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Americans seem to be hyping up one of their young fighters, Gervonta Davis. Well, then, step up to the plate and let's find out how good he is.

If he's really that good why isn't he fighting the "main man" in his weight class Vasyl Lomachenko? Lomachenko just destroyed Nicholas Walters in a fight that was two top, in their prime top-15 P4Per's, and Lomachenko is likely the #1 P4P fighter in the sport.

Gervonta's promoter Floyd Mayweather, when asked if Davis would fight Lomachenko said "no". That really says it all right there folks. His own team doesn't have the confidence in him to fight the best in his weight class. In other words, he's not interested in that fight right now, or probably ever. Another fighter that will cherry pick his shots and genuinely avoid a risky fight.

And we all know Lomachenko easily KO's Davis. Lomachenko would win every round and KO Gervonta Davis in 1 or 2 rounds. He's way too fast, clever, and accurate for Davis. He'd make Davis look piss-poor and amateurish. Quite frankly, I think even Nicholas Walters, who Lomachenko TKO'd would KO Davis.

Fans should boycott boxers like Davis who literally admit to not wanting to fight the best in their class. I mean, thats pretty pathetic when his own team is saying "no, our intention is not to fight the best". His fights shouldnt even be televised if thats the case. I know I wont watch any of his fights.

Sure, Loma would dominate Davis NOW, but Gervonta is only 22 with 18 pro fights and limited amateur experience. Gervonta was barely 18 when he turned pro after winning the 2012 Golden Gloves Nationals at 17 against much older, more experienced fighters.

If Gervonta continues to improve the possibility of facing Loma in 4-5 years is not out of the question. By then Davis would be 27 and Loma would be 34 and might have lost a step or 2 by then. Loma Mayweather is not stupid enough to think his fighter would be competitive with Loma any time soon.

As for your ridiculous call for a boycott against a talented young up-and-comer like Davis, it is nothing less than clownish haterism:

Fans should boycott boxers like Davis who literally admit to not wanting to fight the best in their class. I mean, thats pretty pathetic when his own team is saying "no, our intention is not to fight the best". His fights shouldnt even be televised if thats the case.

The kid is 22 yrs old for F sake. Let him grow before tossing him in with the best fighter in the sport. Davis needs to blast out some more dudes on HBO and Showtime and let that fight build into the big money fight it could become. It's too early for Davis. He's still a baby.

diddy wrote:The kid is 22 yrs old for F sake. Let him grow before tossing him in with the best fighter in the sport.

He'll never be high enough in weight for Crawford.

diddy wrote:The kid is 22 yrs old for F sake. Let him grow before tossing him in with the best fighter in the sport. Davis needs to blast out some more dudes on HBO and Showtime and let that fight build into the big money fight it could become. It's too early for Davis. He's still a baby.

Absolutely true!! The first top-notch fighter Davis beat was Jose Pedraza in his 17th bout and Walsh was a step down from him.

Give the kid some time...

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

diddy wrote:The kid is 22 yrs old for F sake. Let him grow before tossing him in with the best fighter in the sport.

He'll never be high enough in weight for Crawford.

Crawford is gonna be at 147 within 2 yrs.

It appears as though Gervonta Davis might not even be on Vasyl Lomachenko’s radar.

The Ukrainian is likely to engage in a rematch against Orlando Salido in August prior to making the jump to 135lbs before the end of the year, because there are much bigger fish to fry in the higher weight class.

We also know that Floyd Mayweather Jr. intends to allow the 22 year old Gervonta Davis to gain experience prior to considering matching him against a pound-for-pounder, like Lomachenko, that is approaching 30 years of age, which is not an unreasonable stance to take.

Therefore, I really think it’s utterly pointless to discuss the imaginary outcome of a fight of this nature that will never take place in reality.

gervonta "tank" davis goes around calling himself "super featherweight world champion" the champion should fight the best not "another tune up" truth be told both floyd junior and tank are deathly afraid of slavic fighters and just like the axman could not take that kind of beating

First off, I don't think that there's a boxer on the planet at 130 pounds that could dominate Gervonta Davis so that claim is utter nonsense. Anyone that knows Boxing and watched this kids last two fights knows that he's got skills that could give anyone in the world trouble at 130.

