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1. (1.) James DeGale
2. (2.) Carl Frampton
3. (3.) Anthony Joshua
4. (12.) George Groves
5. (4.) Tyson Fury
6. (6.) Tony Bellew
7. (7.) Jamie McDonnell
8. (5.) Kell Brook
9. (8.) Lee Selby
10. (9.) Terry Flanagan

11. (10.) Scott Quigg
12. (11.) Amir Khan
13. (13.) Billy Joe Saunders
14. (15.) Khalid Yafai
15. (14.) Anthony Crolla
16. (22.) Sam Eggington
17. (16.) Luke Campbell
18. (17.) Martin Murray
19. (18.) Callum Smith
20. (19.) Nathan Cleverly

21. (RE.) Josh Warrington
22. (20.) Chris Eubank Jr.
23. (21.) Ricky Burns
24. (23.) Lee Haskins
25. (27.) Andrew Selby
26. (24.) Andy Lee (Irish)
27. (25.) Dillian Whyte
28. (26.) Dereck Chisora
29. (28.) Stuart Hall
30. (29.) Stephen Smith

Out - (30.) Bradley Skeete

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Frampton should be number 1. Fury shouldn't be in at the moment until it's clearer what's happening in regards to his future in the sport. Bellew and McDonnell above Brook? Not for me.

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton should be number 1. Fury shouldn't be in at the moment until it's clearer what's happening in regards to his future in the sport. Bellew and McDonnell above Brook? Not for me.

What's Brook done since the Porter fight 2 years and 9 months ago?

Kell Brook - Dan Ion, Gavin, Bizier, Golovkin (Lost) & Spence (Lost).
Tony Bellew - Cleverly II, Bacurin, Kulikauskis, Masternak, Makabu, Flores & Haye.
Jamie McDonnell - Chacon, Kameda I, Kameda II, Vargas & Solis.

Brook can't live off that Porter win forever. He's going to be dropping now until he get's another decent win.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton should be number 1. Fury shouldn't be in at the moment until it's clearer what's happening in regards to his future in the sport. Bellew and McDonnell above Brook? Not for me.

What's Brook done since the Porter fight 2 years and 9 months ago?

Kell Brook - Dan Ion, Gavin, Bizier, Golovkin (Lost) & Spence (Lost).
Tony Bellew - Cleverly II, Bacurin, Kulikauskis, Masternak, Makabu, Flores & Haye.
Jamie McDonnell - Chacon, Kameda I, Kameda II, Vargas & Solis.

Brook can't live off that Porter win forever. He's going to be dropping now until he get's another decent win.

Depends how you do your rankings. P4P Brook is a better fighter than both they guys in my humble opinion. Yeah he's lost his last two but that's been in far better company than anyone Bellew or McDonnell has shared a ring with and he didn't disgrace himself in either of they fights.

McDonnell got away with one in his last fight and Bellew beat a one legged Haye. Makabu and Masternak were solid enough wins but the rest are meh. Cleverly was fukked in their fight and effectively fought with one arm.

Anybody that counts every loss as a negative isn't fit to make lists.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Anybody that counts every loss as a negative isn't fit to make lists.

And who does that?

Pointless post.

Go away.

Horse wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Anybody that counts every loss as a negative isn't fit to make lists.

And who does that?

Pointless post.

Go away.

You, when it suits your agendas. You go away.

Most people do, actually, very annoying.

Stuarty30 wrote:Depends how you do your rankings. P4P Brook is a better fighter than both they guys in my humble opinion. Yeah he's lost his last two but that's been in far better company than anyone Bellew or McDonnell has shared a ring with and he didn't disgrace himself in either of they fights.

McDonnell got away with one in his last fight and Bellew beat a one legged Haye. Makabu and Masternak were solid enough wins but the rest are meh. Cleverly was fukked in their fight and effectively fought with one arm.

Brook's not done enough to maintain such a high ranking since the Porter win and so he is going to drop.

His overall record is not really all that great and his only world class win is against Porter.

Kell Brook's 10 best results:

Shawn Porter
Vyacheslav Senchenko
Rafal Jackiewicz
Frankie Gavin
Carson Jones I
Matthew Hatton
Gennady Golovkin - (Lost)
Errol Spence Jr - (Lost)
Ionut Dan Ion
Lovemore Ndou


The Spence Jr result might go up in time if he proves himself, but at the moment it's a loss against a fairly unproven (apart from the win against Brook) prospect.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You, when it suits your agendas. You go away.

So I don't do it all of the time then do I?

Only when it serves my agenda?

Get lost.

Horse wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You, when it suits your agendas. You go away.

So I don't do it all of the time then do I?

Only when it serves my agenda?

Get lost.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Kovalev did duck Stevenson.

You lose, now go away.

Horse wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Kovalev did duck Stevenson.

You lose, now go away.

Billy Joe Saunders behind Amir Khan at this point?

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Depends how you do your rankings. P4P Brook is a better fighter than both they guys in my humble opinion. Yeah he's lost his last two but that's been in far better company than anyone Bellew or McDonnell has shared a ring with and he didn't disgrace himself in either of they fights.

McDonnell got away with one in his last fight and Bellew beat a one legged Haye. Makabu and Masternak were solid enough wins but the rest are meh. Cleverly was fukked in their fight and effectively fought with one arm.

Brook's not done enough to maintain such a high ranking since the Porter win and so he is going to drop.

