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go figure - but don't fret, he met his obligation and found time to bleed in the 3rd - then 'enry ended the fight with his best punch.

January 24th 1962

Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

Kalan wrote:Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

Cooper was 'knocked out ' four times, a body shot from JOE Bygraves, and three right hooks from Johansson, Patterson and Folley. The other defeats were cut eyes and points decisions.
Henry's manager Jim Wicks DID say Cooper would never fight Liston implying he was too dangerous but I'm not convinced that was the real reason. I suspect that Wicks' was very aware of who backed Liston and wanted no part of them.
( see Henry Cooper: Cut Eyes and Left Hooks).

gp. wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

gp. wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

yeah,sounds like some more revisionistic fake news.
"Those who control the past,control the future"

George Orwell (at least I think it was anyways)

dalcumly wrote:Cooper was 'knocked out ' four times, a body shot from JOE Bygraves, and three right hooks from Johansson, Patterson and Folley. The other defeats were cut eyes and points decisions.
Henry's manager Jim Wicks DID say Cooper would never fight Liston implying he was too dangerous but I'm not convinced that was the real reason. I suspect that Wicks' was very aware of who backed Liston and wanted no part of them.
( see Henry Cooper: Cut Eyes and Left Hooks).

All correct, Henry was never knocked out eight times. And I never heard him lapse into an American impersonating an Englishman.

Too ugly the Bishop's usual phrase was wasn't it. Just as well whatever the reason, it would have been painful for Henry. As for Chuvalo it would have taken a faultless display of boxing over 15 rounds, but he was capable of it.

gp. wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

Henry was pretty straight laced but used regular jargon... He wasn't some pristine choir boy who never used the word butt or spit on the sidewalk.

Flump wrote:

dalcumly wrote:Cooper was 'knocked out ' four times, a body shot from JOE Bygraves, and three right hooks from Johansson, Patterson and Folley. The other defeats were cut eyes and points decisions.
Henry's manager Jim Wicks DID say Cooper would never fight Liston implying he was too dangerous but I'm not convinced that was the real reason. I suspect that Wicks' was very aware of who backed Liston and wanted no part of them.
( see Henry Cooper: Cut Eyes and Left Hooks).

All correct, Henry was never knocked out eight times. And I never heard him lapse into an American impersonating an Englishman.

Too ugly the Bishop's usual phrase was wasn't it. Just as well whatever the reason, it would have been painful for Henry. As for Chuvalo it would have taken a faultless display of boxing over 15 rounds, but he was capable of it.

If you look at Coopers record he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times... Knocked out is a term that originated with Boxing.. It doesn't mean knocked unconscious.. It means knocked out of the fight... Punches knocked you, cut you, or otherwise damaged you so that you couldn't continue.

Kalan wrote:

gp. wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

Henry was pretty straight laced but used regular jargon... He wasn't some pristine choir boy who never used the word butt or spit on the sidewalk.

You made that quote up didn't you.

Kalan wrote:

Flump wrote:

dalcumly wrote:Cooper was 'knocked out ' four times, a body shot from JOE Bygraves, and three right hooks from Johansson, Patterson and Folley. The other defeats were cut eyes and points decisions.
Henry's manager Jim Wicks DID say Cooper would never fight Liston implying he was too dangerous but I'm not convinced that was the real reason. I suspect that Wicks' was very aware of who backed Liston and wanted no part of them.
( see Henry Cooper: Cut Eyes and Left Hooks).

All correct, Henry was never knocked out eight times. And I never heard him lapse into an American impersonating an Englishman.

Too ugly the Bishop's usual phrase was wasn't it. Just as well whatever the reason, it would have been painful for Henry. As for Chuvalo it would have taken a faultless display of boxing over 15 rounds, but he was capable of it.

If you look at Coopers record he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times... Knocked out is a term that originated with Boxing.. It doesn't mean knocked unconscious.. It means knocked out of the fight... Punches knocked you, cut you, or otherwise damaged you so that you couldn't continue.

