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I just have a bad feeling...primarily because Kell Brook looks strong and doesn't look weight drained...that aside with him being unbeaten @ WW.

Kell brooks looks even more serious than Errol Spence, he showed in this face off that he's not backing down notice how Errol walked off and Brook

was still giving looking at him with confidence and pride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLONPTwBPvY

hope brook can pull this off but seeing as his unbeaten run at WW only includes a razor thin win over shawn porter and not a lot else I kinda doubt it.

littlepug wrote:hope brook can pull this off but seeing as his unbeaten run at WW only includes a razor thin win over shawn porter and not a lot else I kinda doubt it.

Brooks welterweight run only includes Porter so you doubt his chances

Spences welterweight run includes (insert any name)... does this give you confidence?

Ossyrules wrote:

littlepug wrote:hope brook can pull this off but seeing as his unbeaten run at WW only includes a razor thin win over shawn porter and not a lot else I kinda doubt it.

Brooks welterweight run only includes Porter so you doubt his chances

Spences welterweight run includes (insert any name)... does this give you confidence?

its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

littlepug wrote:hope brook can pull this off but seeing as his unbeaten run at WW only includes a razor thin win over shawn porter and not a lot else I kinda doubt it.

Still alot better than Spence run has. Spence get's all of this hype based off of rumored sparring sessions.

littlepug wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

littlepug wrote:hope brook can pull this off but seeing as his unbeaten run at WW only includes a razor thin win over shawn porter and not a lot else I kinda doubt it.

Brooks welterweight run only includes Porter so you doubt his chances

Spences welterweight run includes (insert any name)... does this give you confidence?

its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

Fair response, however I'm more than confident anyone spence has faced, brook would have dealt with in similar fashion. It's his (razor thin in your eyes, close but clear in mine) win over Porter that actually proves what level brook is at.

If you don't rate Porter that's fair enough, excluding Pacquaio whose a part time fighter, I put Porter at number 3 in the division

IKSRTFO wrote:

littlepug wrote:hope brook can pull this off but seeing as his unbeaten run at WW only includes a razor thin win over shawn porter and not a lot else I kinda doubt it.

Still alot better than Spence run has. Spence get's all of this hype based off of rumored sparring sessions.

agree but ive seen spence in action and ive also seen brook in action and out of the 2 of em spence has the better skills for me, but hey that's just my opinion !

bnovelist wrote:I just have a bad feeling...primarily because Kell Brook looks strong and doesn't look weight drained...that aside with him being unbeaten @ WW.

Kell brooks looks even more serious than Errol Spence, he showed in this face off that he's not backing down notice how Errol walked off and Brook

was still giving looking at him with confidence and pride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLONPTwBPvY

Psssst . . . looking more serious than your opponent in a staredown does not score any points.

Ossyrules wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Brooks welterweight run only includes Porter so you doubt his chances

Spences welterweight run includes (insert any name)... does this give you confidence?

its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

Fair response, however I'm more than confident anyone spence has faced, brook would have dealt with in similar fashion. It's his (razor thin in your eyes, close but clear in mine) win over Porter that actually proves what level brook is at.

If you don't rate Porter that's fair enough, excluding Pacquaio whose a part time fighter, I put Porter at number 3 in the division

don't get me wrong on paper the porter win looks good but that was a while ago now, I think brook could've improved further after that win had he had decent challenges but the soft defences coupled with a hard night with GGG has done him no favours IMO

bnovelist wrote:I just have a bad feeling...primarily because Kell Brook looks strong and doesn't look weight drained...that aside with him being unbeaten @ WW.

Kell brooks looks even more serious than Errol Spence, he showed in this face off that he's not backing down notice how Errol walked off and Brook

was still giving looking at him with confidence and pride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLONPTwBPvY

Bno. You a true expert. I had the exact same feeling when i saw brook standing infront if jr. Brook always trained hard, this is nothing new. But he looked big and strong, full power, no weightproblem at all. Spence will have a hard time with him.

littlepug wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

littlepug wrote: its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

Fair response, however I'm more than confident anyone spence has faced, brook would have dealt with in similar fashion. It's his (razor thin in your eyes, close but clear in mine) win over Porter that actually proves what level brook is at.

If you don't rate Porter that's fair enough, excluding Pacquaio whose a part time fighter, I put Porter at number 3 in the division

don't get me wrong on paper the porter win looks good but that was a while ago now, I think brook could've improved further after that win had he had decent challenges but the soft defences coupled with a hard night with GGG has done him no favours IMO

Porter is a major scalp, any way you slice it.

littlepug wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

littlepug wrote: its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

Fair response, however I'm more than confident anyone spence has faced, brook would have dealt with in similar fashion. It's his (razor thin in your eyes, close but clear in mine) win over Porter that actually proves what level brook is at.

If you don't rate Porter that's fair enough, excluding Pacquaio whose a part time fighter, I put Porter at number 3 in the division

don't get me wrong on paper the porter win looks good but that was a while ago now, I think brook could've improved further after that win had he had decent challenges but the soft defences coupled with a hard night with GGG has done him no favours IMO

Dan and Bizier were second raters but they were mandatories. And they were smashed like they should have been by a good fighter.