His overall record is not really all that great and his only world class win is against Porter.

Kell Brook's 10 best results:

Shawn Porter
Vyacheslav Senchenko
Rafal Jackiewicz
Frankie Gavin
Carson Jones I
Matthew Hatton
Gennady Golovkin - (Lost)
Errol Spence Jr - (Lost)
Ionut Dan Ion
Lovemore Ndou


The Spence Jr result might go up in time if he proves himself, but at the moment it's a loss against a fairly unproven (apart from the win against Brook) prospect.

I'm well aware of Brooks record. I've watched him for a long time. As I said I don't know how you work your lists out but P4P Brook is a level above Bellew and McDonnell. It's your list at the end of the day but that's my opinion.

Stuarty30 wrote:I'm well aware of Brooks record. I've watched him for a long time. As I said I don't know how you work your lists out but P4P Brook is a level above Bellew and McDonnell. It's your list at the end of the day but that's my opinion.

If Brook's a level above them then he should prove it in the ring and get some results. He hasn't earned the right to stay above them and so he has fallen.

I believe that both Bellew and McDonnell would have a decent chance of beating Brook in a P4P fight. The only thing that he's done to suggest that he's a level above either is narrowly beating Porter about three years ago.

Brook relies on that one result for almost all of his credibility. After almost 13 years as a pro, that's pretty sad. His career really has been a let down and it looks like it could be over soon.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:I'm well aware of Brooks record. I've watched him for a long time. As I said I don't know how you work your lists out but P4P Brook is a level above Bellew and McDonnell. It's your list at the end of the day but that's my opinion.

If Brook's a level above them then he should prove it in the ring and get some results. He hasn't earned the right to stay above them and so he has fallen.

I believe that both Bellew and McDonnell would have a decent chance of beating Brook in a P4P fight. The only thing that he's done to suggest that he's a level above either is narrowly beating Porter about three years ago.

Brook relies on that one result for almost all of his credibility. After almost 13 years as a pro, that's pretty sad. His career really has been a let down and it looks like it could be over soon.

I'm not saying his record is great but he's better than them two P4P no doubt man. If you think otherwise then fair enough but I strongly disagree.

You say Brook hasn't earned the right to stay above them yet you have Fury sitting above all three of them? He hasn't fought in a year and a half, hasn't got a licence and has nothing lined up. Surely there has to be some sort of system in your rankings? You drop Brook for losing to two P4P'ers in good fights and in that time Fury has just released a few YouTube videos! I'm a Tyson fan but you seem to make it up as you go along then come up with these silly arguements when someone calls you on it. It's the same every month.

I wouldn't have Khan as high simply because he hasn't won for over two years.

Otherwise it's a great list as always, Horse!

Stuarty30 wrote:You say Brook hasn't earned the right to stay above them yet you have Fury sitting above all three of them? He hasn't fought in a year and a half, hasn't got a licence and has nothing lined up.

The difference is that Fury's best win was 18 months ago, not three years ago and his best win was also a lot better than Brook's best win.

Fury has dropped one place a month for the last 2 months and he is likely to keep dropping at a steady rate now until he fights again.

Stuarty30 wrote:Surely there has to be some sort of system in your rankings? You drop Brook for losing to two P4P'ers in good fights and in that time Fury has just released a few YouTube videos!

Golovkin battered Brook in 5 rounds.

Spence is only any sort of a P4Per because he beat Brook. He might turn out to be pretty average at world level. We don't know yet.

Stuarty30 wrote:I'm a Tyson fan but you seem to make it up as you go along then come up with these silly arguements when someone calls you on it. It's the same every month.

This is how I see things, this is my opinion.

If you don't like it then go away.

milpool wrote:I wouldn't have Khan as high simply because he hasn't won for over two years.

Otherwise it's a great list as always, Horse!

Thank you, milpool.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:I'm well aware of Brooks record. I've watched him for a long time. As I said I don't know how you work your lists out but P4P Brook is a level above Bellew and McDonnell. It's your list at the end of the day but that's my opinion.

If Brook's a level above them then he should prove it in the ring and get some results. He hasn't earned the right to stay above them and so he has fallen.

I believe that both Bellew and McDonnell would have a decent chance of beating Brook in a P4P fight. The only thing that he's done to suggest that he's a level above either is narrowly beating Porter about three years ago.

Brook relies on that one result for almost all of his credibility. After almost 13 years as a pro, that's pretty sad. His career really has been a let down and it looks like it could be over soon.

Kell brook is clearly a better boxer than Mcdonell and Bellew. I get you like to be a bit controversial and ruffle feathers

Ossyrules wrote:Kell brook is clearly a better boxer than Mcdonell and Bellew. I get you like to be a bit controversial and ruffle feathers

No, he's not clearly a better boxer than them.

Brook has had about 13 years to back up all of the hype he gets, but he has so far failed to do so.

Can everyone stop worshipping this guy now?

Horse wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Kell brook is clearly a better boxer than Mcdonell and Bellew. I get you like to be a bit controversial and ruffle feathers

No, he's not clearly a better boxer than them.

Brook has had about 13 years to back up all of the hype he gets, but he has so far failed to do so.

Can everyone stop worshipping this guy now?

Clear to anyone who follows boxing

If you don't like it I suggest you go away

Ossyrules wrote:Clear to anyone who follows boxing

If you don't like it I suggest you go away

People massively overrate speed, power & flashiness.

Brook is overrated.