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if the fight was made today, who wins?

McDonnell would win that one I figure. He might not even need the help of the judges this time.

I don't rate Butler. I think that McDonnell would win easily.

McDonnell should be fighting better opposition than this.

What happened to the Solis rematch?

McDonnell I reckon. Always thought Butler was massively overrated. The lads on BN go right over the score praising him at times.

I'm being honest Joe Gallagher training Butler makes McDonnell a significant favourite.

Without Gallagher I think McDonnell would still be favourite but not as wide. McDonnell is on the slide.

Horse wrote:I don't rate Butler. I think that McDonnell would win easily.

McDonnell should be fighting better opposition than this.

What happened to the Solis rematch?

Bang on the WBA mandated that. But they do what they want anyway. They mandated Warren and McDonnell last year, Warren turned it down they did nothing.

It should be McDonnell v Zhakiyanov next.

McDonnell.

In response to Naandrew ^ On the slide? He just came onto the world scene a few years ago. He just never was that good in the first place, and without generous judging he'd have multiple losses already.

Naandrew wrote:I'm being honest Joe Gallagher training Butler makes McDonnell a significant favourite.

Without Gallagher I think McDonnell would still be favourite but not as wide. McDonnell is on the slide.

Really? What difference do you see Gallagher making to the outcome?

Stuarty30 wrote:McDonnell I reckon. Always thought Butler was massively overrated. The lads on BN go right over the score praising him at times.

That Stuart Hall fight was close as well. That's his only decent win and its 3 years ago.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

Naandrew wrote:I'm being honest Joe Gallagher training Butler makes McDonnell a significant favourite.

Without Gallagher I think McDonnell would still be favourite but not as wide. McDonnell is on the slide.

Really? What difference do you see Gallagher making to the outcome?

Constantly loses at good level plus he is on a BAD run.

His Fighters fight the same way high guard no head movement do little for the first 6 rounds in big fights. Butler will throw very little in the first half of the fight which is useless as McDonnell has a VERY good fitness and can do the 12 easily.

Jamie would be his biggest win as a trainer by a massive distance.

Naandrew wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:McDonnell I reckon. Always thought Butler was massively overrated. The lads on BN go right over the score praising him at times.

That Stuart Hall fight was close as well. That's his only decent win and its 3 years ago.

It was good when Tete took him to school

gilgamesh wrote:In response to Naandrew ^ On the slide? He just came onto the world scene a few years ago. He just never was that good in the first place, and without generous judging he'd have multiple losses already.

I've been a fan for ages but Solis pushed him back far too easily. I don't think he would have struggled with Solis as much 2 years ago. Maybe on the slide is a bit far but he is not as good as he was based on that. In activity won't help him. I still think he should beat Butler.

He definitely lost the Solis fight. The first Kameda fight could have gone either way. I thought he won that rematch comfortably. I think he got a very lucky decision over Napa years ago didn't he ???

I think McDonnell wins fairly clearly.

I don't get the level of dislike for Jamie on here

Not the most talented boxer in the world but has done things the right way winning British, Euro & Commonwealth belts. Beat a very good fighter in Ceja (not an MD, McDonnell won clearly) and went overseas to beat the 'home' fighter on more than one occasion.

Naandrew wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:In response to Naandrew ^ On the slide? He just came onto the world scene a few years ago. He just never was that good in the first place, and without generous judging he'd have multiple losses already.

I've been a fan for ages but Solis pushed him back far too easily. I don't think he would have struggled with Solis as much 2 years ago. Maybe on the slide is a bit far but he is not as good as he was based on that. In activity won't help him. I still think he should beat Butler.

He definitely lost the Solis fight. The first Kameda fight could have gone either way. I thought he won that rematch comfortably. I think he got a very lucky decision over Napa years ago didn't he ???

I thought he lost both fights with Kameda, and the Solis fight. He lost 3 fights in a row and got the decision all 3 times, so I definitely am not a fan as I can't get behind fighters who need help to win their fights. He won't need any help to beat Butler though.

gilgamesh wrote:

Naandrew wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:In response to Naandrew ^ On the slide? He just came onto the world scene a few years ago. He just never was that good in the first place, and without generous judging he'd have multiple losses already.

