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Article (short) by Peter Wood, The Seductive Id of Boxing?

http://www.boxing.com/the_seductive_id_of_boxing.html

APerno wrote:Article (short) by Peter Wood, The Seductive Id of Boxing?

http://www.boxing.com/the_seductive_id_of_boxing.html

Interesting. Have you read Peter Wood's books?

Considering a black maimed cape lion is a larger and more lethal force than any human...and the sun is a million times the size of the earth... I think God's toes are a lot more significant than somebody who punches the air for a living... And who wants to be a toe? ... A toe does nothing productive, so how about a thumb? ... Or how about being God's right hand??? ... Being the right hand of God would be a trip.

There may be many more Heavyweight Champions today, but some of the champs when there was only 1 champ weren't so hot... Tommy Burns wasn't God's toe... Neither were Braddock, Walcott, Willard, or Hart... I can name a lot of Cheese Champs who would beat those guys.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

APerno wrote:Article (short) by Peter Wood, The Seductive Id of Boxing?

http://www.boxing.com/the_seductive_id_of_boxing.html

Interesting. Have you read Peter Wood's books?

No I have not - had not heard of him until I stumbled across this article - your post motivated me look him up on Amazon; Diversity: The Invention of a Concept, looks interesting - I might give it a try (cheap enough) - have you?

APerno wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

APerno wrote:Article (short) by Peter Wood, The Seductive Id of Boxing?

http://www.boxing.com/the_seductive_id_of_boxing.html

Interesting. Have you read Peter Wood's books?

No I have not - had not heard of him until I stumbled across this article - your post motivated me look him up on Amazon; Diversity: The Invention of a Concept, looks interesting - I might give it a try (cheap enough) - have you?

Dude could fight!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqNjJOJ3nTU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBMlwHS5jok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHS2PqOQWFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVorBpw6cuE


Not a bad talker either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQHpI-1qYdw

I watched the quarterfinal round - good fight - we use to have a saying up in the NY area -'amateur night at the Garden' - two guys with more enthusiasm than skill would come out, and from start to finish, just bang on each other - That fight was a great example - I had forgotten how exciting the Golden Gloves could be . . .

I've seen too many amateur fights where the kids swing away like they never had a boxing lesson in their lives... I find this strange for a developed sport like Boxing, that kids are allowed to compete when they have no skills...You generally don't see high school basketball players, tennis players, gymnasts, swimmers, or wrestlers go into competitions devoid of skills. They have coaches with strong backgrounds in those sports teaching them how to play..

At competitive schools the practices generally run 90 minutes for basketball and baseball, to several hours for gymnastics and swimming powerhouses.. It's a massive commitment, but there's zero commitment to Boxing.. It's a back shelf sport in the US, but gaining traction in the UK, Russia, and the Ukraine.

No surprise, boxing is gaining traction in third-world countries (oops, you put the UK in there, Oh well). - Boxing in high school? We use to do that, but then somebody invented the word 'litigation' and now we don't do that no more. - Hell they won't let the kids play dodge ball, jump on a trampoline, or play buck-buck (johnny on the pony) - box, that will never happen again.

Boxing in High School would be no more dangerous than Boxing at a neighborhood gym.

You make sure the parents sign a waiver that says—in no uncertain terms—if their kid gets injured or killed the trainers, coaches, and gym, even if negligent, aren’t liable for any damages whatsoever. They’re well aware it’s a huge risk, but they want their kids to box and collect all the glory so they sign without even reading all the bad stuff. “Just sign here, here, and here, and write in today’s date here and here.” If Boxing were in High Schools it would be handled the same way. There wouldn’t be a problem. Nowadays they make you sign if your kid plays football -- so a minority of parents would do it for Boxing.

EVERY KID who makes the NFL, NBA or MLB played in High School. 98% of kids who play in the NBA and NFL played in college. In the History of Boxing hardly any kid who boxed in college became a World Champion. Schools never produced much talent because the coaching was so miserable. For example, President Gerald Ford was a college boxing coach. He never boxed in his life. And most High School boxing coaches never boxed -- the blind leading the blind.

