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sooner or later wilder has to step up and
my guess is he will not look as impressive
as wlad did. but a unification bout with two
big men like this, both undefeated and with
an almost 100% combined KO ratio, doesn't
happen often.

my guess is deontay will continue for some
time to be the tough guy on video messages,
but won't sign a contract any time soon. in
the end it will happen and wilder will lose
by KO.

I've said a couple of times on here that I could see this being a carbon copy of the Martin fight with AJ's superior technique more likely to mean he would be first to land the big shots.

Having said that I think it more likely that the first few rounds will be extremely cagey with both conscious of the other's ability to end it quickly. Whatever Wilder's flaws and he has them in abundance, he remains the most prodigious puncher in the division (albeit not the most correct) and if he were to nail Joshua as Klitschko did in the sixth, I'm sure he would not let him off the hook. (or should that be 'the straight right'?)

You can never write off Wilder because of his fearsome firepower but AJ is by far the better all round fighter and I feel the likelihood is that he will get to Wilder first and stop him.

When I think about this fight I think about what Joshua's jab will do to Wilder, keeping him off balance, actually hurting him with it, disrupting him. That makes me think of Bambi on Ice. Wilder will become Bambi on ice when they fight. Here's the clip. https://youtu.be/gSh1eLrxiqs

The bodybuilder is technically a little more sound than the basketballer, so i'd pick him. The basketballer is wild and unpredictable though so it could throw the stuff bodybuilder off.

Fun fight, first big shot that lands probably wins, although AJ has proven he has some ability to recover and find a second wind.

candyslim wrote:I've said a couple of times on here that I could see this being a carbon copy of the Martin fight with AJ's superior technique more likely to mean he would be first to land the big shots.

Having said that I think it more likely that the first few rounds will be extremely cagey with both conscious of the other's ability to end it quickly. Whatever Wilder's flaws and he has them in abundance, he remains the most prodigious puncher in the division (albeit not the most correct) and if he were to nail Joshua as Klitschko did in the sixth, I'm sure he would not let him off the hook. (or should that be 'the straight right'?)

You can never write off Wilder because of his fearsome firepower but AJ is by far the better all round fighter and I feel the likelihood is that he will get to Wilder first and stop him.

No way that this fight resembles the Martin/AJ fight. Martin was an absolute fish. He won the title because of an injury. Wilder has been protected and nursed obviously but I still think that he's the most dangerous boxer to AJ's belts. He's going to be the stiffest test for sure. AJ can be hurt. If a 41 year old guy can almost knock him out after almost 2 years of inactivity, I'm sure that Wilder could with 37 of 38 fights ending in KO.

The LAST thing that i want to see is for AJ to sign a fight with Fury. NO ONE over here in the states cares about that fight AT ALL. We all just wished that Fury would stay away and stop mucking up an exciting division with his dumb insertions into relevance.

i feel like AJ knocks him into next week. he just has to be careful of a few wide swings.

I think it should be made for this year. Then, we could have more than thoughts about it, and it could top off a great year of boxing.

I would favor AJ.

caldo2025 wrote:

candyslim wrote:I've said a couple of times on here that I could see this being a carbon copy of the Martin fight with AJ's superior technique more likely to mean he would be first to land the big shots.

Having said that I think it more likely that the first few rounds will be extremely cagey with both conscious of the other's ability to end it quickly. Whatever Wilder's flaws and he has them in abundance, he remains the most prodigious puncher in the division (albeit not the most correct) and if he were to nail Joshua as Klitschko did in the sixth, I'm sure he would not let him off the hook. (or should that be 'the straight right'?)

You can never write off Wilder because of his fearsome firepower but AJ is by far the better all round fighter and I feel the likelihood is that he will get to Wilder first and stop him.

No way that this fight resembles the Martin/AJ fight. Martin was an absolute fish. He won the title because of an injury. Wilder has been protected and nursed obviously but I still think that he's the most dangerous boxer to AJ's belts. He's going to be the stiffest test for sure. AJ can be hurt. If a 41 year old guy can almost knock him out after almost 2 years of inactivity, I'm sure that Wilder could with 37 of 38 fights ending in KO.

