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Okay so I'm feeling like there's a bit of a mixed feeling towards this subject.

Fury beats 39 year old Klitschko, undefeated in 11 years in Klitschko's backyard, in a very convincing wide points decision. The fight itself was criticised as dull and uneventful. Did Fury use his skill and awkwardness to blunt the arsenal of the Ukrainian? Did Klitschko underestimate his opponent that night, or was his mind elsewhere?

On the other hand:

Joshua beats 41 year old Klitschko in an eventful, and action packed 11 round stoppage where Klitschko hit the canvas 3 times, and Joshua once. Both fighters picked up a mix of praise and adulation, as both demonstrated great heart, great chin, and perseverance when the going got tough. Was Klitschko a few years older which aided Joshu'a case for victory? Did a better Wlad turn up against Joshua than Fury? Did Joshua take his punchers chance against an ageing tired Klitschko?

What's better? Winning in easy fashion to a pretty sedate points victory? Or getting knocked on your arse, to get back up and win inside the distance?

Rob3_142 wrote:as both demonstrated great heart, great chin, and perseverance when the going got tough.

Neither demonstrated a great chin.

..not that is matters, but Klitschko is Ukrainian and not Russian...

..to the point now, Fury was never in any danger, the whole thing didn't look spectacular but it's not like it should have been..Joshua barely survived round 6..was on the point of being knocked down...just didn't happen because the aging veteran couldn't pull the trigger..I believe Joshua would rather win it the way Fury did with that minimum advantage ..

Needless to say, the boxing fans enjoyed Joshua vs Klitschko a lot more and rightly so..

greg wrote:..not that is matters, but Klitschko is Ukrainian and not Russian...

Such a fail, amended. Think I must still be drunk from Saturday night.

It's chalk and cheese, no real right answer. I feel the age, 39 or 41 bears no relevance and Wlad looked every bit as sharp vs Joshua than the fury fight.

Furys win was easier, for want of a better word, as apart from the 12 when Wlad finally put his foot down, the rest was fairly controlled stuff where he was a shade more active to pick up the rounds.

Joshua's fight was the spectacle and takes my vote but I perhaps should have voted the even option thinking about it

Horse wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:as both demonstrated great heart, great chin, and perseverance when the going got tough.

Neither demonstrated a great chin.

They didn't demonstrate George Foreman style granite chin, but both took a barrage of ferocious punches. I think they answered a lot of the 'chinny' questions which were being asked.

The Joshua / Klitschko fight was by far the more exciting of the two, Fury and Klitschko turned the fight into a long boring mauling match that had very little excitement or anything really to grip your attention despite Fury's antics before the fight.

Joshua / Klitschko fight on the other hand had good boxing ability on show, knock downs and come backs, Joshua digging deep in the 11th round and Klitschko turning back the clock and making Joshua look the slower man despite being more then 10 years his senior. Everyone watching at home and at Wembley stadium would have loved the atmosphere from that fight and it has to be one of the best boxing matches staged in the UK for years.

Joshua's was certainly the more exciting fight, but I don't think that really makes it mroe impressive. I also don't buy that Wlad performed any better, he was clearly just as guy shy, you could see it when he hurt Joshua. It's just how he is.

Personally I'd say Fury's was more impressive because at no point in the fight did Wlad look like he was going to win, but it maybe just came down their styles. That said I think it's reasonable to give Joshua more credit for the stoppage.

Rob3_142 wrote:

Horse wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:as both demonstrated great heart, great chin, and perseverance when the going got tough.

Neither demonstrated a great chin.

They didn't demonstrate George Foreman style granite chin, but both took a barrage of ferocious punches. I think they answered a lot of the 'chinny' questions which were being asked.

Joshua got dropped and stunned and Fury never took a single clean punch. They showed passable chins maybe, but nothing close to great chins.

