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Finally a true expert says the truth: The current modern heavyweights are "just as good" as the heavyweights of the Ali era. IT's ABOUT TIME!!! http://spam.com/2017/05/21/fore ... s-ali-era/

Joseph Parker would have wiped the floor with Ali.

Is Big George talking about grills again?

Grills have improved too... Cars.. Fighter Jets.. Battleships.. Swimmers.. Sprinters.. Boxers.. Twerkers.. what have you.. They all do it better today

Kalan wrote:Grills have improved too... Cars.. Fighter Jets.. Battleships.. Swimmers.. Sprinters.. Boxers.. Twerkers.. what have you.. They all do it better today

Ali would still bewilder the vast majority of cruisers and HWs, to this minute.

Ali would bewilder them with how feather light he hit (couldn't even hurt chinny Ken Norton) and how easy he was to beat.

Kalan wrote:Ali would bewilder them with how feather light he hit (couldn't even hurt chinny Ken Norton) and how easy he was to beat.

Dream on. The best are the best from any era.

Kalan wrote:Grills have improved too... Cars.. Fighter Jets.. Battleships.. Swimmers.. Sprinters.. Boxers.. Twerkers.. what have you.. They all do it better today

Just not true

Kalan wrote:Ali would bewilder them with how feather light he hit (couldn't even hurt chinny Ken Norton) and how easy he was to beat.

Hi Kalan,

I noticed you said you used to compete as a Heavyweight. Do you have some connection to Ali, perhaps you sparred or fought someone who sparred one of Ali's sparring partners or some such. What was your record? I notice that you like to exaggerate fighters. For example, you said Anthony Joshua was a defensive genius in the realm of mayweather and Whitaker prior to his fight with Wlad. Also it seems you are exaggerating how easy it was to beat Ali and how "feather fisted" he was. When you fought, did you often overestimate and then at times underestimate your opponents. Did you find yourself being outsmarted In the ring more times than not?

Please answer.

Ricky_ wrote:Joseph Parker would have wiped the floor with Ali.

What an absolute idiotic thing to say. Do you even know boxing at all???

lazboy wrote:

Kalan wrote:Ali would bewilder them with how feather light he hit (couldn't even hurt chinny Ken Norton) and how easy he was to beat.

Hi Kalan,

I noticed you said you used to compete as a Heavyweight. Do you have some connection to Ali, perhaps you sparred or fought someone who sparred one of Ali's sparring partners or some such. What was your record? I notice that you like to exaggerate fighters. For example, you said Anthony Joshua was a defensive genius in the realm of mayweather and Whitaker prior to his fight with Wlad. Also it seems you are exaggerating how easy it was to beat Ali and how "feather fisted" he was. When you fought, did you often overestimate and then at times underestimate your opponents. Did you find yourself being outsmarted In the ring more times than not?

Please answer.

Kalan has never boxed. He'll also be insulted that you dated compare Whitaker's weak defensive skills in the same breath as Joshua.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lazboy wrote:

Kalan wrote:Ali would bewilder them with how feather light he hit (couldn't even hurt chinny Ken Norton) and how easy he was to beat.

Hi Kalan,

I noticed you said you used to compete as a Heavyweight. Do you have some connection to Ali, perhaps you sparred or fought someone who sparred one of Ali's sparring partners or some such. What was your record? I notice that you like to exaggerate fighters. For example, you said Anthony Joshua was a defensive genius in the realm of mayweather and Whitaker prior to his fight with Wlad. Also it seems you are exaggerating how easy it was to beat Ali and how "feather fisted" he was. When you fought, did you often overestimate and then at times underestimate your opponents. Did you find yourself being outsmarted In the ring more times than not?

Please answer.

Kalan has never boxed. He'll also be insulted that you dated compare Whitaker's weak defensive skills in the same breath as Joshua.

In my minds eye I see Kalan as a rather small balding man. He used to frequent a dilapidated boxing gym, an amateur stable with maybe one of two notable amateur fighters throughout the years, holding state titles at the most. He would often be seen in the corner of the training sparring ring, watching, sometimes holding water. He would also volunteer to hold the pads, this was his favourite activity until he grew tired and brought up a long sustaining back injury. He was not an owner but paid money to do these things. You could often see him talking and advising those new to the gym, whether they be children or adults. He was by far the most talkative individual but his voice was quite and he did not interfere with the real trainer/s. He often had trouble making eye contact, especially with some of the boxers who were excelling. Eventually the gym closed and Kalan felt that a part of him had been lost, his real family at this stage had long been estranged. He begun to drink and discovered Boxrec....That's as far as I'll go for now. The rest is history.

Could be spot on. I think he's 16.

Today's CWs would probably fare better. Most HWs are too stiff, and that goes for any era.

lazboy wrote:

Kalan wrote:Ali would bewilder them with how feather light he hit (couldn't even hurt chinny Ken Norton) and how easy he was to beat.

Hi Kalan,

I noticed you said you used to compete as a Heavyweight. Do you have some connection to Ali, perhaps you sparred or fought someone who sparred one of Ali's sparring partners or some such. What was your record? I notice that you like to exaggerate fighters. For example, you said Anthony Joshua was a defensive genius in the realm of mayweather and Whitaker prior to his fight with Wlad. Also it seems you are exaggerating how easy it was to beat Ali and how "feather fisted" he was. When you fought, did you often overestimate and then at times underestimate your opponents. Did you find yourself being outsmarted In the ring more times than not?

Please answer.

