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Course he would.

Discuss, though

Ps Kell tonight beats Thurman, not sure if destroyed-face Kell beats him in future.

I still have Thurman ranked ahead of Spence at the moment because he has a better resume, but yes I'd confidently take Spence to win if they were to face each other.

Different kind of fight. I think that Thurman has superior mobility to Brook but yeah, I'd favour Spence over Thurman at this point.

IT wrote:Different kind of fight. I think that Thurman has superior mobility to Brook but yeah, I'd favour Spence over Thurman at this point.

Thurmans punches aren't as compact as Brooks. He wouldn't have the same ability to stop him walking him down. Thurman is a decent talent match for Spence, being a good athlete with a big frame and ok skills, but a horrible style matchup IMO

think of that southpaw creasing Thurman with a body shot, was it Guerrero? Or Collazo? Shit my memory

Then imagine him in with Spence

Counter-puncher wrote:

IT wrote:Different kind of fight. I think that Thurman has superior mobility to Brook but yeah, I'd favour Spence over Thurman at this point.

Thurmans punches aren't as compact as Brooks. He wouldn't have the same ability to stop him walking him down. Thurman is a decent talent match for Spence, being a good athlete with a big frame and ok skills, but a horrible style matchup IMO

think of that southpaw creasing Thurman with a body shot, was it Guerrero? Or Collazo? poo my memory

Then imagine him in with Spence

Yeah he is susceptible to body shots against lefties which doesnt bode well

Thurman would seriously be running in there. I think he knows it's a bad match up, Spence is the only guy I've seen Thurman 'duck".

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Thurman would seriously be running in there. I think he knows it's a bad match up, Spence is the only guy I've seen Thurman 'duck".

Yeah he definitely tries to steer the subject away from Spence as quickly as he can when he gets brought up.

Counter-puncher wrote:Course he would.

Discuss, though

Ps Kell tonight beats Thurman, not sure if destroyed-face Kell beats him in future.

Whilst I give a lot of credit to Spence Jr. for travelling overseas to dominate a highly-regarded champion in his own backyard, he possesses vulnerabilities, such as being wide open to the straight right hand.

I can't help thinking that Brook would have been stronger during the championship rounds had he not taken the GGG fight and nor would he have quit due to his eye injury.

I'm not saying that Brook would have beaten Spence Jr, but it would've been a better fight.

Spence Jr. is clearly the real-deal and has earned his plaudits, but he has his flaws and it's a tad premature to elevate him to pound-for-pound greatness, like many have already crowned him.

IT wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

IT wrote:Different kind of fight. I think that Thurman has superior mobility to Brook but yeah, I'd favour Spence over Thurman at this point.

Thurmans punches aren't as compact as Brooks. He wouldn't have the same ability to stop him walking him down. Thurman is a decent talent match for Spence, being a good athlete with a big frame and ok skills, but a horrible style matchup IMO

think of that southpaw creasing Thurman with a body shot, was it Guerrero? Or Collazo? poo my memory

Then imagine him in with Spence

Yeah he is susceptible to body shots against lefties which doesnt bode well

Plus prone to be backed up and not great at fighting in the back foot

I'm not Thirmans biggest fan but I actually think he is a better fighter than he'd look against Spence

Enlightened-One wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Course he would.

Discuss, though

Ps Kell tonight beats Thurman, not sure if destroyed-face Kell beats him in future.

Whilst I give a lot of credit to Spence Jr. for travelling overseas to dominate a highly-regarded champion in his own backyard, he possesses vulnerabilities, such as being wide open to the straight right hand.

I can't help thinking that Brook would have been stronger during the championship rounds had he not taken the GGG fight and nor would he have quit due to his eye injury.

I'm not saying that Brook would have beaten Spence Jr, but it would've been a better fight.

Spence Jr. is clearly the real-deal and has earned his plaudits, but he has his flaws and it's a tad premature to elevate him to pound-for-pound greatness, like many have already crowned him.

That's really intelligent EO, in an OP which doesn't even mention Spences p4p ranking once, and merely asks readers to speculate who might win a bout between Spence and Thurman, you focus giving an answer entirely addressing points I never made

Can you make any remotely interesting point about the Spence- Thurman matchup, now I've explained the obvious and told you what this thread is about?