Right. So, for example, Lennox Lewis knocked out Vitali Klitschko, by your way of thinking?

If cuts are caused by foul blows...the first 2 rights Lewis threw in the 3rd were the foul blows that did all the damage...the fight goes to the scorecards.

Klitschko wins Unanimous Technical Decision 6... is the way it would have been decided if a partisan referee wasn't involved.

dalcumly wrote:Cooper was 'knocked out ' four times, a body shot from JOE Bygraves, and three right hooks from Johansson, Patterson and Folley. The other defeats were cut eyes and points decisions.
Henry's manager Jim Wicks DID say Cooper would never fight Liston implying he was too dangerous but I'm not convinced that was the real reason. I suspect that Wicks' was very aware of who backed Liston and wanted no part of them.
( see Henry Cooper: Cut Eyes and Left Hooks).

Henry Cooper admits in his 1971 autobiography that he wanted no part of Liston, that Liston was all wrong for him. How can you not know this, when you wrote a book about Cooper!?

Kalan wrote:

gp. wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

Henry was pretty straight laced but used regular jargon... He wasn't some pristine choir boy who never used the word butt or spit on the sidewalk.

Note how Boxbuzz's Kalan invention makes up quotes exactly as Il Duce did. They're all Buzz, sadly. A tragic man with an enormous amount of time on his hands.

Kalan wrote:If cuts are caused by foul blows...the first 2 rights Lewis threw in the 3rd were the foul blows that did all the damage...the fight goes to the scorecards.

Klitschko wins Unanimous Technical Decision 6... is the way it would have been decided if a partisan referee wasn't involved.

So if we look at Klitschko's record, (and after all looking at fighters records on boxrec is where all of your knowledge comes from) we'll see that Vitali Klitschko was, by your own words, knocked out by Lennox Lewis. Thanks for coming.

Flump wrote:

Kalan wrote:If cuts are caused by foul blows...the first 2 rights Lewis threw in the 3rd were the foul blows that did all the damage...the fight goes to the scorecards.

Klitschko wins Unanimous Technical Decision 6... is the way it would have been decided if a partisan referee wasn't involved.

So if we look at Klitschko's record, (and after all looking at fighters records on boxrec is where all of your knowledge comes from) we'll see that Vitali Klitschko was, by your own words, knocked out by Lennox Lewis. Thanks for coming.

The official record is where you get all your knowledge from... Which means you have no knowledge at all... In that case you believe Bradley beat Pacquiao and Holyfield drew with Lewis... Shows how weak your brain is... Thank you for not commenting further because you're not a person who thinks.

Kalan wrote:

gp. wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

Henry was pretty straight laced but used regular jargon... He wasn't some pristine choir boy who never used the word butt or spit on the sidewalk.

He would have said "arse", you monumental cock. He might well have said "f***ing arse". "Butt" doesn't mean "arse" in the UK. Especially not to a Londoner born in the 1930s.

Kalan wrote:

Flump wrote:

Kalan wrote:If cuts are caused by foul blows...the first 2 rights Lewis threw in the 3rd were the foul blows that did all the damage...the fight goes to the scorecards.

Klitschko wins Unanimous Technical Decision 6... is the way it would have been decided if a partisan referee wasn't involved.

So if we look at Klitschko's record, (and after all looking at fighters records on boxrec is where all of your knowledge comes from) we'll see that Vitali Klitschko was, by your own words, knocked out by Lennox Lewis. Thanks for coming.

The official record is where you get all your knowledge from... Which means you have no knowledge at all... In that case you believe Bradley beat Pacquiao and Holyfield drew with Lewis... Shows how weak your brain is... Thank you for not commenting further because you're not a person who thinks.

You know ordinarily in this situation I would draw your attention back to the inconsistencies in your logic, or even make you look stupid with some smartarse remark, but in your case, I'll just let you speak for yourself....

