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I have watch every fight in the UK and US and have done for a long time. It was very clear from the beginning of BJS career that he was a 'chosen' fighter. What I mean is that in boxing unfortunately some prospects are chosen to progress and are spoon fed an easy route until a easy world title shot comes available.

In my opinion I have never seen anything more than average from BJS. He is not exciting to watch. He doesn't have knock out power. He looks gassed in literally every fight that goes late. He hasn't fought anyone of world class. He dodged Golovkin. World champions dont dodge big fights.

His toughest fight and best performance ever was Chris Eubank Jr imo. Even in that fight I genuinely dont believe he won it rather that Eubank had the exact same opinion as me and completely underestimated him. He didn't even fight for 6 rounds.... His ego lost him that fight. If he thought the first 6 rounds like he thought the last BJS would have lost or even worse got knocked out.

When I watched BJS vs Nick Blackwell, I genuinely thought Blackwell won the fight. The last few rounds BJS couldnt even breathe he was so tired and Blackwell was coming on strong easily winning the latter half of the fight. Eubank literally almost killed Nick Blackwell.

So why does BJS get such high accolade? When ever I see discussions about BJS or even Eubank it seems like he has 10ooos upon 1000s of admirers, yet he is so unexciting and average in almost every department, Why?

The guy barely even fights and takes as long a break as he can before defending his title. From what I have read I dont think he even wants to fight Khurtsidze but has no choice.

So my question does a boring fighter who has never fought anyone or even looked special once in the same discussion as Golovkin and talking as if he some sort of legend? Why does he have so many fans?

This one has puzzled me for so long so I thought I would see what the boxing community thinks.

I'm not a fan of him. I think it's like the situation with Danny Garcia. A lot of people like him, but there are a lot who don't. The people that like Billy Joe don't care that he won by controversial decisions.

No. Of the 100 or so champions, he is probably in the top half. There are a lot worse.

I think Khurtsidze might beat him.

RScarf1 wrote:I'm not a fan of him. I think it's like the situation with Danny Garcia. A lot of people like him, but there are a lot who don't. The people that like Billy Joe don't care that he won by controversial decisions.

I mean ok garcia and his dad seem like a couple of fools ok, but you have to respect the guys ability, he is a class fighter who has beaten other world class fighters. Just look at his boxrec... morales, khan, mathysse, peterson, guerrero. His only loss was to Thurman, who imo is top 4 pound for pound and looks like potential great. Even if you dont like him he is a quality fighter of world class.

Just look at BJS boxrec..... It is almost embarrassing the way he talks as if he is king of the world middleweight scene and he really is not anything special. I mean a controversial decision in a fight between two world class fighters is one thing. But when you are geting controversdial decisions against nick blackwell and chris eubank jr (who I actually rate very highly and think he can go on and be a great world champion), it's just something else.

I really hope Khurtsidze knocks him out within a few rounds. If that happens then billy joe basically failed against an old veteran who is a dangerous dont get me wrong but not world class. This should mean that BJS is exposed and all that is really left for him will be a grudge rematch vs Eubank JR, pretty much soley down to being the biggest payday that will be there for him. If he doesn't try to dodge it and I think second time round EUbank will just go ham on him and we wont be able to deal with the speed, power or work rate. I can only hope.

Definitely not the worst champion. He's got good boxing skills and has beaten some respectable opponents, though he's one of the types who seem to do only just enough much of the time.

Lennox wrote:No. Of the 100 or so champions, he is probably in the top half. There are a lot worse.

I think Khurtsidze might beat him.

Are you including mickey mouse titles in that? Lol, I dunno I mean he must legit have the worse boxrec of any champion just look at this



The lengths BJS must have gone through to stop GGG becoming unified champion by dodging is embarrassing.

I genuinely think Martin Murray would own him as he is a much better fighter. BJS probably dodge that though, no money and a hard fight. Real fighters fight anyone regardless of money. Champions fight for honor and to be the best. BJS just talks shit and clings on to his easy world title like a tough shit stain to a toilet.

I dont even think hes that bad, its just hes pretty average fighter who literally thinks he is the next mayweather or something, yet wont take a real fight....

Man, you really really dislike BJS.

Impractical Poster wrote:Man, you really really dislike BJS.

No Kidding. Don't see Khurtsidze beating BJS either. Not by a long shot.

Impractical Poster wrote:Man, you really really dislike BJS.

Haha, kind of yeah. It is not really BJS that is my main problem, it is just I hate how British boxing works and BJS to me is the pinnacle of corrupt self defeating system which has really hindered our fighters actually making it all the way. He is like the poster child for me. World champion for 2 years yet never fought anyone... how does that work lol. Surely the best should fight the best? Is he really even the best middleweight in England let alone the world.

