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Have a look at our article about the upcoming rematch between Sergey Kovalev and Andre Ward

http://www.the13thround.com/ttround/ite ... ordID=2039

Ward will win a gain un dec this time

Saw the HBO 24/7 thing they did for the rematch.
At the start of the show they showed Kovalev in his dressing room, he was pissed off but more importantly hardly had a scratch on him.

Kova by ud

gilgamesh wrote:Have a look at our article about the upcoming rematch between Sergey Kovalev and Andre Ward

http://www.the13thround.com/ttround/ite ... ordID=2039

Interesting to see how many have Kovalev. I'm one of the many that feel that Ward figured Kovalev out late in that fight and it had nothing to do with Kovalev's conditioning. Ward will have to fend off some shots early but I see this one going the way of the first one but without a knockdown figured in. I see Ward winning a unanimous decision in this one.

Kovalev should win easily again because he's already proven he's a better boxer and puncher... However there is nothing in place to prevent another robbery -- so I see a repeat robbery... Also, if Ward wins getting a 3rd fight will be almost impossible for Kovalev -- and getting Chickenson and other top North American Light Heavyweights to fight him if he loses will be damned near impossible.

I'd like to see Kovalev win if for nothing else than to precipitate a Ward retirement.

caldo2025 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Have a look at our article about the upcoming rematch between Sergey Kovalev and Andre Ward

http://www.the13thround.com/ttround/ite ... ordID=2039

Interesting to see how many have Kovalev. I'm one of the many that feel that Ward figured Kovalev out late in that fight and it had nothing to do with Kovalev's conditioning. Ward will have to fend off some shots early but I see this one going the way of the first one but without a knockdown figured in. I see Ward winning a unanimous decision in this one.

This is how I feel as well. However, I think that if Kovalev can stay in his range, and keep space in between him and Ward for the majority of the bout, he can secure a decision or possibly a KO. But Ward is very savvy at getting inside and muddling things up in his favor. I hope kov can keep that space though. He has shown that he is much better working at a farther distance than Ward is. I'd like to see him fight off the back foot a bit in this fight and keep that distance.

In the last fight, Kovalev was overly concerned about Ward's head butts which distracted him from actual inside fighting. Hopefully, this time he will throw body punches himself. Even if he fights the same way as in the previous fight but comes in a slightly better physical condition, he should win comfortably. Ward has nothing against Kovalev's superior boxing skills on the outside and overwhelming power advantage.

The only thing that won't happen is Ward by KO.

Any other option is in play but Ward by DEC is the most logical.

diddy wrote:The only thing that won't happen is Ward by KO.

Any other option is in play but Ward by DEC is the most logical.

Kovalev's win would be most probable if 4 randomly selected boxing experts were used as a ref and judges.

boxing_rocks wrote:

diddy wrote:The only thing that won't happen is Ward by KO.

Any other option is in play but Ward by DEC is the most logical.

Kovalev's win would be most probable if 4 randomly selected boxing experts were used as a ref and judges.

Like the ones Kathy Duva agreed to using in the first fight... or the vast majority of Kovalev's career?

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

diddy wrote:The only thing that won't happen is Ward by KO.

Any other option is in play but Ward by DEC is the most logical.

Kovalev's win would be most probable if 4 randomly selected boxing experts were used as a ref and judges.

Like the ones Kathy Duva agreed to using in the first fight... or the vast majority of Kovalev's career?

What was used before the Ward fight doesn't matter, as there was only one competitive fight before that.

Your "logic" is like telling a swimmer who has never had a competition suit before that he doesn't need it on a higher level even though everybody else will use those suits.

For Kovalev and his defenders, one observation. I can't recall another fight ever where there was so much whining, excuses, delusions,conspiracies, complete emotional breakdowns and childish contempt for a result. It reeks of insincerity when all you crybabies picked Kov by easy KO and were proven completely wrong, undeniably wrong, and come up with every single excuse possible as to why reality didn't fit into your plans. There is a large contingent of fake confident fans who,if there was any truth to that confidence at all, they'd be quite relaxed and laugh it off since they are fighting again in days and since it was so "easy" the first time & the guy that lol lost is so superior there should be very little to worry about. But much like your views on the first fight, that is not the truth. You all know there's a good chance the same result will happen. Hence the saltiness. The best thing to do would be rest easy, dry your tears,and hope Kovalev shows up for an entire fight this time instead of just half of one.

Lots think Ward's body work is what dropped Kov's rate... i expect him to work harder this time and get a clearer win than the first time.