Counter-puncher wrote:

IT wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:
Thurmans punches aren't as compact as Brooks. He wouldn't have the same ability to stop him walking him down. Thurman is a decent talent match for Spence, being a good athlete with a big frame and ok skills, but a horrible style matchup IMO

think of that southpaw creasing Thurman with a body shot, was it Guerrero? Or Collazo? poo my memory

Then imagine him in with Spence

Yeah he is susceptible to body shots against lefties which doesnt bode well

Plus prone to be backed up and not great at fighting in the back foot

I'm not Thirmans biggest fan but I actually think he is a better fighter than he'd look against Spence

I dunno, I think Thurman can box well on the backfoot against Orthodox boxers but he didnt look comfortable at all against Collazo and in particular in regards to the body shots.

He also boxed well on the backfoot against Bundu. That said, Bundu is not an elite welterweight.

Bundu also short and has much less chance to get off first against someone with Thurmans range

Spence is similarly-dimensioned if not as rangy as Thurman

Mate take my word for it I don't go unequivocal often but some matchups I just 'see' clearly in my mind and I'm probably 80% in those (relatively few) fights

Counter-puncher wrote:Bundu also short and has much less chance to get off first against someone with Thurmans range

Spence is similarly-dimensioned if not as rangy as Thurman

Mate take my word for it I don't go unequivocal often but some matchups I just 'see' clearly in my mind and I'm probably 80% in those (relatively few) fights

No, i totally see the scenario you're selling. I see Thurman trying to move a lot but subsequently gassing and Spence catching up with him and taking Thurman out.

I would favor Thurman slightly. Spence did not show me anything amazing today. Brook lost largely because he was drained and physically less then his best. Thurman wont have those problems. I think he will outbox Spence.

Also there is no question of Thurman ducking Spence. Suggestion is baseless. Unless Haymon puts it on hold fight will happen. Both fighters want it.

@lefty: Yup. And when Thurman is in moving mode he uses/wastes energy. He's getting backed up and night and he's the only guy taking hurtful punches all night, and losing each round depletes him more. Thurmans a better athlete than natural fighter he's a little DLH-esque in the very act of fighting tiring him out because it doesn't come intuitively. That's a long night against an elite pressure fighter, especially one who's plenty talented and athletic himself and carved out of rock with it.

Tarkus wrote:I would favor Thurman slightly. Spence did not show me anything amazing today. Brook lost largely because he was drained and physically less then his best. Thurman wont have those problems. I think he will outbox Spence.

Also there is no question of Thurman ducking Spence. Suggestion is baseless. Unless Haymon puts it on hold fight will happen. Both fighters want it.

Thurman has already ducked him. Floyd wanted the fight for a vacant belt on his undercard. Keith didn't want none.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tarkus wrote:I would favor Thurman slightly. Spence did not show me anything amazing today. Brook lost largely because he was drained and physically less then his best. Thurman wont have those problems. I think he will outbox Spence.

Also there is no question of Thurman ducking Spence. Suggestion is baseless. Unless Haymon puts it on hold fight will happen. Both fighters want it.

Thurman has already ducked him. Floyd wanted the fight for a vacant belt on his undercard. Keith didn't want none.

What Floyd has to do with this. Thurman had better options, fights with bigger, more proven names. Its only a duck in my book if you refuse to fight your best possible opponent. If he fought Spence and not Garcia then people would say he is ducking Garcia. Now that Spence has a title and is the number one opponent for Thurman he will fight him I am sure. Just wait and see.

Tarkus wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tarkus wrote:I would favor Thurman slightly. Spence did not show me anything amazing today. Brook lost largely because he was drained and physically less then his best. Thurman wont have those problems. I think he will outbox Spence.

Also there is no question of Thurman ducking Spence. Suggestion is baseless. Unless Haymon puts it on hold fight will happen. Both fighters want it.

Thurman has already ducked him. Floyd wanted the fight for a vacant belt on his undercard. Keith didn't want none.

What Floyd has to do with this. Thurman had better options, fights with bigger, more proven names. Its only a duck in my book if you refuse to fight your best possible opponent. If he fought Spence and not Garcia then people would say he is ducking Garcia. Now that Spence has a title and is the number one opponent for Thurman he will fight him I am sure. Just wait and see.