It's not even debatable. Anthony Joshua won a fight. Tyson Fury won a staring contest. If Wlad showed up to fight against Fury the way he showed up to fight against AJ he would've still been the reigning and defending Champion entering the ring that night.

gilgamesh wrote:It's not even debatable. Anthony Joshua won a fight. Tyson Fury won a staring contest. If Wlad showed up to fight against Fury the way he showed up to fight against AJ he would've still been the reigning and defending Champion entering the ring that night.

Fury made him seem washed up.

Joshua made him seem reinvigorated.

Fury is on another level.

gilgamesh wrote:It's not even debatable. Anthony Joshua won a fight. Tyson Fury won a staring contest. If Wlad showed up to fight against Fury the way he showed up to fight against AJ he would've still been the reigning and defending Champion entering the ring that night.

What the fight showed me... is the man has far and away more weaknesses than people care to admit...
He gasses out incredibly fast... He doesn't have the best chin... Only Klitschko's pride, wanting to coast, cost him the victory.

Joshua got hit flush and went down. Tyson Fury, got hit flush a few times against Klitschko, and clowned around afterwards.

So Fury does indeed have a better chin than Joshua. He's a better boxer than Joshua. He's certainly got better conditioning than Joshua. He's gotten off the floor to win many times. AJ gets off the floor, and everyone considers him a hero all of a sudden.

Joshua by a mile. Fury delivered wlad his least impressive defeat. All he had to do was punch.

HomicideHenry wrote:What the fight showed me... is the man has far and away more weaknesses than people care to admit...
He gasses out incredibly fast... He doesn't have the best chin... Only Klitschko's pride, wanting to coast, cost him the victory.

Joshua got hit flush and went down. Tyson Fury, got hit flush a few times against Klitschko, and clowned around afterwards.

So Fury does indeed have a better chin than Joshua. He's a better boxer than Joshua. He's certainly got better conditioning than Joshua. He's gotten off the floor to win many times. AJ gets off the floor, and everyone considers him a hero all of a sudden.

Fury never got hit flush because Wlad never threw meaningful punches against him. Wlad showed up and didn't fight against Fury. Fury did nothing impressive that night, he just showed up.

HomicideHenry wrote:What the fight showed me... is the man has far and away more weaknesses than people care to admit...
He gasses out incredibly fast... He doesn't have the best chin... Only Klitschko's pride, wanting to coast, cost him the victory.

Joshua got hit flush and went down. Tyson Fury, got hit flush a few times against Klitschko, and clowned around afterwards.

So Fury does indeed have a better chin than Joshua. He's a better boxer than Joshua. He's certainly got better conditioning than Joshua. He's gotten off the floor to win many times. AJ gets off the floor, and everyone considers him a hero all of a sudden.

So Joshua chin isn't good taking a flush shot from Wlad and getting dropped. Fury has been dropped a few times, once to Cunningham of all people, but has the better chin? There is no logic in here, unless you are going by Wlad didn't drop Fury but dropped Joshua. Wlad never really hit Fury.

HomicideHenry wrote:What the fight showed me... is the man has far and away more weaknesses than people care to admit...
He gasses out incredibly fast... He doesn't have the best chin... Only Klitschko's pride, wanting to coast, cost him the victory.

Joshua got hit flush and went down. Tyson Fury, got hit flush a few times against Klitschko, and clowned around afterwards.

So Fury does indeed have a better chin than Joshua. He's a better boxer than Joshua. He's certainly got better conditioning than Joshua. He's gotten off the floor to win many times. AJ gets off the floor, and everyone considers him a hero all of a sudden.

Wow Henry, you're well and truly away with the fairies today!

Fury most certainly did not get hit flush a few times by Klitschko, and there is absolutely no indication that Fury has a better chin than Joshua. I mean the fact he was floored by Cunningham, a cruiserweight and mediocre puncher at very best put Fury down, albeit briefly, has to give us some impression. He was also put down by Neven Pajkic, someone with a 30% KO rate and gives away 7 inches to Fury.

Joshua absorbed a lot of big punches from a very hard puncher in Klitschko. I mean you lose all your credibility by saying Fury is better conditioned than Joshua. Even when Fury was at the peak of his powers, he wouldn't be half of Joshua's fitness. The reason he was gassed at the end of round 5 was because he absorbed some very unnecessary punches from Klitschko. It admittedly took him several rounds to recuperate, but that he did, and found the second wind to put his guy away.