I've been a fan for ages but Solis pushed him back far too easily. I don't think he would have struggled with Solis as much 2 years ago. Maybe on the slide is a bit far but he is not as good as he was based on that. In activity won't help him. I still think he should beat Butler.

He definitely lost the Solis fight. The first Kameda fight could have gone either way. I thought he won that rematch comfortably. I think he got a very lucky decision over Napa years ago didn't he ???

I thought he lost both fights with Kameda, and the Solis fight. He lost 3 fights in a row and got the decision all 3 times, so I definitely am not a fan as I can't get behind fighters who need help to win their fights. He won't need any help to beat Butler though.

Fair enough I'm the same opinions vary a lot with that Kameda rematch. Some Americans in the broadcast had Kameda wide which was mental to me. I had him 8-4 I think.

The Solis fight was a robbery though. You never know if this is on a BT show he may get a taste of his own medicine.

I think Butler is hugely over-rated by BN.

The size difference would be telling aswell. Mcdonnell wide on points IMO.

wesshaw1985 wrote:if the fight was made today, who wins?

Its going to be made soon as per Eddie's recent IFL interview.

Mc Donnell for points for me when it happens.

Taansend wrote:I don't get the level of dislike for Jamie on here

Ditching Hobson and signing with Eddie was when I started to dislike him. No loyalty

Fight Date is due this week - it's on allegedly as they offered enough for McDonnell to fight on Box/BT Sport.

gilgamesh wrote:In response to Naandrew ^ On the slide? He just came onto the world scene a few years ago. He just never was that good in the first place, and without generous judging he'd have multiple losses already.

I don't think he'd have multiple losses at all. He paced the fights well and puts in very strong finishes. And that includes Ceja, Hall and the two with Kameda in America - a superb run only a very good fighter would be capable of.

I had McDonnell winning the late rounds to edge the fight with Solis; my concern is he didn't win them as decisively as usual and barely scraped by IMO. Think he had a bad night, with the cuts, and was it a nosebleed as well ? and perhaps didn't take the opponent - a former super flyweight champion who dropped bantam king Yamanaka several times in defeat - seriously enough.

I'm very impatient for the Solis rematch but would be happy to see him beat the Hatton fighter and settle the WBA split title mess.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

Taansend wrote:I don't get the level of dislike for Jamie on here

Ditching Hobson and signing with Eddie was when I started to dislike him. No loyalty

Fighters have short careers and they're the ones getting punched in the face. You go where the best money is, nobody owes anybody a living least of all a promoter.

CaptainSpacerod wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

Taansend wrote:I don't get the level of dislike for Jamie on here

Ditching Hobson and signing with Eddie was when I started to dislike him. No loyalty

Fighters have short careers and they're the ones getting punched in the face. You go where the best money is, nobody owes anybody a living least of all a promoter.

True, but there's ways to go about it properly.

Autobarn wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:In response to Naandrew ^ On the slide? He just came onto the world scene a few years ago. He just never was that good in the first place, and without generous judging he'd have multiple losses already.

I don't think he'd have multiple losses at all. He paced the fights well and puts in very strong finishes. And that includes Ceja, Hall and the two with Kameda in America - a superb run only a very good fighter would be capable of.

I had McDonnell winning the late rounds to edge the fight with Solis; my concern is he didn't win them as decisively as usual and barely scraped by IMO. Think he had a bad night, with the cuts, and was it a nosebleed as well ? and perhaps didn't take the opponent - a former super flyweight champion who dropped bantam king Yamanaka several times in defeat - seriously enough.

I'm very impatient for the Solis rematch but would be happy to see him beat the Hatton fighter and settle the WBA split title mess.

I'm not sure how would beat ZZ now. I want to see it great fight. I don't mind the butler fight but I would rather see ZZ , Solis 2, Yamanaka or Tete.

Still don't know how people thought he beat Solis

That was as superficial of an 'outboxing' as I've seen. Jabs missing constantly and thrown from too far out, pitter-patter combos, taking more damage, getting hit with pretty much all the notable shots of the fight, and in general looking very uncomfortable. Seems like, as long as you're moving around and pushing out jabs and the occasional combo, some people will take that as you outboxing your opponent.

That said, McD is still a pretty good fighter, and I think he'll have enough to beat Butler.