No he didn't, he didn't even have a belt at the time. He just didn't want that challenge without it being for big money. Spence was all about it. Floyd was going to put it on his undercard, that's what he has to do with it. 'Ducking' is a far too frequently used term in this sport, I just figured you might want to know that Thurman could have fought Errol for a title on a huge stage and he said no.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tarkus wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Thurman has already ducked him. Floyd wanted the fight for a vacant belt on his undercard. Keith didn't want none.

What Floyd has to do with this. Thurman had better options, fights with bigger, more proven names. Its only a duck in my book if you refuse to fight your best possible opponent. If he fought Spence and not Garcia then people would say he is ducking Garcia. Now that Spence has a title and is the number one opponent for Thurman he will fight him I am sure. Just wait and see.

No he didn't, he didn't even have a belt at the time. He just didn't want that challenge without it being for big money. Spence was all about it. Floyd was going to put it on his undercard, that's what he has to do with it. 'Ducking' is a far too frequently used term in this sport, I just figured you might want to know that Thurman could have fought Errol for a title on a huge stage and he said no.

When that happened? And are we talking about same Floyd who ducked Thurman for years, fighting 2nd and 3rd rate opponents. Is this the same guy who fought Berto instead of Thurman? I supposed he offer Thurman to fight on Berto undercard. How very nice.

Tarkus wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tarkus wrote: What Floyd has to do with this. Thurman had better options, fights with bigger, more proven names. Its only a duck in my book if you refuse to fight your best possible opponent. If he fought Spence and not Garcia then people would say he is ducking Garcia. Now that Spence has a title and is the number one opponent for Thurman he will fight him I am sure. Just wait and see.

No he didn't, he didn't even have a belt at the time. He just didn't want that challenge without it being for big money. Spence was all about it. Floyd was going to put it on his undercard, that's what he has to do with it. 'Ducking' is a far too frequently used term in this sport, I just figured you might want to know that Thurman could have fought Errol for a title on a huge stage and he said no.

When that happened? And are we talking about same Floyd who ducked Thurman for years, fighting 2nd and 3rd rate opponents. Is this the same guy who fought Berto instead of Thurman? I supposed he offer Thurman to fight on Berto undercard. How very nice.

You Mayweather fans are relentless.

I'd take spence over Thurman

Spence has beaten the best welterweight in the division tonight. He should have no fear of what Thurman brings to the table imo

It won't be easy to beat Thurman. Thurman is a motivated fighter just like Spence. One thing for certain the fight won't happen this year.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Course he would.

Discuss, though

Ps Kell tonight beats Thurman, not sure if destroyed-face Kell beats him in future.

Whilst I give a lot of credit to Spence Jr. for travelling overseas to dominate a highly-regarded champion in his own backyard, he possesses vulnerabilities, such as being wide open to the straight right hand.

I can't help thinking that Brook would have been stronger during the championship rounds had he not taken the GGG fight and nor would he have quit due to his eye injury.

I'm not saying that Brook would have beaten Spence Jr, but it would've been a better fight.

Spence Jr. is clearly the real-deal and has earned his plaudits, but he has his flaws and it's a tad premature to elevate him to pound-for-pound greatness, like many have already crowned him.

That's really intelligent EO, in an OP which doesn't even mention Spences p4p ranking once, and merely asks readers to speculate who might win a bout between Spence and Thurman, you focus giving an answer entirely addressing points I never made

Can you make any remotely interesting point about the Spence- Thurman matchup, now I've explained the obvious and told you what this thread is about?

I'm simply responding in general to the inevitable “pendulum swinging” effect found in the majority of casual fight fans and the media where they go from one vine (lavishing over-the-top praise for the victorious fighter) to the next based on the sport’s most recent noteworthy performance.

A lot of people seem overly-hyped about Errol Spence Jr. and I feel that some of it is premature and perhaps driven by their immediate emotional reaction to the most recent fight (as per the multiple threads boldly proclaiming the new IBF champ as worthy of being classed amongst the mythical top-ten pound-for-pound elite).

For the record, I still rate Thurman above Spence Jr., but will re-evaluate the situation when we see Errol face another elite fighter that wasn't coming off a stoppage loss.

Run Time Thurman

crusader wrote:Run Time Thurman

I don't get how he's ducking. You don't duck Errol Spence to fight Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia. Both are dangerous fights for anyone.