Just if you look at social media for example he has so many people who think he is some kind of god boxer and I just dont get it, hence I thought this would be the best place to get other opinions from other actual boxing fans who watch every fight and have some basic boxing experience / knowledge.

MachoTime wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Man, you really really dislike BJS.

No Kidding. Don't see Khurtsidze beating BJS either. Not by a long shot.

I think BJS could win for sure. I have no idea how its not a tough fight though. Khurtsidze old but in good form and powerful.

I would just like to see him fight someone good first before declaring himself the best middleweight on the planet as he has done in the past.

So according to you, this is just another easy fight he has taken then yeah? Kind of keeps with my thoughts tbh wither way.

tonymaccaroni wrote:

MachoTime wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Man, you really really dislike BJS.

No Kidding. Don't see Khurtsidze beating BJS either. Not by a long shot.

I think BJS could win for sure. I have no idea how its not a tough fight though. Khurtsidze old but in good form and powerful.

I would just like to see him fight someone good first before declaring himself the best middleweight on the planet as he has done in the past.

So according to you, this is just another easy fight he has taken then yeah? Kind of keeps with my thoughts tbh wither way.

Saunders is a good fighter. Don't see it as a easy fight. Saunders has too much size advantage over Khurtsidze. Saunders should win comfortably.

He's got some decent British level wins (Blackwell, Spike, Ryder) and two big wins over Eubank Jr and Andy Lee, two good fighters, the latter of which was in the best form of his career. My biggest frustration with him is inactivity and the resulting lack of work rate and stamina when he does fight. He's a skillful boxer though and if he comes in to the Khurtsidze fight in top shape I think he'll win a clear decision.

ElJefe wrote:He's got some decent British level wins (Blackwell, Spike, Ryder) and two big wins over Eubank Jr and Andy Lee, two good fighters, the latter of which was in the best form of his career. My biggest frustration with him is inactivity and the resulting lack of work rate and stamina when he does fight. He's a skillful boxer though and if he comes in to the Khurtsidze fight in top shape I think he'll win a clear decision.

Andy Lee was the best I ever see him I agree. Thought Andy Lee was a spent force obviously coming back for one last pay day... Still was the best punch BJS ever landed so I give him that one.

To me Eubank Jr was so close and he lost it himself severely underestimating BJS. I genuinely thought he was trying to take the piss out of BJS by letting him do what he wanted for 6 rounds then trying to knock him out. Unfortunately it failed spectacularly for him.

The inactivity is genuinely down to him dodging. He doesnt want to lose the title, he wants to hold it for as long as he can. That means fighting as little as possible and waiting for weak opponents to come up. Thats how it looks to me anyway.

I do agree he is a skillful boxer, but I think he has stamina issues and is kind of boring.

tonymaccaroni wrote:The lengths BJS must have gone through to stop GGG becoming unified champion by dodging is embarrassing.

Didn't Golovkin pull out of the fight?

Golovkin is the ducker.

Golovkin is afraid!

Horse wrote:

tonymaccaroni wrote:The lengths BJS must have gone through to stop GGG becoming unified champion by dodging is embarrassing.

Didn't Golovkin pull out of the fight?

Golovkin is the ducker.

Golovkin is afraid!

Troll? If the shoe fits......disappear.

Badhusker wrote:

Horse wrote:

tonymaccaroni wrote:The lengths BJS must have gone through to stop GGG becoming unified champion by dodging is embarrassing.

Didn't Golovkin pull out of the fight?

Golovkin is the ducker.

Golovkin is afraid!

Troll? If the shoe fits......disappear.

Or just disappear regardless.

Horse wrote:

tonymaccaroni wrote:The lengths BJS must have gone through to stop GGG becoming unified champion by dodging is embarrassing.

Didn't Golovkin pull out of the fight?

Golovkin is the ducker.

Golovkin is afraid!

Lol. Top trolls. Sure, Golovkin doesn't want an easy fight to unify the middleweight division. Of course.

Saunders talk big, but he actually refuses a lot of fights, this is why he is so inactive. He is only really interested in the pay day. The problem he has is that for the big pay day he has to actually fight someone good. He is in his own Catch 22 situation.

Saunders career is underwhelming and he has much to prove imo

I don't buy a lot of the eubank stuff though you're saying. A loss is a loss and if he facked up that's his problem. I think eubank is a good fighter though.