Tuan Jim

Just to clarify. Wicks said when speaking to the press that he wouldn't let Henry anywhere near that 'big mahogany wardrobe ' probably a bit racist in this modern politically correct world.
Henry may well have said ( in his ghosted autobiography) in 1971 that Liston was all wrong for him, but have you ever heard of a manager saying publicly that his number three contender couldn't face the number one contender (Liston) , because he was too big/ good/ dangerous?
This is why I believe that the shrewd old manager was simply trying to avoid having to deal with Listons backers. Wicks was well known for getting his words mixed up and I'm not convinced his statement came out the way he meant. By the way Cooper said often during his lifetime that he'd fight anybody his manager put him in with.
By the way I've read all previous Cooper biographies/autobiographies and made several references to them.

"By the way Cooper said often during his lifetime that he'd fight anybody his manager put him in with"

Except Sonny Liston..

Henry was pretty frank about saying he didn't think it would be a real good match-up.. And you know what that means.. It's like when an interviewer suggested that Alexis Arguello fight Roberto Duran.. AA laughed and said, "Are you trying to get me killed?"

Cus D'Amato and Floyd Patterson felt the same way about Sonny... Patterson finally said he had an obligation to fight the best contender "Whether I can beat him or not." ... and I swear the following is true... Cassius Clay was reciting a lot of poetry and Liston gave a little poem on crushing Patterson.. The press asked Patterson if he had a poem about how the Liston fight would go.. Floyd thought for a bit and said "I won't go down -- in the first round.. How's that?"

Flump wrote:

Kalan wrote:If cuts are caused by foul blows...the first 2 rights Lewis threw in the 3rd were the foul blows that did all the damage...the fight goes to the scorecards.

Klitschko wins Unanimous Technical Decision 6... is the way it would have been decided if a partisan referee wasn't involved.

So if we look at Klitschko's record, (and after all looking at fighters records on boxrec is where all of your knowledge comes from) we'll see that Vitali Klitschko was, by your own words, knocked out by Lennox Lewis. Thanks for coming.

I remember the night an out of shape Lewis battered and knocked out a peak vitali. Byrd knocked him out too.

Kalan wrote:

gp. wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cooper was an amazing guy... Though he was beaten 14 times and knocked out 8 times he just kept fighting... He was often accused of ducking George Chuvalo and admitted he had no intention of fighting Sonny Liston... "Liston? Sorry mate. I'm no match for him. I get my butt beaten enough without asking for it."

There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

Henry was pretty straight laced but used regular jargon... He wasn't some pristine choir boy who never used the word butt or spit on the sidewalk.

Oh aye, Henry used 'regular language' all the time. He was known to frequent drive in movies, eat in 'diners' and always voted Democrat. It's a little known fact that he was born and bred in Hot Springs, Arkansas. He was adopted by the British and given the name 'Our 'Enery' because we felt sorry for him being robbed of victory by the ruthless Angie 'glove splitter' Dundee.

Cooper would never have said the words 'knocked on my butt'

He may have said arse, but not butt.

Which means kalan is pulling another fabricated quote out of his 'butt'

Tomasino wrote:

Kalan wrote:

gp. wrote:
There is no way on earth that Henry Cooper ever used the word "butt" unless he was referring to a barrel of water or a rifle.

Henry was pretty straight laced but used regular jargon... He wasn't some pristine choir boy who never used the word butt or spit on the sidewalk.

Oh aye, Henry used 'regular language' all the time. He was known to frequent drive in movies, eat in 'diners' and always voted Democrat. It's a little known fact that he was born and bred in Hot Springs, Arkansas. He was adopted by the British and given the name 'Our 'Enery' because we felt sorry for him being robbed of victory by the ruthless Angie 'glove splitter' Dundee.

Kalan delivered Cooper, he's also a doctor.