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Just this weekend, in the space of 2 days, we got:

- A german mafioso deciding to expand his shady business into boxing, and getting Afolabi to prostitute himself

- The gambling Yakuzas robbing blind their own olympic gold medallist

- The Dirrel thugs once again faking their way to victory, then nearly putting a fighter in hospital or under 2 feet by sucker punching him, in front of millions.

Aren't we experiencing a wonderful sporting era or what?

Optimistic outlook.

Its a business first sport second no question.

crow wrote:Just this weekend, in the space of 2 days, we got:

- A german mafioso deciding to expand his shady business into boxing, and getting Afolabi to prostitute himself

- The gambling Yakuzas robbing blind their own olympic gold medallist

- The Dirrel thugs once again faking their way to victory, then nearly putting a fighter in hospital or under 2 feet by sucker punching him, in front of millions.

Aren't we experiencing a wonderful sporting era or what?

It has actually been one of the best weekends of boxing of the year.

- While my card disagreed with the official split decision for N'Dam, Murata has only himself to blame. He gave away too many rounds and he left far too many very close rounds to the judges. It was a close fight because Murata did not do enough, and N'Dam is a seasoned pro who kept himself in it. Murata was far from busy enough for this to be claimed to be a robbery.

- Uzcategui put himself in position to get DQed by getting warned for a very late power shot earlier in the fight as well as punching late in one other round before the eighth round DQ. It was a shame because Uzcategui was fighting well. I really like his style. The fight was decent and Uzcategui looked to be surging.

- We saw a number of really good young pros in action. GTank club Liam Walsh into submission impressively. Jorge Lara is back in action. David Benavidez had a coming out party, sending a clear message to the SMW division. Austin Dalay got a Mexican wake up call.

- Barthelemy v Relikh was a good, competitive, interesting fight that ended with poor cards. Relikh deserves a rematch that he will unlikely ever see. Barthelemy is a tough, awkward puzzle though. I would like to see Felix Diaz v either of these two.

- Hitman Jr absolutely put on a masterclass v Felix Diaz. It was not as competitive as I thought it could be. Diaz arguably could have gotten the decision v Peterson. Hitman Jr belongs at the top of the p4p list. And he basically called out anyone and everyone.

- TRex Jr was not as impressive v Escandon, imo. He dominated but he took far too many shots. He basically called out the entire feather and super feather divisions, including claiming that he will ktfo Lomassiah twice before he retires.

- fight of the weekend was Benavidez v Medina, imo. Benavidez appears to be something special at just 20 years old!!

Don't forget Barthelemew "beating" Relikh.

boxing_rocks wrote:Don't forget Barthelemew "beating" Relikh.

Very poor scorecards across the board, although it was a very close fight. Relikh deserved better.

. . . and stuck on the buttend of my recording of Benavidez v Medina I find a great little 6 rounder between undefeateds White and Lopez that was an absolute war between two big feather kids at 19 and 21. Really quality fight. White looked good in round one then Lopez took over in a real war but White showed real toughness in staying in there.

Boxing is alive and getting very healthy. Great weekend of a great year so far. Rumors of the death of PBC are premature.

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- Hitman Jr absolutely put on a masterclass v Felix Diaz. It was not as competitive as I thought it could be. Diaz arguably could have gotten the decision v Peterson. Hitman Jr belongs at the top of the p4p list. And he basically called out anyone and everyone.

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100% agree Crawford is the #1 p4p boxer on the planet today.
Really don't see anyone close to him in this regard

Agreed, I've had Crawford #1 since Floyd retired and he keeps getting better. I believe the second best fighter will be in action next week.

Crawford isn't #1. I put him above Lomachenko because his win last win was very good, and he arguably has a better resume than Lomachenko right now. Still, Gonzalez, Kovalev, Ward are way ahead of Crawford. Lomachenko is on even terms and if he moves up and beats a credible opponent I'd put him back above Crawford.

Mexi-Box wrote:Crawford isn't #1. I put him above Lomachenko because his win last win was very good, and he arguably has a better resume than Lomachenko right now. Still, Gonzalez, Kovalev, Ward are way ahead of Crawford. Lomachenko is on even terms and if he moves up and beats a credible opponent I'd put him back above Crawford.

There is no right or wrong with p4p. His resume isn't as vast as others, but if you're telling me that size being equal Crawford has no chance with anyone I'd call you nuts.

crow wrote:Just this weekend, in the space of 2 days, we got:

- A german mafioso deciding to expand his shady business into boxing, and getting Afolabi to prostitute himself

- The gambling Yakuzas robbing blind their own olympic gold medallist

- The Dirrel thugs once again faking their way to victory, then nearly putting a fighter in hospital or under 2 feet by sucker punching him, in front of millions.

Aren't we experiencing a wonderful sporting era or what?

I don't care about ANY of that.. That's noise I ignore.. Gary Russell is one of the best fighters in the world and finally got to ply his trade again.

Russell has been kicked down stairs because he would destroy Santa Cruz and Frampton.. And Terence Crawford is one of the best fighters in the world and he got to do what he does -- and also call out Pacquiao.. Thurman.. and Spence.. Obviously Pacquiao isn't going to fight ANY of those guys -- but fights between Spence, Brook, Crawford, and Thurman will eventually light up Boxing -- because those guys are willing to fight.. Then we got to see a new kid, Gervonta Davis destroy Liam Walsh -- so if you don't think that's a lot of happenings for a Sport or a global business for one night -- then you're batz.. Frankly, I've never seen Boxing with the global possibilities it has right now.. Another global sport like Boxing doesn't exist.