SFW wrote:For Kovalev and his defenders, one observation. I can't recall another fight ever where there was so much whining, excuses, delusions,conspiracies, complete emotional breakdowns and childish contempt for a result. It reeks of insincerity when all you crybabies picked Kov by easy KO and were proven completely wrong, undeniably wrong, and come up with every single excuse possible as to why reality didn't fit into your plans. There is a large contingent of fake confident fans who,if there was any truth to that confidence at all, they'd be quite relaxed and laugh it off since they are fighting again in days and since it was so "easy" the first time & the guy that lol lost is so superior there should be very little to worry about. But much like your views on the first fight, that is not the truth. You all know there's a good chance the same result will happen. Hence the saltiness. The best thing to do would be rest easy, dry your tears,and hope Kovalev shows up for an entire fight this time instead of just half of one.

What a stupid motherf*cker.

I'm quite anxious about this fight. To me its the boxer vs the anti boxer. The stronger fundamentals vs the bag of tricks.

It's not the fight it was 6 months ago. Ward was the favourite, was the invulnerable one, hadn't lost a fight since he was 12, hadn't lost a round and had barely lost a minute of a round as touted by HBO. Following the fight a campaign of psychological warfare was enacted. Kovalev the alcoholic, John David Jacksons allegiance, Russia vs America, Wards retirement, the list goes on.

I want to believe that the stronger boxing fundamentals prevail and I recognise them in the Russian. Thats what type of world I want to believe in. But of the ref, but of Kovalev's adjustments, but of Ward motivation having been promised a sponge bath by Virgil Hunter should he win. I had Kovalev winning a close decision in the points game on this site. I was correct. I call that again.

P.S: I think the promoters have all done us a favour putting Ridondeaux on the card. At least those with kids will be able to put them to bed and we can do some chores around the house before the main event.

boxing_rocks wrote:

SFW wrote:For Kovalev and his defenders, one observation. I can't recall another fight ever where there was so much whining, excuses, delusions,conspiracies, complete emotional breakdowns and childish contempt for a result. It reeks of insincerity when all you crybabies picked Kov by easy KO and were proven completely wrong, undeniably wrong, and come up with every single excuse possible as to why reality didn't fit into your plans. There is a large contingent of fake confident fans who,if there was any truth to that confidence at all, they'd be quite relaxed and laugh it off since they are fighting again in days and since it was so "easy" the first time & the guy that lol lost is so superior there should be very little to worry about. But much like your views on the first fight, that is not the truth. You all know there's a good chance the same result will happen. Hence the saltiness. The best thing to do would be rest easy, dry your tears,and hope Kovalev shows up for an entire fight this time instead of just half of one.

What a stupid motherf*cker.

I hope this next loss stings as much as the first. Cheers

SFW wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

SFW wrote:For Kovalev and his defenders, one observation. I can't recall another fight ever where there was so much whining, excuses, delusions,conspiracies, complete emotional breakdowns and childish contempt for a result. It reeks of insincerity when all you crybabies picked Kov by easy KO and were proven completely wrong, undeniably wrong, and come up with every single excuse possible as to why reality didn't fit into your plans. There is a large contingent of fake confident fans who,if there was any truth to that confidence at all, they'd be quite relaxed and laugh it off since they are fighting again in days and since it was so "easy" the first time & the guy that lol lost is so superior there should be very little to worry about. But much like your views on the first fight, that is not the truth. You all know there's a good chance the same result will happen. Hence the saltiness. The best thing to do would be rest easy, dry your tears,and hope Kovalev shows up for an entire fight this time instead of just half of one.

What a stupid motherf*cker.[/quote

I hope this next loss stings as much as the first. Cheers

What SFW said is right on. It seems to me that you are the stupid motherfucker boxingrocks.

Badhusker wrote:

SFW wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
What a stupid motherf*cker.[/quote

I hope this next loss stings as much as the first. Cheers

What SFW said is right on. It seems to me that you are the stupid motherfucker boxingrocks.

What one motherf*cker (SFW) said and another motherf*cker (Badhusker) supported is a bunch of garbage. Overwhelming majority of specialists and fans think that Kovalev won, and a few motherf*ckers trying to play psychologists doesn't change anything.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote: Kovalev's win would be most probable if 4 randomly selected boxing experts were used as a ref and judges.

Like the ones Kathy Duva agreed to using in the first fight... or the vast majority of Kovalev's career?

What was used before the Ward fight doesn't matter, as there was only one competitive fight before that.

Your "logic" is like telling a swimmer who has never had a competition suit before that he doesn't need it on a higher level even though everybody else will use those suits.

The only person you’re arguing with is a “strawman”, since nobody (especially not me) has suggested anything that bears any resemblance to your words.

