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These 2 are most impressive boxers in sport today IMO. The way how they handling top oposition.
Crawford: Burns, Gamboa, Beltran, Dulorme, Jean, Lundy, Postol, Molina and now Diaz
Lomachenko: Russell, Martinez, Walters, Sosa

What is next to these 2?

Crawford: Fight Indongo as soon as possible to collect all belts. Defend belts against Barthelemy then move to 147,
Lomachenko: Get at least 2 fights at 130 before set up megafight with Mikey Garcia in 135. Fight with Gervonta Davis should be very nice

You're forgetting Mikey Garcia who had been killing the competition pre-retirement and just eased his way to a dominant win against a very good fighter post

Mexi-Box wrote:You're forgetting Mikey Garcia who had been killing the competition pre-retirement and just eased his way to a dominant win against a very good fighter post

We should definitely NOT count Garcia out of the picture. He can give Lomachenko major problems but IMO neither one has a great chance to beat Crawford, who enjoys too much height and reach advantage, not to mention his speed & mobility.

Both Loma and Mikey are the same size as Diaz and although I dont see Terence toying with either of them the way he did Diaz, I dont see either one overcoming Crawford's size/speed advantages.

IMO Garcia vs Loma would be much more competitive that either of them vs Crawford.

Best Coast wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:You're forgetting Mikey Garcia who had been killing the competition pre-retirement and just eased his way to a dominant win against a very good fighter post

We should definitely NOT count Garcia out of the picture. He can give Lomachenko major problems but IMO neither one has a great chance to beat Crawford, who enjoys too much height and reach advantage, not to mention his speed & mobility.

Both Loma and Mikey are the same size as Diaz and although I dont see Terence toying with either of them the way he did Diaz, I dont see either one overcoming Crawford's size/speed advantages.

IMO Garcia vs Loma would be much more competitive that either of them vs Crawford.

Crawford doesn't have speed advantage over Loma. He would win due to his size/reach and power advantage.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Best Coast wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:You're forgetting Mikey Garcia who had been killing the competition pre-retirement and just eased his way to a dominant win against a very good fighter post

We should definitely NOT count Garcia out of the picture. He can give Lomachenko major problems but IMO neither one has a great chance to beat Crawford, who enjoys too much height and reach advantage, not to mention his speed & mobility.

Both Loma and Mikey are the same size as Diaz and although I dont see Terence toying with either of them the way he did Diaz, I dont see either one overcoming Crawford's size/speed advantages.

IMO Garcia vs Loma would be much more competitive that either of them vs Crawford.

Crawford doesn't have speed advantage over Loma. He would win due to his size/reach and power advantage.

While Loma might match Crawford's hand speed he cant match his mobility on his feet.

Do you really think Crawford has much of a power edge over Loma? I see them as pretty close in that area...neither one has real one-punch KO power, though Terence's power seems to be improving as he moves up in weight.

Best Coast wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:You're forgetting Mikey Garcia who had been killing the competition pre-retirement and just eased his way to a dominant win against a very good fighter post

We should definitely NOT count Garcia out of the picture. He can give Lomachenko major problems but IMO neither one has a great chance to beat Crawford, who enjoys too much height and reach advantage, not to mention his speed & mobility.

Both Loma and Mikey are the same size as Diaz and although I dont see Terence toying with either of them the way he did Diaz, I dont see either one overcoming Crawford's size/speed advantages.

IMO Garcia vs Loma would be much more competitive that either of them vs Crawford.

Diaz is significantly larger than Loma. Agreed that Crawford beats those guys.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Best Coast wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:You're forgetting Mikey Garcia who had been killing the competition pre-retirement and just eased his way to a dominant win against a very good fighter post

We should definitely NOT count Garcia out of the picture. He can give Lomachenko major problems but IMO neither one has a great chance to beat Crawford, who enjoys too much height and reach advantage, not to mention his speed & mobility.

Both Loma and Mikey are the same size as Diaz and although I dont see Terence toying with either of them the way he did Diaz, I dont see either one overcoming Crawford's size/speed advantages.

IMO Garcia vs Loma would be much more competitive that either of them vs Crawford.

Diaz is significantly larger than Loma. Agreed that Crawford beats those guys.

Diaz is larger in weight but has no height advantage and very little reach edge on Loma. Felix is 5' 5 1/2" with 67" reach & 140 pounds. Loma is 5' 6" with 65 1/2" reach at 130 pounds

Don't see much of a challenge for either. Too bad there's not much left around them to really shine. Both are riding atop shitty weightclasses.

Crawford is too big for Lomo. They're both top p4p fighters but its probably not a fair fight considering their respective sizes.

Lomo vs Mikey Garcia is the best fight to be made down there. Crawford will be tangling with the studs at 147 in due time.