I both sparred and fought guys who sparred and fought Ali. Also knocked them down and out and wasn't decked myself -- or ever hurt or in trouble on those occasions. I could hit. That's what they all said. You're misquoting my comments. I never claimed Joshua was a defensive genius.. I never said AJ matched Mayweather defensively.. I have little regard for Whitaker's skills.. I do feel Whitaker was much more effective defensively than Meldrick Taylor.. PW won 10 rounds off Chavez.. I had Chavez beating Taylor all the way by inflicting more damage with fewer but more effective punches.. I would have pulled Taylor out before the final round.. Effective punches should score better than they do.. I good punch can end your year.

It would be unusual for a boxer to defend on the scale of a Mayweather if he has 19 professional fights.. My comment was, Joshua ducks and slips punches better than Ali did and doesn't pull back from punches.. doesn't lay on the ropes.. and doesn't get riddled with head shots like Ali did. Mayweather never had those defensive liabilities. I don't like to compare Joshua with Welterweights. He's the best Heavyweight so far.

The Klitschko fight will make Joshua a better defender. He got suckered into that right and he'll figure out how that happened, because he's somebody who's interested in advancing his skills as fast as possible. The only guy who's a threat to beat Joshua is Ortiz. He has vast experience and numerous ways to hurt aggressive Heavyweights ... and he's 3 years younger than Klitschko so it would be good to wait him out a while longer.

montrealsuper wrote:George Foreman says modern hwts "just as good" as Ali eras

I hate to say this, but some of the heavyweights of the modern era would likely possess the capability of defeating the best heavyweights competing forty years or so ago, due to them being much bigger (several inches taller & 40lbs+ heavier), coupled with sporting advances in modern training techniques, medications and nutrition.

What I’ve said is obviously controversial in nature, since nostalgia compels many people to perceive the golden age of heavyweight boxing (which is the 1970’s) through rose-tinted glasses, with the fighters that competed during that era universally regarded as immortal demigods, but if you’re able to consider the situation objectively, then my stance cannot possibly be considered as unreasonable.

Fights were 15 rounds when I first started watching fights, and I see heavyweights getting gased after 5-6 rounds at the B level and some of the A level modern fighters.
Dunno what that is all about.
I love George, I'm proud to admit. He can say whatever he wants, he's earned it.

In other 'expert' news, Mike Tyson thinks the best opponent for Joshua would be Mike Perez.

montrealsuper wrote:Finally a true expert says the truth: The current modern heavyweights are "just as good" as the heavyweights of the Ali era. IT's ABOUT TIME!!! http://spam.com/2017/05/21/fore ... s-ali-era/

George Foreman has a long track record of talking absolute twaddle.

I always said it and got non positiv answers, but now an atg says it and everybody is quiet.

verlichte wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:George Foreman says modern hwts "just as good" as Ali eras

I hate to say this, but some of the heavyweights of the modern era would likely possess the capability of defeating the best heavyweights competing forty years or so ago, due to them being much bigger (several inches taller & 40lbs+ heavier), coupled with sporting advances in modern training techniques, medications and nutrition.

What I’ve said is obviously controversial in nature, since nostalgia compels many people to perceive the golden age of heavyweight boxing (which is the 1970’s) through rose-tinted glasses, with the fighters that competed during that era universally regarded as immortal demigods, but if you’re able to consider the situation objectively, then my stance cannot possibly be considered as unreasonable.

Big guys have poorer stamina generally, and are also less mobile.

People forget, Ali was still a big guy, he just wasn't musclebound.

It's not nostaliga, look at the shots ali took from murderous punchers in his time. He was as tough a man as there's been in a boxing ring. Toughness is one of the most important qualities.

I've not seen a single one of these behemoths, who I'd have picked over Ali, and I include Lewis in that.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lazboy wrote:

Kalan wrote:Ali would bewilder them with how feather light he hit (couldn't even hurt chinny Ken Norton) and how easy he was to beat.

Hi Kalan,

I noticed you said you used to compete as a Heavyweight. Do you have some connection to Ali, perhaps you sparred or fought someone who sparred one of Ali's sparring partners or some such. What was your record? I notice that you like to exaggerate fighters. For example, you said Anthony Joshua was a defensive genius in the realm of mayweather and Whitaker prior to his fight with Wlad. Also it seems you are exaggerating how easy it was to beat Ali and how "feather fisted" he was. When you fought, did you often overestimate and then at times underestimate your opponents. Did you find yourself being outsmarted In the ring more times than not?

Please answer.

Kalan has never boxed. He'll also be insulted that you dated compare Whitaker's weak defensive skills in the same breath as Joshua.

Kalan is the only man in the world to have met John L Sullivan as a baby.

ldlamb wrote:

Kalan wrote:Grills have improved too... Cars.. Fighter Jets.. Battleships.. Swimmers.. Sprinters.. Boxers.. Twerkers.. what have you.. They all do it better today

Just not true

total and utter balls in fact.

Liston. Ali. Patterson. Frazier.
Joshua. Klitschko. Ortiz. Povetkin.

To be honest, i see no difference. In terms of skills.

Ali better than joshua.
Klitschko better than liston.
Ortiz better than frazier.
Patterson better than povetkin.

Jip wrote:Liston. Ali. Patterson. Frazier.
Joshua. Klitschko. Ortiz. Povetkin.

To be honest, i see no difference. In terms of skills.

Ali better than joshua.
Klitschko better than liston.
Ortiz better than frazier.
Patterson better than povetkin.

Povetkin is the only one with a prayer.