Second, the kid's s young and he has the biggest dodger in the history of the sport managing him like a doting parent. He won't fight Lomanchenko until he's old a feeble. Davis would destroy Salido even at this age so he's well ahead of where Loma was PROFESSIONALLY at this stage.

I'd love to see them fight too but this is why I worry about Floyd gaining a good stable of boxers. He could single handedly ruin boxing AGAIN if given the chance.

skinnysteve wrote:gervonta "tank" davis goes around calling himself "super featherweight world champion" the champion should fight the best not "another tune up" truth be told both floyd junior and tank are deathly afraid of slavic fighters and just like the axman could not take that kind of beating

Here we go again with the everyone on Earth fears the the slavic super humans shtick.

I agree that if you call yourself the world champion you should be willing to fight anyone at that weight.

But, shouldn't your name be "skinnyhead?"

caldo2025 wrote:First off, I don't think that there's a boxer on the planet at 130 pounds that could dominate Gervonta Davis so that claim is utter nonsense. Anyone that knows Boxing and watched this kids last two fights knows that he's got skills that could give anyone in the world trouble at 130.

Second, the kid's s young and he has the biggest dodger in the history of the sport managing him like a doting parent. He won't fight Lomanchenko until he's old a feeble. Davis would destroy Salido even at this age so he's well ahead of where Loma was PROFESSIONALLY at this stage.

I'd love to see them fight too but this is why I worry about Floyd gaining a good stable of boxers. He could single handedly ruin boxing AGAIN if given the chance.

Lomachenko dominates Davis. Davis is too wild. And what's with you casuals saying someone should be given time to grow? Davis holds a title. He should be fighting the best.

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:First off, I don't think that there's a boxer on the planet at 130 pounds that could dominate Gervonta Davis so that claim is utter nonsense. Anyone that knows Boxing and watched this kids last two fights knows that he's got skills that could give anyone in the world trouble at 130.

Second, the kid's s young and he has the biggest dodger in the history of the sport managing him like a doting parent. He won't fight Lomanchenko until he's old a feeble. Davis would destroy Salido even at this age so he's well ahead of where Loma was PROFESSIONALLY at this stage.

I'd love to see them fight too but this is why I worry about Floyd gaining a good stable of boxers. He could single handedly ruin boxing AGAIN if given the chance.

Lomachenko dominates Davis. Davis is too wild. And what's with you casuals saying someone should be given time to grow? Davis holds a title. He should be fighting the best.

There’s a flip side to what you’re suggesting.

You could alternatively ask the reason why a top-six pound-for-pounder prefers to face an aging opponent like Orlando Salido that has failed to win his last three bouts, with his most recent victory gained almost three years ago, rather than face an up-and-coming 22 year old young lion and fellow world champion like Gervonta Davis?

What does Vasyl Lomachenko hope to achieve by defeating a past-his-prime opponent like Orlando Salido, other than gaining revenge for incurring a highly-dubious loss? Even Lomachenko admits that facing "Salido is a step backwards" and that he's only doing so because of his promoter.

The proverbial A-side (Bob Arum and Vasyl Lomachenko) has never attempted to make a fight with Gervonta Davis, so why place the blame solely on the shoulders of the 22 year old B-side that is still learning his trade by facing tough but outclassed veterans like Jose Pedraza and Liam Walsh?

Aren’t the pound-for-pound elite supposed to attempt to unify the divisions that they compete in?

I’m not suggesting that this stance is correct, since I intentionally adopted the polar opposite approach to your extreme viewpoint to illustrate the fact that there are always two sides to every story.

Oh, the Eastern-Euro-phobic bastard is using EO user again.

boxing_rocks wrote:Oh, the Eastern-Euro-phobic bastard is using EO user again.

There is absolutely no evidence of me holding anti-Eastern European sentiments. You'll never be able to prove it.

However, this is plenty of evidence that an ignorant fúckíng cúnt like you assuming that the entire Western world is anti-Russian.

In fact, you even proved on multiple occasions that you didn’t even understand the meaning of the word “racist”.

You're one of the worst racist móthérfúckérs that frequents this forum.

So it took lomachencko 9 rounds to stop Jason sosa, but he will be able to knock out davis in one or two?