The LAST thing that i want to see is for AJ to sign a fight with Fury. NO ONE over here in the states cares about that fight AT ALL. We all just wished that Fury would stay away and stop mucking up an exciting division with his dumb insertions into relevance.

I agree he's the most dangerous but he does a lot wrong. Technically I don't think he's a huge improvement on Martin, the difference is he carries an equalizer in that right hand. He carries his hands low, is frequently off-balance, goes backward off his left foot ... etc. If Wilder isn't very careful he could find himself on the end of one of those right hand counters like those that put Martin on his arse, and I don't think Deontay has a particularly good chin from what I've seen.

Wilder's fought more fights and more rounds but he hasn't really beaten anyone has he? Stiverne? Well give him credit for the Arreola wins but other than that what else has he done ... gone the distance with Wilder? ... hmmm

Wilder simply doesn't deserve a shot, Wilder shouldn't skip Povetkin, Takam, Klitschko, Hughie, Pulev, and so on and straight away move to Joshua lol. That's rediculous, if I eat myself till I'm fat, or send a tall Dutch guy and then ask AJ for a bunch of millions it would be ridiculous as well.

asdfjkl wrote:Wilder simply doesn't deserve a shot, Wilder shouldn't skip Povetkin, Takam, Klitschko, Hughie, Pulev, and so on and straight away move to Joshua lol. That's rediculous, if I eat myself till I'm fat, or send a tall Dutch guy and then ask AJ for a bunch of millions it would be ridiculous as well.

Wilder's got a belt that Joshua might want - that's enough. He's also undefeated and would be a bigger name than anyone at heavyweight aside from Klitschko again or a returning Fury, which seems unlikely in the near future. That said, I'd certainly favour AJ to win.

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Wilder simply doesn't deserve a shot, Wilder shouldn't skip Povetkin, Takam, Klitschko, Hughie, Pulev, and so on and straight away move to Joshua lol. That's rediculous, if I eat myself till I'm fat, or send a tall Dutch guy and then ask AJ for a bunch of millions it would be ridiculous as well.

Wilder's got a belt that Joshua might want - that's enough. He's also undefeated and would be a bigger name than anyone at heavyweight aside from Klitschko again or a returning Fury, which seems unlikely in the near future. That said, I'd certainly favour AJ to win.

Oke, well then AJ could fight Briggs, or Parker, or actually try to keep his belts. TBH I don't really care about the belts, especially not about the WBC because only idiots try to get that one the latest few years.

Fury doesn't have any belt, Klitschko doesn't have any belt, Povetkin doesn't have any belt and Ortiz doesn't have any and those are simply the best 5 heavyweight boxers at this moment. Wilder had several chances to face Klitschko, but never took them, Wilder could have faced Povetkin piles of times, but only acted like he wanted to fight when he knew he had an excuse to avoid him, or his people managed to create an excuse to avoid him.
In other words, I would prefere it if AJ would fight Ortiz, Povetkin, or Klitschko again.

If Deontay Wilder adopts a strategy like the one he employed against Bermane Stiverne, whilst being more defensively sound, then he has the size, athleticism and fighting style to pose a serious challenge to Anthony Joshua. The American’s technique needs significant improvement for this to happen though.

Deontay has a pretty good engine and one of Joshua’s flaws relates to the fact that he’s too heavy, as his bulky physique depletes his stamina. AJ has already acknowledged this issue and will almost certainly lose weight for his next bout.

The thing is… Wilder does make mistakes and he can be hit flush. And unlike the journeymen that hurt him briefly, Anthony Joshua will put him to sleep if he manages to connect.

In terms of Deontay’s power, Anthony Joshua was only deeply troubled by Klitschko when he ran out of gas. He took a lot of punishment from Wladimir otherwise, but his chin withstood these blows. So I don’t feel that Wilder would be capable of stopping the Brit with a single shot, since I believe that AJ has already learned from his mistakes and will pace himself better in the future.

