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Wilder is a hoax who only sells mildly in Tuscaloosa. Wilder is a fancily packaged media hyped protected fraud...

GL: Is there no way around that with an exception so the unification can happen first?

BA: "No because economically it's better off to do Fury and then maybe Joshua. Wilder is a nice guy, but he doesn't bring anything to the table. He doesn't bring any money to the table. Not like these English guys do. What do you do with a Wilder fight? You can't put it on PPV so it goes on regular television and it's not going to do a huge gate."

GL: Maybe if you and Al Haymon found the right deal the fight could be on a major network like Fox or NBC.

BA: "But there's no gelt there. There's more gelt in England. In other words, if it's unification you're going to have to compensate Wilder and you're going to have to compensate my guy and there's not enough money."

GL: Wilder doesn't bring anything to the table. That's interesting.

BA: "It's not that he doesn't bring anything to the table. He doesn't bring enough to the table, not for another champion. The Wilder-Joshua fight would be interesting, but only in the UK. It wouldn't be huge in the United States, but in the UK it would do big business."

There is absolutely zero chance Haymon will send his fraud Wilder to England to be slaughtered by Joshua. Wilder will lie and say he is interested but his actions will prove otherwise. Wilder will try to piggyback off Joshua's fame and popularity for the next 3-4 years.

i think WILDER will fight AJ in ENGLAND---it's probably the most cash right now.

montrealsuper wrote:There is absolutely zero chance Haymon will send his fraud Wilder to England to be slaughtered by Joshua. Wilder will lie and say he is interested but his actions will prove otherwise. Wilder will try to piggyback off Joshua's fame and popularity for the next 3-4 years.

That is ridiculous. Even if you think Joshua destroys him, the amount of money that wilder would make would make it worthwhile x10. Ultimate cash out and that is if he loses.

Other than ANdy Ruiz (I think) does Arum even have a named heavyweight?

He is Parker's co promoter.

jockpunk wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:There is absolutely zero chance Haymon will send his fraud Wilder to England to be slaughtered by Joshua. Wilder will lie and say he is interested but his actions will prove otherwise. Wilder will try to piggyback off Joshua's fame and popularity for the next 3-4 years.

That is ridiculous. Even if you think Joshua destroys him, the amount of money that wilder would make would make it worthwhile x10. Ultimate cash out and that is if he loses.

Then Wilder is done. Haymon looks at the LONG TERm revenues stream, Greed to steal as much as he can. Haymon will stretch out Wilder for at least five years before he's sacrificed to Joshua. And EVERY SINGLE one of Wilder's fights will continue to be fixed. The title of the Wilder biography: "How to fabricate a fake fraud counterfeit pretender heavyweight belholder"

I sense you don't like wilder. I could be wrong, I'm just picking up some vibes with my spidey senses

montrealsuper wrote:There is absolutely zero chance Haymon will send his fraud Wilder to England to be slaughtered by Joshua. Wilder will lie and say he is interested but his actions will prove otherwise. Wilder will try to piggyback off Joshua's fame and popularity for the next 3-4 years.

He's been pampered and overprotected for years. No way will he fight in England and get KOed, not for any money.

It's strange that Arum does not even mention Parker Vs Wilder.
It's something only he can put together. Wilder winning that is the only result that pays him returns long term.
Maybe he doesn't see Wilder beating Parker?
I would put it as Wilder's biggest test so far, maybe a step too high?
Neither boxer has faced what most would call high level opponents.
A loss by either would be a major setback for Arum, as I am not sure fighting their way back to a belt (and bringing in the $$$) would be easy.

Freedom2013 wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:There is absolutely zero chance Haymon will send his fraud Wilder to England to be slaughtered by Joshua. Wilder will lie and say he is interested but his actions will prove otherwise. Wilder will try to piggyback off Joshua's fame and popularity for the next 3-4 years.

He's been pampered and overprotected for years. No way will he fight in England and get KOed, not for any money.

I used to think that but I'm not sure now, reckons he could get a gtd $20m for that, probably have to fight 10 bin men to make that.

KiwiRider wrote:It's strange that Arum does not even mention Parker Vs Wilder.
It's something only he can put together. Wilder winning that is the only result that pays him returns long term.
Maybe he doesn't see Wilder beating Parker?
I would put it as Wilder's biggest test so far, maybe a step too high?
Neither boxer has faced what most would call high level opponents.
A loss by either would be a major setback for Arum, as I am not sure fighting their way back to a belt (and bringing in the $$$) would be easy.

no $ in wilder vs parker - bob said it's not big enough for ppv and there just is no $ to do it on a network - the big $ fights are in UK - wilder and haymon dont want parker anyway they want more handpicked fixed patsies like stiverne and duplassis and arreola and washington who know they are supposed to lose

KiwiRider wrote:It's strange that Arum does not even mention Parker Vs Wilder.
It's something only he can put together. Wilder winning that is the only result that pays him returns long term.
Maybe he doesn't see Wilder beating Parker?
I would put it as Wilder's biggest test so far, maybe a step too high?
Neither boxer has faced what most would call high level opponents.
A loss by either would be a major setback for Arum, as I am not sure fighting their way back to a belt (and bringing in the $$$) would be easy.