Davis will mayweather Lomachenko forever and ever and ever. Davis will be fraudulized with handpicked patsies for years and years while fancily packaged as something special. Gullible idiot fans who believe Floyd and Wilder are special will buy into the fraud and worship their fraud hero Why the F*** would you expect anything otherwise with Floyd Fraudweather and Al Haymon involved in this kid's career??? They are the preeminent experts on how to fabricate and manufacture a fraud pretender. They f***** up on Broner but they won't screw it up with Davis because they have nothing else.

Davis is very fast, flashy, and powerful. That has a lot of people thinking he is better than he actually is. The fundamentals of a Garcia or Loma would make easy work of this kid at this point in time. However, a few more years may prove a different story. Or we may and up with another Zab Judah. Only time will tell.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:First off, I don't think that there's a boxer on the planet at 130 pounds that could dominate Gervonta Davis so that claim is utter nonsense. Anyone that knows Boxing and watched this kids last two fights knows that he's got skills that could give anyone in the world trouble at 130.

Second, the kid's s young and he has the biggest dodger in the history of the sport managing him like a doting parent. He won't fight Lomanchenko until he's old a feeble. Davis would destroy Salido even at this age so he's well ahead of where Loma was PROFESSIONALLY at this stage.

I'd love to see them fight too but this is why I worry about Floyd gaining a good stable of boxers. He could single handedly ruin boxing AGAIN if given the chance.

Lomachenko dominates Davis. Davis is too wild. And what's with you casuals saying someone should be given time to grow? Davis holds a title. He should be fighting the best.

There’s a flip side to what you’re suggesting.

You could alternatively ask the reason why a top-six pound-for-pounder prefers to face an aging opponent like Orlando Salido that has failed to win his last three bouts, with his most recent victory gained almost three years ago, rather than face an up-and-coming 22 year old young lion and fellow world champion like Gervonta Davis?

What does Vasyl Lomachenko hope to achieve by defeating a past-his-prime opponent like Orlando Salido, other than gaining revenge for incurring a highly-dubious loss? Even Lomachenko admits that facing "Salido is a step backwards" and that he's only doing so because of his promoter.

The proverbial A-side (Bob Arum and Vasyl Lomachenko) has never attempted to make a fight with Gervonta Davis, so why place the blame solely on the shoulders of the 22 year old B-side that is still learning his trade by facing tough but outclassed veterans like Jose Pedraza and Liam Walsh?

Aren’t the pound-for-pound elite supposed to attempt to unify the divisions that they compete in?

I’m not suggesting that this stance is correct, since I intentionally adopted the polar opposite approach to your extreme viewpoint to illustrate the fact that there are always two sides to every story.

Salido is aging, but he's still a top fighter. He could arguably be considered the winner in the Vargas fight. Lomachenko avenging his loss is a good thing as Salido is still a top fighter in the division.

Lomachenko has always been trying to unify the division he's in. He just did against Sosa and is now avenging his sole loss. I'm not hating on Davis, but he needs to fight someone with a pulse next. Walsh was absolutely horrific.

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:First off, I don't think that there's a boxer on the planet at 130 pounds that could dominate Gervonta Davis so that claim is utter nonsense. Anyone that knows Boxing and watched this kids last two fights knows that he's got skills that could give anyone in the world trouble at 130.

Second, the kid's s young and he has the biggest dodger in the history of the sport managing him like a doting parent. He won't fight Lomanchenko until he's old a feeble. Davis would destroy Salido even at this age so he's well ahead of where Loma was PROFESSIONALLY at this stage.

I'd love to see them fight too but this is why I worry about Floyd gaining a good stable of boxers. He could single handedly ruin boxing AGAIN if given the chance.

Lomachenko dominates Davis. Davis is too wild. And what's with you casuals saying someone should be given time to grow? Davis holds a title. He should be fighting the best.

Casuals? Casuals?! Get the f*ck outta here.

diddy wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:First off, I don't think that there's a boxer on the planet at 130 pounds that could dominate Gervonta Davis so that claim is utter nonsense. Anyone that knows Boxing and watched this kids last two fights knows that he's got skills that could give anyone in the world trouble at 130.

Second, the kid's s young and he has the biggest dodger in the history of the sport managing him like a doting parent. He won't fight Lomanchenko until he's old a feeble. Davis would destroy Salido even at this age so he's well ahead of where Loma was PROFESSIONALLY at this stage.