Saunders career badly needs a shot in the arm though

Ossyrules wrote:Saunders career is underwhelming and he has much to prove imo

I don't buy a lot of the eubank stuff though you're saying. A loss is a loss and if he facked up that's his problem. I think eubank is a good fighter though.

Saunders career badly needs a shot in the arm though

I think the Eubank thing is kind of subjective. I will be honest I am a Eubank fan. That said i totally agree with you he lost on the night fair and square, I am not saying he won, just there was like a point in it maybe in BJS favour and anyone can see from Eubanks bizzare corner strategy and opening 6 rounds there was definitely something strange going on. I still think it was pure Bravado and complete underestimation from Eubank Jr. I think clearly Eubank has advantages on him in almost every department except experience and maybe ring savvy. Power, speed, technique and stamina Eubank is above him on all of them.

I just think its really sad on BJS part. He's the champ so he says, well come on then show us and take some fights. Martin Murray is so underrated. Fight him. Prove your the best. Fight Eubank JR again if you want money. They could easily make good payday out of that rematch now.

He doesn't want to fight Khurtsidze either, but he has to cause if they strip his title then Golovkin has absolutely no interest at all. Its just sad to see a fighter who doesn't seem to actually want to fight only talk.

Great discussion by the way, I dont really have many friends who are as into boxing as I am so thank you for all the opinions. i just think about these things and can't really discuss it with the missus lol.

tonymaccaroni wrote:I just think its really sad on BJS part. He's the champ so he says, well come on then show us and take some fights. Martin Murray is so underrated. Fight him. Prove your the best. Fight Eubank JR again if you want money. They could easily make good payday out of that rematch now.

Yes, Saunders should fight Murray.

Let's see if he can prove he is the best in Britain, before trying anything bigger.

Horse wrote:

tonymaccaroni wrote:I just think its really sad on BJS part. He's the champ so he says, well come on then show us and take some fights. Martin Murray is so underrated. Fight him. Prove your the best. Fight Eubank JR again if you want money. They could easily make good payday out of that rematch now.

Yes, Saunders should fight Murray.

Let's see if he can prove he is the best in Britain, before trying anything bigger.

I think it would be a great fight, I just dont know if it has the draw or the payday to ever actually happen, I mean Murray would take it in a heartbeat obviously, but BJS would probably just say he is past British level. Even though I dislike him and hios attitude towards boxing and being a champ, from a career perspective if he lost to Murray he wont ever get the big payday he is obviously trying to wait for.

tonymaccaroni wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Saunders career is underwhelming and he has much to prove imo

I don't buy a lot of the eubank stuff though you're saying. A loss is a loss and if he facked up that's his problem. I think eubank is a good fighter though.

Saunders career badly needs a shot in the arm though

I think the Eubank thing is kind of subjective. I will be honest I am a Eubank fan. That said i totally agree with you he lost on the night fair and square, I am not saying he won, just there was like a point in it maybe in BJS favour and anyone can see from Eubanks bizzare corner strategy and opening 6 rounds there was definitely something strange going on. I still think it was pure Bravado and complete underestimation from Eubank Jr. I think clearly Eubank has advantages on him in almost every department except experience and maybe ring savvy. Power, speed, technique and stamina Eubank is above him on all of them.

I just think its really sad on BJS part. He's the champ so he says, well come on then show us and take some fights. Martin Murray is so underrated. Fight him. Prove your the best. Fight Eubank JR again if you want money. They could easily make good payday out of that rematch now.

He doesn't want to fight Khurtsidze either, but he has to cause if they strip his title then Golovkin has absolutely no interest at all. Its just sad to see a fighter who doesn't seem to actually want to fight only talk.

I think eubank is a fighter with good potential, but I think poorly managed. He's had the chance to fight Saunders again but didn't like the money he was offered, he could have had the ggg fight but wanted more again. In real terms eubank has lost his only test. So while he has good potential, he needs some proper fights to show it.

tonymaccaroni wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:I'm not a fan of him. I think it's like the situation with Danny Garcia. A lot of people like him, but there are a lot who don't. The people that like Billy Joe don't care that he won by controversial decisions.

I mean ok garcia and his dad seem like a couple of fools ok, but you have to respect the guys ability, he is a class fighter who has beaten other world class fighters. Just look at his boxrec... morales, khan, mathysse, peterson, guerrero. His only loss was to Thurman, who imo is top 4 pound for pound and looks like potential great. Even if you dont like him he is a quality fighter of world class.

I agree with you about Garcia, but there are a lot of haters.

The talk was BJS boxing GGG in Kazakhstan during the expo later on.
That's not happening now Canelo v GGG is done so where does BJS go from here ?
First thought was domestic, rematch Eubank Jr.