Not sure who Lomo is supposed to fight once he fights Garcia.

Best Coast wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Best Coast wrote: We should definitely NOT count Garcia out of the picture. He can give Lomachenko major problems but IMO neither one has a great chance to beat Crawford, who enjoys too much height and reach advantage, not to mention his speed & mobility.

Both Loma and Mikey are the same size as Diaz and although I dont see Terence toying with either of them the way he did Diaz, I dont see either one overcoming Crawford's size/speed advantages.

IMO Garcia vs Loma would be much more competitive that either of them vs Crawford.

Diaz is significantly larger than Loma. Agreed that Crawford beats those guys.

Diaz is larger in weight but has no height advantage and very little reach edge on Loma. Felix is 5' 5 1/2" with 67" reach & 140 pounds. Loma is 5' 6" with 65 1/2" reach at 130 pounds

Forget heights. Diaz was over 160 lbs against Crawford. He's got broad shoulders. It looks like you need to get inside against Crawford and make it ugly. Not sure Lomo will have a ton of a success making it ugly against Crawford. Lomo prefers to box. Against a bigger, stronger guy who boxes beautifully from range it's not a stylistically good fight for Lomo. Aside from a guy like Spence who is just so damn good, a guy who would be a tough style match for Crawford is a guy like Shawn Porter who powers inside and roughs you up. Crawford is a better boxer than Porter but Porter is a bull in a china shop and employs his style in every fight.

Crawford and lomas paths are some way off crossing

One guy has noises he's close to going up to 147

The other is at super featherweight.

There's a lot of weight between that.

Garcia vs Loma is the fight. Garcia has a real good shot at beating Loma as well

Cent0089 wrote:These 2 are most impressive boxers in sport today IMO. The way how they handling top oposition.
Crawford: Burns, Gamboa, Beltran, Dulorme, Jean, Lundy, Postol, Molina and now Diaz
Lomachenko: Russell, Martinez, Walters, Sosa

What is next to these 2?

Crawford: Fight Indongo as soon as possible to collect all belts. Defend belts against Barthelemy then move to 147,
Lomachenko: Get at least 2 fights at 130 before set up megafight with Mikey Garcia in 135. Fight with Gervonta Davis should be very nice

There's NO way that Garcia agrees to fight Lomanchenko. Aside from the fact that Garcia hates Bob Arum and Top Rank, he's a cherry picker. Garcia will continue fighting fringe fighters that happen to have belts. I love his talent but he's another guy that is just into collecting trinkets the easiest way possible.

Crawford and Loma need to move up a weight class if they want bigger purses and tougher fights. I bet Crawford gathers the other 2 belts with one more fight at 140 and then moves up. Loma has some great fights that could be made at 130 still but the other 2 young champs with names in the division are too young to sign on to fight him.

I bet Garcia doesn't even fight Linares, which would be a great fight IMO. He'll probably fight Flanagan and grab that other belt because it's the easiest way to get a second belt. Garcia has won 3 titles in 3 weight divisions right? Take a look at his 36 fights he's had. I see 2 names that ring a bell. Lopez and Salido. The rest? No idea.

Garcia gets schooled by Loma & he knows it

Best Coast wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Best Coast wrote: We should definitely NOT count Garcia out of the picture. He can give Lomachenko major problems but IMO neither one has a great chance to beat Crawford, who enjoys too much height and reach advantage, not to mention his speed & mobility.

Both Loma and Mikey are the same size as Diaz and although I dont see Terence toying with either of them the way he did Diaz, I dont see either one overcoming Crawford's size/speed advantages.

IMO Garcia vs Loma would be much more competitive that either of them vs Crawford.

Diaz is significantly larger than Loma. Agreed that Crawford beats those guys.

Diaz is larger in weight but has no height advantage and very little reach edge on Loma. Felix is 5' 5 1/2" with 67" reach & 140 pounds. Loma is 5' 6" with 65 1/2" reach at 130 pounds

Fair enough, drop the significant. Still bigger.

Crawford-Garcia at 140 or Garcia-Lomachenko at 135 would be competitive fights. Crawford is too big for Lomachenko.

ValMar wrote:Crawford-Garcia at 140 or Garcia-Lomachenko at 135 would be competitive fights. Crawford is too big for Lomachenko.

I agree Garcia-Loma would be competitive, much to the surprise of many who dont think so.

IMO Crawford-Mikey Garcia would be less than that but not a domination like Terence had with Postol & Diaz.

diddy wrote:Crawford is too big for Lomo. They're both top p4p fighters but its probably not a fair fight considering their respective sizes.

Lomo vs Mikey Garcia is the best fight to be made down there. Crawford will be tangling with the studs at 147 in due time.

Not sure who Lomo is supposed to fight once he fights Garcia.