Boxers in the US are a bit like bull riders, bull doggers, and bronk busters on the rodeo circuit. Bull riding is so dangerous it seems foolish to many people. It’s nothing kids learn in school. You grow up in a certain environment and the rodeo culture becomes a way of life. You carry on the tradition generation to generation. Every father who loves Boxing to death and wants their boy to be a boxer thinks their kid will become world champion.

The biggest problem is the way Boxing is promoted in America and the reason American fans watch Boxing. I remember watching a dare devil perform at a county fair as a kid and hearing somebody shout “Whooa, look at that idiot” People gawk at dare devils like they gawk at a street fight “look at those 2 idiots” - so if they can easily afford it, why not pay a few bucks to watch a couple dumb chumps beat each other’s brains out – if they’ve got nowhere better to go.

The “Tough Man” contests were pretty popular until fans realized there’s no sense watching a couple swinging slobs you could beat yourself. The fights didn’t produce the promised action, but the promotions were the same crap as always. Knockouts, beatings, and brutality were the main focus and attraction, instead of skill and artistry. Boxing would do better to promote the art.

Nobody went to a Mayweather fight to see a savage puncher, yet he was the biggest PPV attraction of all time. Fans paid more to watch Dempsey fight Tunney than anyone else, because Tunney had the reputation for being an outstanding boxer. Do you watch a trapeze artist or a high wire walker to watch them fall to their death? Or do you want to see breathtaking skill, artistry, and sheer bravado? You don’t learn those arts in school, but the performers are damned good.

A lot of trainers and coaches also emphasize punching and aggression. “You’ve got to throw more punches Alejandro. We need this round come on. I want everything you’ve got.” If you’re taking a royal ass kicking already, throwing more punches will get you more of the same.

Kalan wrote:. . . Boxing in High School would be no more dangerous than Boxing at a neighborhood gym.

. . . You make sure the parents sign a waiver that says—in no uncertain terms . . .

. . . The biggest problem is the way Boxing is promoted in America and the reason American fans watch Boxing. . . .

. . . Do you watch a trapeze artist or a high wire walker to watch them fall to their death? Or do you want to see breathtaking skill, artistry, and sheer bravado?

gym boxing is dangerous, too dangerous for a school system to risk, that's why it is out, because it is just that dangerous

a wavier will not stop a negligence suit; the definition of negligence has a way of broadening when there are children involved; juries lead with their heart when children are involved

figure high school football to be gone in the next 25 years as well; too dangerous

we have become a pussyfied (feminized) nation; you know, the whole "Fight Club" theme

and . . . yes that is why many attend those events, to see the guy fall, crash, burn, get stabbed, crushed, or eaten by his own tiger - people have been attending death sports since antiquity

and since you saw fit to dis America, let me add, wasn't it your country who innovated 'cat burning,' 'bear baiting' and 'rating' - thanks for the cultural uplift.

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:. . . Boxing in High School would be no more dangerous than Boxing at a neighborhood gym.

. . . You make sure the parents sign a waiver that says—in no uncertain terms . . .

. . . The biggest problem is the way Boxing is promoted in America and the reason American fans watch Boxing. . . .

. . . Do you watch a trapeze artist or a high wire walker to watch them fall to their death? Or do you want to see breathtaking skill, artistry, and sheer bravado?

gym boxing is dangerous, too dangerous for a school system to risk, that's why it is out, because it is just that dangerous

a wavier will not stop a negligence suit; the definition of negligence has a way of broadening when there are children involved; juries lead with their heart when children are involved

figure high school football to be gone in the next 25 years as well; too dangerous

we have become a pussyfied (feminized) nation; you know, the whole "Fight Club" theme

and . . . yes that is why many attend those events, to see the guy fall, crash, burn, get stabbed, crushed, or eaten by his own tiger - people have been attending death sports since antiquity

and since you saw fit to dis America, let me add, wasn't it your country who innovated 'cat burning,' 'bear baiting' and 'rating' - thanks for the cultural uplift.

I coached 100's of boxers and I can't remember one having a serious injury.. I know head injuries happen but it's poorly coached kids who get hurt.. Kids who are told to throw more punches instead of being pulled out as soon they get dinged or start flagging.. I wouldn't dream of letting a kid box -- or even spar -- unless he was well trained, well conditioned, well matched, and knew how to defend himself well -- appropriate to whether he's a sub-novice, novice, open class, or world class competitor.