No point talking about a fight that will never happen. Bum squad will never fight a live opponent. Haymon will feed him bums until he possibly can, before feeding him to Joshua for big UK cash.

montrealsuper wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:It's strange that Arum does not even mention Parker Vs Wilder.
It's something only he can put together. Wilder winning that is the only result that pays him returns long term.
Maybe he doesn't see Wilder beating Parker?
I would put it as Wilder's biggest test so far, maybe a step too high?
Neither boxer has faced what most would call high level opponents.
A loss by either would be a major setback for Arum, as I am not sure fighting their way back to a belt (and bringing in the $$$) would be easy.

no $ in wilder vs parker - bob said it's not big enough for ppv and there just is no $ to do it on a network - the big $ fights are in UK - wilder and haymon dont want parker anyway they want more handpicked fixed patsies like stiverne and duplassis and arreola and washington who know they are supposed to lose

No money in Wilder fighting bums in Alabama in front of 5,500 people either
Wilder Vs Parker would generate money because if the unification factor and the fact that both fighters have solid fan bases that are salivating to see each face decent opponents.
If the fight was in New Zealand they would get 20,000 bums on seats, which is 4 times Wilders last crowd and it would be PPV here. So Arum saying there is no money is a joke

No gaurantees that Wilder and Parker would sell 20k seats - that is a pipe dream. Wilder is a known fraud and can not be counted on to sell big against anyone except vs Joshua or Klitschko which would be Wilder piggybacking on superstar backs.

I watch Wilders fights hoping someone is going to beat him. Washington was winning rounds until the inevitable happened.
I'm sure I am not alone in this.
Also, don't underestimate Parker's fans. He has 3 groups of support
1, New Zealanders
2, Samoans
3, Jehovah Witness
He is as big, if not bigger than AJ is in the UK in NZ and Samoa.
He fought in Samoa and it was like Ali going through small villages in the lead up to Rumble in the Jungle

Wilder may lack technique but he has speed, athleticism and most of all power. This gives him a very real chance against anyone, Joshua or whoever. I'd make AJ the favourite, but Wilder is his biggest threat, at least until Tyson Fury gets his act together.

I don't believe that Wilder is avoiding Joshua, quite the opposite. He will give plausible reasons why he hasn't faced a top contender ... Klitschko has never been available due to other commitments, Fury likewise, Ortiz was juicing, Povetkin too and Parker doesn't want to fight him, not really.

I do think Wilder, or at least those who have an interest in him, are quite risk-averse. They recognize that while he has a decent chance of beating literally anyone, he is also vulnerable to any top tier heavyweight, even though he would be odds on to beat most of them,

With this in mind a match against Klitschko, Ortiz, Povetkin or Parker is an unattractive risk because none of them are guaranteed wins, and none of them make Wilder his fortune. joshua is arguably the highest risk of them all, but the attraction is that win, lose or draw, Wilder makes big money even if turns out to be a cash-out fight. That is why Wilder is pushing for a unification with Joshua and asap before Joshua closes the experience gap, He will improve while Deontay is only going to get older.

KiwiRider wrote:I watch Wilders fights hoping someone is going to beat him. Washington was winning rounds until the inevitable happened.
I'm sure I am not alone in this.
Also, don't underestimate Parker's fans. He has 3 groups of support
1, New Zealanders
2, Samoans
3, Jehovah Witness
He is as big, if not bigger than AJ is in the UK in NZ and Samoa.
He fought in Samoa and it was like Ali going through small villages in the lead up to Rumble in the Jungle

You mean Parker has no fans? That's pretty much what everyone knows.

Mexi-Box wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:I watch Wilders fights hoping someone is going to beat him. Washington was winning rounds until the inevitable happened.
I'm sure I am not alone in this.
Also, don't underestimate Parker's fans. He has 3 groups of support
1, New Zealanders
2, Samoans
3, Jehovah Witness
He is as big, if not bigger than AJ is in the UK in NZ and Samoa.
He fought in Samoa and it was like Ali going through small villages in the lead up to Rumble in the Jungle

You mean Parker has no fans? That's pretty much what everyone knows.

He gets bigger crowds than Wilder and PPV which people besides me pay for in the tens of thousands, something else Wilder is an eon away from after 6 defences.

birdlegs will knock out anthony "biblical" joshua he only has to land one right hand that will do the job biblical cannot handle that kind of power

Joshua has nothing to fear from anything Wilder can throw... Gerald Washington has no defense, no stance, no experience, and no power... He won the first 4 rounds off of Wilder off his size, strength, and athleticism.. Wilder should have clocked him in the 1st round... Wilder is a 3-round job for Joshua.

Al Haymon is missing the boat with his boxers... Tyson made more money after he got knocked out than before... After he was beaten 3 times he pulled in his biggest payday versus Lewis... It's fame that makes you money -- not how great a fighter you are.

There's no way to get famous if you're only looking to go 60-0.. You're most likely avoiding the best fighters.. A lot of guys have reached that mark and none of them were among the biggest draws in the history of Boxing... Marciano was undefeated, but the gates he drew in were smaller than the ones Dempsey and Louis hauled in decades earlier after they were knocked out.. They had the magic..

It's not that Dempsey and Louis could box so well.. They couldn't.. The public liked them because they were pretty good fighters and they really fought.. They fought their asses off and there was nothing phony about them.. Everybody knows there're better Heavyweights than Wilder and that he's not fighting them.

That's just what Dominic Breazeale said recently ... Wilder is a three round job for Joshua.

Say you never see Breazeale and Kalan in the same room do you?

No doubt in my mind Wilder can beat Joshua. Joshua has defensive issues and limited head movement. He would take incoming right hands.

I guess having these polarized opinions is a good thing. If there were to be a Wilder/ Joshua showdown and say for example, AJ were to destroy him, then the heavyweight division would suddenly get a whole lot less interesting wouldn't it?

There's an old saying that goes something like "It's sometimes better to travel in expectation than to arrive"