I mean... I follow Tennis... but since the days of John McEnroe, Jimmy Connors, and Bjorn Borg, there haven't been any personalities in Tennis. And Golf???? Since the days of Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus, Golf hasn't had any fascinating rivalries.. Everyone's an automaton these days. They're great athletes but nobody cares.. Boxing is the only individual sport left and there's a massive void out there to fill.

Kalan wrote:

crow wrote:Just this weekend, in the space of 2 days, we got:

- A german mafioso deciding to expand his shady business into boxing, and getting Afolabi to prostitute himself

- The gambling Yakuzas robbing blind their own olympic gold medallist

- The Dirrel thugs once again faking their way to victory, then nearly putting a fighter in hospital or under 2 feet by sucker punching him, in front of millions.

Aren't we experiencing a wonderful sporting era or what?

I don't care about ANY of that.. That's noise I ignore.. Gary Russell is one of the best fighters in the world and finally got to ply his trade again.

Russell has been kicked down stairs because he would destroy Santa Cruz and Frampton.. And Terence Crawford is one of the best fighters in the world and he got to do what he does -- and also call out Pacquiao.. Thurman.. and Spence.. Obviously Pacquiao isn't going to fight ANY of those guys -- but fights between Spence, Brook, Crawford, and Thurman will eventually light up Boxing -- because those guys are willing to fight.. Then we got to see a new kid, Gervonta Davis destroy Liam Walsh -- so if you don't think that's a lot of happenings for a Sport or a global business for one night -- then you're batz.. Frankly, I've never seen Boxing with the global possibilities it has right now.. Another global sport like Boxing doesn't exist.

I mean... I follow Tennis... but since the days of John McEnroe, Jimmy Connors, and Bjorn Borg, there haven't been any personalities in Tennis. And Golf???? Since the days of Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus, Golf hasn't had any fascinating rivalries.. Everyone's an automaton these days. They're great athletes but nobody cares.. Boxing is the only individual sport left and there's a massive void out there to fill.

Wtf are you talking about? TRex Jr was taking serious incoming from a dude my wife's size. Be serious.

You're so full... Russell was unmarked... He put on a massive drama show and was never hurt, staggered, or dropped ... or even seriously rocked.

Plus he got rid of the clown early... What more can you ask for????????

Kalan wrote:You're so full... Russell was unmarked... He put on a massive drama show and was never hurt, staggered, or dropped ... or even seriously rocked.

Plus he got rid of the clown early... What more can you ask for????????

Didn't get marked? Is that why they put that Game of Thrones mask on his ass for a face after the fight?

Ogido vs Heno had some funny business too, Heno announced as the winner (MD), before a scoring mistake was see. One judge,and only one, had 2 rounds scored 10-8, no other judge had any 10-8 rounds

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Agreed, I've had Crawford #1 since Floyd retired and he keeps getting better. I believe the second best fighter will be in action next week.

Although I dont necessarily agree that Crawford is #1 P4P I wont dispute it because a claim can be made.

But I'm puzzled by who you are calling #2...Spence? Stevenson?

Lol..Afolabi is back? Barely a year since he wrote that retirement letter.

Best Coast wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Agreed, I've had Crawford #1 since Floyd retired and he keeps getting better. I believe the second best fighter will be in action next week.

Although I dont necessarily agree that Crawford is #1 P4P I wont dispute it because a claim can be made.

But I'm puzzled by who you are calling #2...Spence? Stevenson?

Who do you think he means???? Spence of course ... And don't bring up Chickenson without using his proper name.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:Crawford isn't #1. I put him above Lomachenko because his win last win was very good, and he arguably has a better resume than Lomachenko right now. Still, Gonzalez, Kovalev, Ward are way ahead of Crawford. Lomachenko is on even terms and if he moves up and beats a credible opponent I'd put him back above Crawford.

There is no right or wrong with p4p. His resume isn't as vast as others, but if you're telling me that size being equal Crawford has no chance with anyone I'd call you nuts.

I don't think this forum really knows how to develop p4p lists well.

Best Coast wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Agreed, I've had Crawford #1 since Floyd retired and he keeps getting better. I believe the second best fighter will be in action next week.

Although I dont necessarily agree that Crawford is #1 P4P I wont dispute it because a claim can be made.

But I'm puzzled by who you are calling #2...Spence? Stevenson?

Spence

Mexi-Box wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:Crawford isn't #1. I put him above Lomachenko because his win last win was very good, and he arguably has a better resume than Lomachenko right now. Still, Gonzalez, Kovalev, Ward are way ahead of Crawford. Lomachenko is on even terms and if he moves up and beats a credible opponent I'd put him back above Crawford.

There is no right or wrong with p4p. His resume isn't as vast as others, but if you're telling me that size being equal Crawford has no chance with anyone I'd call you nuts.

I don't think this forum really knows how to develop p4p lists well.

Anybody that puts much thought into it has a bigger issue managing their time.

Anybody who thinks that there is a "right way" to do p4p lists may need to be checked for OCD.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: There is no right or wrong with p4p. His resume isn't as vast as others, but if you're telling me that size being equal Crawford has no chance with anyone I'd call you nuts.

I don't think this forum really knows how to develop p4p lists well.

Anybody that puts much thought into it has a bigger issue managing their time.

Okay, log off this forum then because no one will take your posts seriously from now on. It takes you a long time to form a coherent thought. I was arguing with an absolute butt-for-brains.

I guess you've just given me permission to completely ignore any comment you make and chalk it up to you being an utter idiot that doesn't know anything about boxing.

boxing_rocks wrote:Anybody who thinks that there is a "right way" to do p4p lists may need to be checked for OCD.

No, it's called knowing something about boxing. This forum is filled with casuals.