If any coach is negligent they should get sued. If you're an idiot you should pay through the nose.

American will always have High School football.. I played 4 years of it unscathed and don't know anybody personally who was hurt by it, outside of a few bad knees, hip injuries, or shoulder problems, which there's not that many of those that I've seen.. In my opinion it's more dangerous than Boxing though.

Girls compete in MMA and Boxing.. so being sissyfied isn't a gender thing.. Many girls have more heart for fighting than some guys do.

I don't know anything about cat burning or bear baiting.. I'm not a cruel person and would never watch a dog fight or a cock fight.. That's inhuman.

In fact, most people aren't cruel and don't want to witness death and destruction.. A brilliant KO artist they'll want to see.. They prefer to see skill and artistry of one kind or another. That's the main reason anybody would attend a Floyd Mayweather, Gene Tunney, Vasyl Lomachenko, Bernard Hopkins, Jack Britton, Jim Corbett, Tommy Loughran, Harold Johnson, Nicolino Locche, Willie Pep, or Jack Johnson fight.. Boxers who exhibit great skills and go through their careers with their brains intact are the kind of people they admire most and will pay more to see.

The fact that you are totally intermittent in your judgment, does not mean that you, on occasion, will not make perfect sense now and again.

Did you find yourself often "stepping in" when these "100's of fighters" that you trained were in trouble?

If so, I'm here to tell you that Your inconsistent judgment could well be explained by your merciful actions as a trainer.



I am a head injury specialist.....thus a big shot to some, and highly knowledgeable too many.....and practically (perhaps more often than not) know what I'm talking about.

And I heartily delcare, that what you said here shows clarity and depth, and stands out as one of the most balanced statements you have ever typed.

I concur.



But I think the "matador vs the bull" is slightly more popular scenario......two matadors get a lot criticism from the pantin' public.

BoxBuzz wrote:The fact that you are totally intermittent in your judgment, does not mean that you, on occasion, will not make perfect sense now and again.

Did you find yourself often "stepping in" when these "100's of fighters" that you trained were in trouble? If so, I'm here to tell you that Your inconsistent judgment could well be explained by your merciful actions as a trainer. I am a head injury specialist.....thus a big shot to some, and highly knowledgeable too many.....and practically (perhaps more often than not) know what I'm talking about. And I heartily delcare, that what you said here shows clarity and depth, and stands out as one of the most balanced statements you have ever typed. I concur. But I think the "matador vs the bull" is slightly more popular scenario......two matadors get a lot criticism from the pantin' public.

I make perfect sense all the time... I'm only intermittent or inconsistent in your eyes when I don't agree with YOU... You can't apply thought to your posts

I never had to step in to stop a match with a boxer I trained, but I wouldn't hesitate if a kid were in danger of being hurt. Head injuries are no joke.

All my statements are balanced and display clarity and depth.. Your statements are unreadable because you can't produce unbiased thoughts.

Jones vs Hopkins 1 was 2 matadors. An interesting match-up and why wouldn't it be? ... Unfortunately neither makes a great bull.

Ideally a boxer has the all-around skills to play bull or matador as the particular match-up demands: Vasyl Lomachenko... Gennady Golovkin... Anthony Joshua... Salvador Sanchez... Vitali Klitschko... Roberto Duran... Carlos Monzon... Eder Jofre... Tommy Ryan... James Toney and many other boxers could both evade and deflect the bull rush -- or they could take the offensive themselves... Triple-G had to run down and gore Willie Monroe -- while David Lemieux required numerous jabs and combos to soften him up -- but the referee jumped in before GGG could drive the sword through.

Now there ya go.....a lot of wrong stuff there. That's what I'm talkin about....

Your like a bad FM station that's just a little too far out in the weeds to nail the proper stereo signal.

but when a good song happen's to be playin....might as well give a listen. Then keep dialin'.

Not exactly playin' the hits, but every once in a while a one hit wonder worth listenin to will appear form out of the static.

You're insane