put him away easily when he was hurt tonight. I was impressed with the fight but this thread is bizarre.

Boxing Writer wrote:

crusader wrote:No shame in it, but compare how Fury dealt with Wlad.

AJ may well become an ATG, but tonight against old Wlad he certainly didn't look to already be in the class of Lewis and company.

Lewis couldn't stop Levi Billups in his 19th fight for Christ's sake. Anthony is nowhere near to be finished article, he is still learning. And yes, he has a lot to learn. But if we comparing him to guys like Lennox, we should compare them at the identical period of their career. And I'd take current AJ over Lennox from Levi Billups fight any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

crusader wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

crusader wrote:No shame in it, but compare how Fury dealt with Wlad.

AJ may well become an ATG, but tonight against old Wlad he certainly didn't look to already be in the class of Lewis and company.

Lewis couldn't stop Levi Billups in his 19th fight for Christ's sake. Anthony is nowhere near to be finished article, he is still learning. And yes, he has a lot to learn. But if we comparing him to guys like Lennox, we should compare them at the identical period of their career. And I'd take current AJ over Lennox from Levi Billups fight any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

No doubt, and you don't need to tell me any of that

jip has been very high on AJ and seems to think that he's already on the level of ATGs at their best; when evaluating that claim, Joshua should be compared in his current form to them at their peaks

I totaly aggree with you that in terms of experience or technique he aint on a atg level. But his power overall physic would just overpower better technicians like lewis, wlad n other atg

Give it a rest. AJ is a big punching body builder who's actual boxing talent is modest to say the least.

At this point in his career he's nowhere near Lennox.

Ricky_ wrote:



Give it a rest. AJ is a big punching body builder who's actual boxing talent is modest to say the least.

At this point in his career he's nowhere near Lennox.

Yeah, you win olympic gold and put a atg 3 times on the canvas and end it with tko with modest boxing talent

crusader wrote:I'm surprised that today's fight seems to reaffirm your AJ ATG confidence

He went life and death, and looked close to being stopped by an inactive 41 year old who lost 9-3 to Fury. AJ has done very well, but there is much room for improvement.

Dude, you're really giving Wlad very little credit here. And I've been one of his biggest critics over the years. He looked better tonight than he has in a while. Much lighter on his feet, and showed great recovery. He is already extremely experienced. He just needed to condition himself well. And that he did. He had a ton of experience compared to AJ and he was in fantastic shape.

It's a bit too early to compare him to the likes of those guys just yet.

It's hilarious when people dismiss a man's potential greatness because he gets dropped in a fight. Fury got dropped by Cunningham. Lewis got KOed by Rahman... the list goes on. AJ recovered well, regrouped in deep water in which he had not been before and scored a late KO over one of the most dominate HW champions the world has ever seen. Yeah, pretty impressive.

Impractical Poster wrote:It's a bit too early to compare him to the likes of those guys just yet.

It's hilarious when people dismiss a man's potential greatness because he gets dropped in a fight. Fury got dropped by Cunningham. Lewis got KOed by Rahman... the list goes on. AJ recovered well, regrouped in deep water in which he had not been before and scored a late KO over one of the most dominate HW champions the world has ever seen. Yeah, pretty impressive.

When someone is claiming that AJ already runs through most ATGs at their best, it's perfectly acceptable to note that he struggled greatly and was almost stopped by 41-year-old, inactive Wlad. Of course he can improve, though it remains to be seen how better he gets.

What's hilarious is people acting like Fury didn't already beat Wlad easily last fight

AJ vs Frazier is an interesting matchup - we've never seen AJ share the ring with a first-class swarmer like Frazier. I don't think Joshua hits quite as hard as a prime Foreman, but he certainly hits hard enough to stop Frazier and has huge physical advantages. I could see either winning by KO, though I slightly favour Joshua.

AJ vs Foreman - another difficult one to predict, two bangers, Joshua the naturally larger man, Foreman likely the more durable. I see Foreman's jab being an important factor in this fight, which is why I slightly favour him to win by KO in the middle rounds. This is a young, prime, Foreman of course, AJ knocks out the old, fat version.

AJ vs Holyfield - Holyfield is the faster and has better boxing skills, while Joshua the far bigger, stronger and more powerful. If Holy boxes intelligently, he should win a decision, but he inevitably ends up trading in almost all of his fights, though his strong chin lets him get away with it. I like Holyfield to win this by decision.

AJ vs Tyson - another very interesting matchup. I don't see it going the distance, either Tyson stops him early or AJ stops him late.