A fight between Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua would be competitive, but I’d expect the Brit to be the betting favourite for that bout. AJ probably wins by stoppage within the first six rounds.

caldo2025 wrote:

candyslim wrote:I've said a couple of times on here that I could see this being a carbon copy of the Martin fight with AJ's superior technique more likely to mean he would be first to land the big shots.

Having said that I think it more likely that the first few rounds will be extremely cagey with both conscious of the other's ability to end it quickly. Whatever Wilder's flaws and he has them in abundance, he remains the most prodigious puncher in the division (albeit not the most correct) and if he were to nail Joshua as Klitschko did in the sixth, I'm sure he would not let him off the hook. (or should that be 'the straight right'?)

You can never write off Wilder because of his fearsome firepower but AJ is by far the better all round fighter and I feel the likelihood is that he will get to Wilder first and stop him.

No way that this fight resembles the Martin/AJ fight. Martin was an absolute fish. He won the title because of an injury. Wilder has been protected and nursed obviously but I still think that he's the most dangerous boxer to AJ's belts. He's going to be the stiffest test for sure. AJ can be hurt. If a 41 year old guy can almost knock him out after almost 2 years of inactivity, I'm sure that Wilder could with 37 of 38 fights ending in KO.

The LAST thing that i want to see is for AJ to sign a fight with Fury. NO ONE over here in the states cares about that fight AT ALL. We all just wished that Fury would stay away and stop mucking up an exciting division with his dumb insertions into relevance.

Think about the punch that Wlad landed to put down Joshua...

The fact that wilder has 37/38 ko has nothing to do with it. Joshua was tiring and Wlad lined him up for a perfect straight right on the button. Wilder doesn't throw punches like that. So the comparison doesn't really hold weight.

- I doubt wilder has the ringcraft to frustrate Joshua for 5 before he's able to explode. Meaning Joshua is less likely to be fatigued from rounds and missing punches

- wilder could win this fight, but it's likely his stoppage punch is going to be a right hand from high and wide

- despite the Wlad fight, Joshua has shown himself to be the technically sounder imo and more dominant in dictating proceedings in a fight. This swings the likelihood of landing power shots his way

- both have been hurt, but the Joshua chin is more proven than Wilders imo

Joshua stops wilder within the first 6

asdfjkl wrote:Wilder simply doesn't deserve a shot, Wilder shouldn't skip Povetkin, Takam, Klitschko, Hughie, Pulev, and so on and straight away move to Joshua lol. That's rediculous, if I eat myself till I'm fat, or send a tall Dutch guy and then ask AJ for a bunch of millions it would be ridiculous as well.

He's wbc champion the fight makes sense

verlichte wrote:If Deontay Wilder adopts a strategy like the one he employed against Bermane Stiverne, whilst being more defensively sound, then he has the size, athleticism and fighting style to pose a serious challenge to Anthony Joshua. The American’s technique needs significant improvement for this to happen though.

Deontay has a pretty good engine and one of Joshua’s flaws relates to the fact that he’s too heavy, as his bulky physique depletes his stamina. AJ has already acknowledged this issue and will almost certainly lose weight for his next bout.

The thing is… Wilder does make mistakes and he can be hit flush. And unlike the journeymen that hurt him briefly, Anthony Joshua will put him to sleep if he manages to connect.

In terms of Deontay’s power, Anthony Joshua was only deeply troubled by Klitschko when he ran out of gas. He took a lot of punishment from Wladimir otherwise, but his chin withstood these blows. So I don’t feel that Wilder would be capable of stopping the Brit with a single shot, since I believe that AJ has already learned from his mistakes and will pace himself better in the future.

A fight between Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua would be competitive, but I’d expect the Brit to be the betting favourite for that bout. AJ probably wins by stoppage within the first six rounds.

I'm on the same page as you for a change

Ossyrules wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Wilder simply doesn't deserve a shot, Wilder shouldn't skip Povetkin, Takam, Klitschko, Hughie, Pulev, and so on and straight away move to Joshua lol. That's rediculous, if I eat myself till I'm fat, or send a tall Dutch guy and then ask AJ for a bunch of millions it would be ridiculous as well.