Fury deserves as many plaudits as the next guy for getting up off the floor to win a fight, but his fight with Cunningham in particular was in the States and in no form on TV. How are people expected to know and praise Fury for his heart? When has he ever shown that he can dig deep in a fight?

gilgamesh wrote:Fury did nothing impressive that night, he just showed up.

Disgusting opinion.

Joshua fought like a fighter. He went for a fight and didn t fear to lose. Fury fought like a coward. He didn t want to get hit and he did not land something big either. I am far more impress by Joshua s performance then Fury. I ll be honest i always like How Floyd dominated fight but i didn t see nothing close to it in Fury s performance.

Horse wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Fury did nothing impressive that night, he just showed up.

Disgusting opinion.

It's not an opinion. It's a fact.

You just can't handle the truth when it comes to Fury. You have to come to his rescue and pretend like he's something he's not every time.

The way that Fury humiliated Wlad implies that he would likely do the same thing to Wilder, Joshua, and Ortiz if that particular version of Fury ever fought any of them. Of course, that version of Fury may already be gone.

Joshua's battle with Klitschko put his skill, chin, toughness, and power to the test. He passed -- in many cases with high marks. But it did reveal that it is not outside the realm of possibility that he could get knocked out by a sufficiently formidable opponent.

I would conclude that Fury's win was the better win, as far as what it reflects of his abilities. If he can dominantly pick apart Wlad in a jabbing game, there's a decent chance that he could do the same to Vitali, Lennox, Holmes, Joshua, Wilder, etc..

Lackeos wrote:The way that Fury humiliated Wlad implies that he would likely do the same thing to Wilder, Joshua, and Ortiz if that particular version of Fury ever fought any of them. Of course, that version of Fury may already be gone.

Joshua's battle with Klitschko put his skill, chin, toughness, and power to the test. He passed -- in many cases with high marks. But it did reveal that it is not outside the realm of possibility that he could get knocked out by a sufficiently formidable opponent.

I would conclude that Fury's win was the better win, as far as what it reflects of his abilities. If he can dominantly pick apart Wlad in a jabbing game, there's a decent chance that he could do the same to Vitali, Lennox, Holmes, Joshua, Wilder, etc..

Wilder, Joshua and Ortiz wouldn't just stand there and look at Fury like a dumbass for 36 minutes. They'd actually throw punches at him and attempt to win. He'll never have another fight just handed to him like that again.

Lmao, Joshua would throw 4-5 punches and he'd gas out
He wouldn't do diddly squat with Fury
Fury could come in looking like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man and would probably still win.

gilgamesh wrote:

Lackeos wrote:The way that Fury humiliated Wlad implies that he would likely do the same thing to Wilder, Joshua, and Ortiz if that particular version of Fury ever fought any of them. Of course, that version of Fury may already be gone.

Joshua's battle with Klitschko put his skill, chin, toughness, and power to the test. He passed -- in many cases with high marks. But it did reveal that it is not outside the realm of possibility that he could get knocked out by a sufficiently formidable opponent.

I would conclude that Fury's win was the better win, as far as what it reflects of his abilities. If he can dominantly pick apart Wlad in a jabbing game, there's a decent chance that he could do the same to Vitali, Lennox, Holmes, Joshua, Wilder, etc..

Wilder, Joshua and Ortiz wouldn't just stand there and look at Fury like a dumbass for 36 minutes. They'd actually throw punches at him and attempt to win. He'll never have another fight just handed to him like that again.

I don't like furys chances in a jabbing game with Holmes either.

HomicideHenry wrote:Lmao, Joshua would throw 4-5 punches and he'd gas out
He wouldn't do diddly squat with Fury
Fury could come in looking like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man and would probably still win.

The fight would be over before Joshua was breathing heavy. If he needed a second wind he could just stand there and let fury mug and throw 8 or 9 shots in a round.