Gavin did not absolutely deserve the shot. He has potential to be good but it's too early and he has too many problems to even think about fighting the 147 champ. I can't remember why that fight was made except it was a quick turnaround after his Dan mandatory on a fairly good show from memory. I won't give brook or matchroom any credit here though. But he was dealt with emphatically.

Golovkin was a huge roll of the dice and we'll see Saturday if it's had any effects. That's up for debate.

You like what you see in spence that's fine. I just take issue with those that bring up record to determine who will win. Cos porters the only name on eithers

littlepug wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

littlepug wrote:hope brook can pull this off but seeing as his unbeaten run at WW only includes a razor thin win over shawn porter and not a lot else I kinda doubt it.

Still alot better than Spence run has. Spence get's all of this hype based off of rumored sparring sessions.

agree but ive seen spence in action and ive also seen brook in action and out of the 2 of em spence has the better skills for me, but hey that's just my opinion !

Spence has never faced a puncher. Brook has. When the sparring session between him and Floyd is brought up, people ususally leave out that it's also rumored that Floyd put a hurting on him and almost stopped him on the last day with an uppercut.

littlepug wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

littlepug wrote:hope brook can pull this off but seeing as his unbeaten run at WW only includes a razor thin win over shawn porter and not a lot else I kinda doubt it.

Brooks welterweight run only includes Porter so you doubt his chances

Spences welterweight run includes (insert any name)... does this give you confidence?

its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

As has Brook.....

Switch hitter wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Brooks welterweight run only includes Porter so you doubt his chances

Spences welterweight run includes (insert any name)... does this give you confidence?

its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

As has Brook.....

agree, just think brook suits spence more than spence suits brook

IKSRTFO wrote:

littlepug wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:
Still alot better than Spence run has. Spence get's all of this hype based off of rumored sparring sessions.

agree but ive seen spence in action and ive also seen brook in action and out of the 2 of em spence has the better skills for me, but hey that's just my opinion !

Spence has never faced a puncher. Brook has. When the sparring session between him and Floyd is brought up, people ususally leave out that it's also rumored that Floyd put a hurting on him and almost stopped him on the last day with an uppercut.

I agree with questioning Spence's ability to take top level incoming fire. People can poo poo Brook's W over Porter but Spence has completely bypassed that level of competition.

I give Spence credit for taking major risks in this fight but none of that matters if he fails at this level at this moment.

Spence seems a bit too laid back.

littlepug wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:

littlepug wrote: its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

As has Brook.....

agree, just think brook suits spence more than spence suits brook

Don't you think Spence is a bit of a plodder?...... doesn't seem as quick as people make out but he does seem to hit hard

Switch hitter wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:
As has Brook.....

agree, just think brook suits spence more than spence suits brook

Don't you think Spence is a bit of a plodder?...... doesn't seem as quick as people make out but he does seem to hit hard

To be honest its his technique and shot variety that caught my eye, can see his long straight shots causing some damage, but when all is said and done its still a 50/50 fight that could go either way on paper so I'm happy whoever wins

littlepug wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:

littlepug wrote: agree, just think brook suits spence more than spence suits brook

Don't you think Spence is a bit of a plodder?...... doesn't seem as quick as people make out but he does seem to hit hard

To be honest its his technique and shot variety that caught my eye, can see his long straight shots causing some damage, but when all is said and done its still a 50/50 fight that could go either way on paper so I'm happy whoever wins

A cracker.....

Jip you've seen that too huh? Errol walked off like a bully that got stood up to and challenged. Brook doesn't look weight drained at all it's Errol who's

face looks drained. I'm excited about this fight! Brook looks strong and healthy....

Now look at this vid and tell me which one of the two looks healthier and stronger when side by side.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IkrrfO0rjg

bnovelist wrote:I just have a bad feeling...primarily because Kell Brook looks strong and doesn't look weight drained...that aside with him being unbeaten @ WW.

Kell brooks looks even more serious than Errol Spence, he showed in this face off that he's not backing down notice how Errol walked off and Brook

was still giving looking at him with confidence and pride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLONPTwBPvY

Agree with your observations. Brook looks rock solid and eager. Spence not nearly so. Spence is realizing he's not in with an Al Haymon handpicked patsy this time. Spence backs away at the end and when he sees Brook still staring bullets he looks straight down. That right there could be THE OMEN

Ossyrules wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Brooks welterweight run only includes Porter so you doubt his chances

Spences welterweight run includes (insert any name)... does this give you confidence?

its not the name its how he won, not very convincingly against some one I didn't particularly rate, I don't really rate anyone spence has boxed but he dealt with them the way he should deal with 2nd raters

Fair response, however I'm more than confident anyone spence has faced, brook would have dealt with in similar fashion. It's his (razor thin in your eyes, close but clear in mine) win over Porter that actually proves what level brook is at.

If you don't rate Porter that's fair enough, excluding Pacquaio whose a part time fighter, I put Porter at number 3 in the division

Who are the two you put ahead of Porter?

Spence has looked good vs B level. We really don't know if he's ready to graduate to the A level. Based on what Spence showed today in his body language and his eyes he looks concerned apprehensive and surprised by what Brook presented today. I have no horse in this race but Brook looks like the solid favorite and the superior guy. Spence looks like he could be another overrated Al Haymon manufactured hype job (Seth mitchell Broner Arreola Stevenson Garcia Quillin Jacobs).