AJ vs Ali - Ali's footspeed advantage would be massive while he'd have clearly faster hands and better stamina. I honestly don't see AJ being competitive in this fight, Ali wins a lopsided decision.

AJ vs Lewis - Similarly sized, similar handspeed and footspeed, AJ possibly with a small power and durability advantage, while Lewis has better defense, better boxing skills and a better jab when he remembers to use it. I don't think Lewis would underestimate AJ and he'd outbox him before stopping him in the middle rounds.

AJ vs Wlad - A 41yo version of Wlad just pushed AJ to the limit, so I predict that the prime version wins a decision or possibly a late stoppage.

AJ vs Vitali - Both big men, AJ punches much harder, Vitali is more durable. Considering what a past-prime Lewis did to Vitali, Joshua surely has a good chance of doing the same or better, while I could see Vitali winning a decision or stopping AJ late. 50:50 fight.

crusader wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:It's a bit too early to compare him to the likes of those guys just yet.

It's hilarious when people dismiss a man's potential greatness because he gets dropped in a fight. Fury got dropped by Cunningham. Lewis got KOed by Rahman... the list goes on. AJ recovered well, regrouped in deep water in which he had not been before and scored a late KO over one of the most dominate HW champions the world has ever seen. Yeah, pretty impressive.

When someone is claiming that AJ already runs through most ATGs at their best, it's perfectly acceptable to note that he struggled greatly and was almost stopped by 41-year-old, inactive Wlad.

Of course he can improve, though it remains to be seen how better he gets.

One's prime age differs. When you note that he is 41, it's insinuating that he has slipped. If anything, I think the time off helped him regroup. When was the last time you have seen Wlad move like that? He was in tremendous shape for this fight. He has shown no signs of slipping.

With all that said, I did state that it was too early to be comparing him to the greats just yet. Maybe another 5 or so years down the line.

TBH, I felt that AJ was gassing at the time he was struggling with Wlad. Once he got his second win, he looked the better of the two again/ Just my take.

Jip wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:



Give it a rest. AJ is a big punching body builder who's actual boxing talent is modest to say the least.

At this point in his career he's nowhere near Lennox.

Yeah, you win olympic gold and put a atg 3 times on the canvas and end it with tko with modest boxing talent

Yeah you're right he's like a giant fusion of Lomachenko & Mayweather.

crusader wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:It's a bit too early to compare him to the likes of those guys just yet.

It's hilarious when people dismiss a man's potential greatness because he gets dropped in a fight. Fury got dropped by Cunningham. Lewis got KOed by Rahman... the list goes on. AJ recovered well, regrouped in deep water in which he had not been before and scored a late KO over one of the most dominate HW champions the world has ever seen. Yeah, pretty impressive.

What's hilarious is people acting like Fury didn't already beat Wlad easily last fight

Yeah... That's because that fight was a circus act of sorts. We'd all soon forget about that night.... And I was rooting for Fury. Dude didn't have the mental fortitude to even defend his title.

Ricky_ wrote:

Jip wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:



Give it a rest. AJ is a big punching body builder who's actual boxing talent is modest to say the least.

At this point in his career he's nowhere near Lennox.

Yeah, you win olympic gold and put a atg 3 times on the canvas and end it with tko with modest boxing talent

Yeah you're right he's like a giant fusion of Lomachenko & Mayweather.

Impractical Poster wrote:

crusader wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:It's a bit too early to compare him to the likes of those guys just yet.

It's hilarious when people dismiss a man's potential greatness because he gets dropped in a fight. Fury got dropped by Cunningham. Lewis got KOed by Rahman... the list goes on. AJ recovered well, regrouped in deep water in which he had not been before and scored a late KO over one of the most dominate HW champions the world has ever seen. Yeah, pretty impressive.

When someone is claiming that AJ already runs through most ATGs at their best, it's perfectly acceptable to note that he struggled greatly and was almost stopped by 41-year-old, inactive Wlad.

Of course he can improve, though it remains to be seen how better he gets.

One's prime age differs. When you note that he is 41, it's insinuating that he has slipped. If anything, I think the time off helped him regroup. When was the last time you have seen Wlad move like that? He was in tremendous shape for this fight. He has shown no signs of slipping.

With all that said, I did state that it was too early to be comparing him to the greats just yet. Maybe another 5 or so years down the line.

TBH, I felt that AJ was gassing at the time he was struggling with Wlad. Once he got his second win, he looked the better of the two again/ Just my take.

AJ was a sitting duck and Wlad didn't have the finish. Timing was off, i just rewatched it. He had AJ on a plate in 5 & 6. Kept missing the left hook and overthrowing the right when AJ was stumbling around in a desperate state.