I'd love to see them fight too but this is why I worry about Floyd gaining a good stable of boxers. He could single handedly ruin boxing AGAIN if given the chance.

Lomachenko dominates Davis. Davis is too wild. And what's with you casuals saying someone should be given time to grow? Davis holds a title. He should be fighting the best.

Casuals? Casuals?! Get the f*ck outta here.

Go cry about it.

Davis is a good fighter, Loma a great one

Davis has plenty time to grow, but Loma would beat him, fantastic talent

diddy wrote:The kid is 22 yrs old for F sake. Let him grow before tossing him in with the best fighter in the sport. Davis needs to blast out some more dudes on HBO and Showtime and let that fight build into the big money fight it could become. It's too early for Davis. He's still a baby.

Agreed....he's not ready for Loma yet though he holds a title. One of the problems with pro boxing with too many titles. Tank can fight and with more experience he be able to hang with anyone.
As for the comment above from somebody else that Tank has limited amateur experience....that is wrong. Tank has been boxing since he was 8 and won multiple national titles in the Silver gloves and other US tournaments. He had little to no international experience especially on the senior amateur level since he turned pro at a young age. Loma as we all know won two Olympic Golds and over 300 amateur fights. Tank had over 100 am fights. I've had boxers spar against him since he was 12.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

diddy wrote:The kid is 22 yrs old for F sake. Let him grow before tossing him in with the best fighter in the sport.

He'll never be high enough in weight for Crawford.

You can't say that... Vinny Pazienza was another short and stubby guy. He fought Greg Haugen for the Lightweight Title when he was 25. He knocked out Pat Lawlor in a Light Heavyweight fight when he was 38. He wasn't a better fighter, but he was a bigger one.

There's 3 categories kids fall into:

1. Some kids like Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon don't grow hardly at all.. 2. Some kids, like Jimmy Ellis, grow throughout their 20's.. 3. Some dudes like Duran and Toney don't actually grow that much -- but they get real tired of training down to their ideal fighting weight.. Although they don't look very trim or fit when they fight they continue to be effective -- and maybe win World Titles at much higher and flabbier weights than you would ever expect them to.

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

diddy wrote:The kid is 22 yrs old for F sake. Let him grow before tossing him in with the best fighter in the sport.

He'll never be high enough in weight for Crawford.

You can't say that... Vinny Pazienza was another short and stubby guy. He fought Greg Haugen for the Lightweight Title when he was 25. He knocked out Pat Lawlor in a Light Heavyweight fight when he was 38. He wasn't a better fighter, but he was a bigger one.

There's 3 categories kids fall into:

1. Some kids like Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon don't grow hardly at all.. 2. Some kids, like Jimmy Ellis, grow throughout their 20's.. 3. Some dudes like Duran and Toney don't actually grow that much -- but they get real tired of training down to their ideal fighting weight.. Although they don't look very trim or fit when they fight they continue to be effective -- and maybe win World Titles at much higher and flabbier weights than you would ever expect them to.

I thought I read he had closer to 250 fights that's a fair bit of experience

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:First off, I don't think that there's a boxer on the planet at 130 pounds that could dominate Gervonta Davis so that claim is utter nonsense. Anyone that knows Boxing and watched this kids last two fights knows that he's got skills that could give anyone in the world trouble at 130.

Second, the kid's s young and he has the biggest dodger in the history of the sport managing him like a doting parent. He won't fight Lomanchenko until he's old a feeble. Davis would destroy Salido even at this age so he's well ahead of where Loma was PROFESSIONALLY at this stage.

I'd love to see them fight too but this is why I worry about Floyd gaining a good stable of boxers. He could single handedly ruin boxing AGAIN if given the chance.

Lomachenko dominates Davis. Davis is too wild. And what's with you casuals saying someone should be given time to grow? Davis holds a title. He should be fighting the best.

Oh i agree completely with you. Titleholders shouldn't have the option to gradually step up in competition. I also believe that once you own the strap, you cut the crap. But my point was more directed at Floyd's vision and the way he conducted business (i.e. never facing a #1 contender while owning a title). Floyd is going to do the same exact thing with Davis now. He even said as much in the post fight interview. He clearly said that Lomanchenko was not in plans for a while. Why Not? It would be an amazing fight.