He's wbc champion the fight makes sense

I'd even prefere to see Briggs his WBA belt and if I were Joshua I would try to get that. But perhaps Wilder could try to get that belt as well, by risking his own belt, then the fight would make at least a bit more sense.

asdfjkl wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Wilder simply doesn't deserve a shot, Wilder shouldn't skip Povetkin, Takam, Klitschko, Hughie, Pulev, and so on and straight away move to Joshua lol. That's rediculous, if I eat myself till I'm fat, or send a tall Dutch guy and then ask AJ for a bunch of millions it would be ridiculous as well.

He's wbc champion the fight makes sense

I'd even prefere to see Briggs his WBA belt and if I were Joshua I would try to get that. But perhaps Wilder could try to get that belt as well, by risking his own belt, then the fight would make at least a bit more sense.

Congratulations on being the only person in the known universe besides Briggs who shares your opinion.

PEDvetkin v Briggs sounds about right.

AJ v Wilder would be a massive event.

Tanzio wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
He's wbc champion the fight makes sense

I'd even prefere to see Briggs his WBA belt and if I were Joshua I would try to get that. But perhaps Wilder could try to get that belt as well, by risking his own belt, then the fight would make at least a bit more sense.

Congratulations on being the only person in the known universe besides Briggs who shares your opinion.

PEDvetkin v Briggs sounds about right.

AJ v Wilder would be a massive event.

Lol, AJ vs Wilder would be a one way traffic walkover of about 5 rounds. Briggs and Povetkin would at least have a decent chin, both are higher skilled and have a better punch as well. Both fought and won against better boxers as anyone Wilder ever fought against, both are in better shape, both have far more experience, both have a far better chance against AJ and Wilder is running away scared of both (and not just them).

Gotta favor aj, wilder has a chance with anyone. Deontay is awkward, vulnerable & deadly. That's why he's fun to watch. It's pretty easy to envision him beating or losing to virtually any decent heavyweight.

If reports are true that AJ against Fury has been agreed for April 2018 , at Wembley stadium in the U.K. then you can forget AJ Wilder. Nothing will be allowed to risk scuppering a AJ Fury fight, so expect AJ to fight a fringe top 10 guy and Fury to have two low key tune ups before facing a mediocre top 15 type opponent.

Wales wrote:If reports are true that AJ against Fury has been agreed for April 2018 , at Wembley stadium in the U.K. then you can forget AJ Wilder. Nothing will be allowed to risk scuppering a AJ Fury fight, so expect AJ to fight a fringe top 10 guy and Fury to have two low key tune ups before facing a mediocre top 15 type opponent.

You think fury is going to fight 4 times from right now til April? I'd bet against that.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Wales wrote:If reports are true that AJ against Fury has been agreed for April 2018 , at Wembley stadium in the U.K. then you can forget AJ Wilder. Nothing will be allowed to risk scuppering a AJ Fury fight, so expect AJ to fight a fringe top 10 guy and Fury to have two low key tune ups before facing a mediocre top 15 type opponent.

You think fury is going to fight 4 times from right now til April? I'd bet against that.

Reports are April '18 been agreed.
Fury will clearly fight a no-mark on July 8th, whether he makes 2 more outings or one after that is irrelevant.
my point is neither AJ or Fury will be risked by their promoters prior to a fight next April if true it's been agreed.

Reports are it has: and Wembley has been booked ...

Wales wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Wales wrote:If reports are true that AJ against Fury has been agreed for April 2018 , at Wembley stadium in the U.K. then you can forget AJ Wilder. Nothing will be allowed to risk scuppering a AJ Fury fight, so expect AJ to fight a fringe top 10 guy and Fury to have two low key tune ups before facing a mediocre top 15 type opponent.

You think fury is going to fight 4 times from right now til April? I'd bet against that.

Reports are April '18 been agreed.
Fury will clearly fight a no-mark on July 8th, whether he makes 2 more outings or one after that is irrelevant.
my point is neither AJ or Fury will be risked by their promoters prior to a fight next April if true it's been agreed.

Reports are it has: and Wembley has been booked ...

I understood your point, no way in hell fury fights 4 times in 9 months. Sorry for not knowing it was irrelevant when I read it in your post.

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