Agree with all the above...when Loma moves to 135 it makes sense he would fight the best at that weight, which is Garcia (though some might say Linares).

caldo2025 wrote:I bet Garcia doesn't even fight Linares, which would be a great fight IMO. He'll probably fight Flanagan and grab that other belt because it's the easiest way to get a second belt. Garcia has won 3 titles in 3 weight divisions right? Take a look at his 36 fights he's had. I see 2 names that ring a bell. Lopez and Salido. The rest? No idea.

Beg to differ..Lopez & Salido might be the biggest NAMES on Garcia's ledger but I'll take Mikey's last 5 showings over Linares' any day of the week...
http://boxrec.com/boxer/371746
Last 5 for Linares: W12 Crolla, W12 Crolla, KO6 Ivan Cano, KO10 Kevin Mitchell, KO4 Javier Prieto > Cano & Prieto are total scrubs & Jorge looked terrible in the 1st Crolla match

http://boxrec.com/boxer/364679
Last 5 for Garcia: KO3 Zlaticanin, KO5 Elio Rojas, W12 JC Burgos, KO8 Rocky Martinez, KO4 Juanma Lopez > Solid credentials compared to Linares' last 5

Best Coast wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I bet Garcia doesn't even fight Linares, which would be a great fight IMO. He'll probably fight Flanagan and grab that other belt because it's the easiest way to get a second belt. Garcia has won 3 titles in 3 weight divisions right? Take a look at his 36 fights he's had. I see 2 names that ring a bell. Lopez and Salido. The rest? No idea.

Beg to differ..Lopez & Salido might be the biggest NAMES on Garcia's ledger but I'll take Mikey's last 5 showings over Linares' any day of the week...
http://boxrec.com/boxer/371746
Last 5 for Linares: W12 Crolla, W12 Crolla, KO6 Ivan Cano, KO10 Kevin Mitchell, KO4 Javier Prieto > Cano & Prieto are total scrubs & Jorge looked terrible in the 1st Crolla match

http://boxrec.com/boxer/364679
Last 5 for Garcia: KO3 Zlaticanin, KO5 Elio Rojas, W12 JC Burgos, KO8 Rocky Martinez, KO4 Juanma Lopez > Solid credentials compared to Linares' last 5

The point that I was trying to make is that for a fighter that just won titles in 3 different weight divisions, you would think that he'd have an assortment of big time names on it. People make fun of Broner's 4 division titles and perhaps rightfully so but at least Broner has some huge names on his record even though he lost those fights.

I think that Mikey's toughest opponent at 135 is Linares and it would be the most lucrative fight for him as well. So if Mikey chooses Easter or Flanagan instead then he's clearly a cherry picker imo.

caldo2025 wrote:

Best Coast wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I bet Garcia doesn't even fight Linares, which would be a great fight IMO. He'll probably fight Flanagan and grab that other belt because it's the easiest way to get a second belt. Garcia has won 3 titles in 3 weight divisions right? Take a look at his 36 fights he's had. I see 2 names that ring a bell. Lopez and Salido. The rest? No idea.

Beg to differ..Lopez & Salido might be the biggest NAMES on Garcia's ledger but I'll take Mikey's last 5 showings over Linares' any day of the week...
http://boxrec.com/boxer/371746
Last 5 for Linares: W12 Crolla, W12 Crolla, KO6 Ivan Cano, KO10 Kevin Mitchell, KO4 Javier Prieto > Cano & Prieto are total scrubs & Jorge looked terrible in the 1st Crolla match

http://boxrec.com/boxer/364679
Last 5 for Garcia: KO3 Zlaticanin, KO5 Elio Rojas, W12 JC Burgos, KO8 Rocky Martinez, KO4 Juanma Lopez > Solid credentials compared to Linares' last 5

The point that I was trying to make is that for a fighter that just won titles in 3 different weight divisions, you would think that he'd have an assortment of big time names on it. People make fun of Broner's 4 division titles and perhaps rightfully so but at least Broner has some huge names on his record even though he lost those fights.

I think that Mikey's toughest opponent at 135 is Linares and it would be the most lucrative fight for him as well. So if Mikey chooses Easter or Flanagan instead then he's clearly a cherry picker imo.

Mikey is a much better boxer and puncher than Broner -- I don't care who fought the bigger names.. Broner got well beaten up by Maidana -- a guy who is very easy to hit, lost to Amir Khan, and was routed by Devon Alexander.. Broner got well out-boxed by Shawn Porter who he weight drained. He fouled his ass off to stay in that fight. Nothing but grabbing and wrestling all the way. I don't respect Broner or his boxing ability and I certainly don't see him as 1 of the better technicians in Boxing. He was lucky to have fought very weak "Champions" and pick up very cheap World Titles. He's one of the cheap products of Al Haymon.