All I’m suggesting is that Kathy Duva has been is the sport for 39 years (as per her persistent boasts)… and she’s only now decided to feign outrage about a practice that her family has incessantly employed for all of her fighters during the entire existence of Main Events.

Then again, it’s not unusual for merely casual fight fans to make bold derogatory proclamations on the basis of a miniscule sample of controversial fights, whilst flatly-refusing to consider all of the real-world facts.

boxing_rocks wrote:Overwhelming majority of specialists and fans think that Kovalev won, and a few motherf*ckers trying to play psychologists doesn't change anything.

It only took me about five minutes to ascertain the opinion of "a few motherf*cker" "specialists" that believed that Andre Ward deserved his victory over Sergey Kovalev:

• Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing): 115-112 Ward
• Adam Smith (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
• BS: 114-113 Ward
• Branson Wright (The Plain Dealer): 114-113 Ward
• Brian Campbell (ESPN): 114-113 Ward
• Danny Richardson (Script Media): 115-112 Ward
• Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 114-113 Ward
• Eddie Hearn (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
• George Willis (NY Post): 114-113 Ward
• Kevin Iole (Yahoo Sports): 114-113 Ward
• Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Ward
• Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBS Sports): 114-113 Ward
• Mark Butcher (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Ward
• Mark Ortega (Freelance): 115-112 Ward
• Matthew Macklin (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
• Michael Rosenthal (Ring Magazine): 114-113 Ward
• Mike Coppinger (USA Today): 114-113 Ward
• New York Post Online: 114-113 Ward
• Paul Smith (Sky Sports): 115-112 Ward
• Paulie Malignaggi (Sky Sports): 116-112 Ward
• Phil D. Jay (WBN – World Boxing News): 114-113 Ward
• Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds): 114-113 Ward
• Spencer Fearon (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
• The Ring: 114-113 Ward
• Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 114-113 Ward
• USA Today: 114-113, Ward
• Wolfgang Schiffbauer (German Freelancer): 114-113 Ward
• WorldBoxingNews: 114-113 Ward
• Yahoo! Sports: 114-113, Ward
• Steve Bunce (The Independent): Ward
• Ishe Smith (Fight-Hype): Ward

Whilst I cannot deny that many believed that Kovalev was deprived of a victory, there is also an undeniably large contingent of boxing “specialists” (your words) that claim that Ward deserved his win, which is only typical for an evenly-contested bout where there were a few swing rounds.

Simply put: you’re embellishing the situation to preposterous levels!

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Overwhelming majority of specialists and fans think that Kovalev won, and a few motherf*ckers trying to play psychologists doesn't change anything.

It only took me about five minutes to ascertain the opinion of "a few motherf*cker" "specialists" that believed that Andre Ward deserved his victory over Sergey Kovalev:

• Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing): 115-112 Ward
• Adam Smith (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
• BS: 114-113 Ward
• Branson Wright (The Plain Dealer): 114-113 Ward
• Brian Campbell (ESPN): 114-113 Ward
• Danny Richardson (Script Media): 115-112 Ward
• Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 114-113 Ward
• Eddie Hearn (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
• George Willis (NY Post): 114-113 Ward
• Kevin Iole (Yahoo Sports): 114-113 Ward
• Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Ward
• Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBS Sports): 114-113 Ward
• Mark Butcher (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Ward
• Mark Ortega (Freelance): 115-112 Ward
• Matthew Macklin (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
• Michael Rosenthal (Ring Magazine): 114-113 Ward
• Mike Coppinger (USA Today): 114-113 Ward
• New York Post Online: 114-113 Ward
• Paul Smith (Sky Sports): 115-112 Ward
• Paulie Malignaggi (Sky Sports): 116-112 Ward
• Phil D. Jay (WBN – World Boxing News): 114-113 Ward
• Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds): 114-113 Ward
• Spencer Fearon (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
• The Ring: 114-113 Ward
• Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 114-113 Ward
• USA Today: 114-113, Ward
• Wolfgang Schiffbauer (German Freelancer): 114-113 Ward
• WorldBoxingNews: 114-113 Ward
• Yahoo! Sports: 114-113, Ward
• Steve Bunce (The Independent): Ward
• Ishe Smith (Fight-Hype): Ward

Whilst I cannot deny that many believed that Kovalev was deprived of a victory, there is also an undeniably large contingent of boxing “specialists” (your words) that claim that Ward deserved his win, which is only typical for an evenly-contested bout where there were a few swing rounds.

Simply put: you’re embellishing the situation to preposterous levels!

Jesus man, you hit him with 2 four syllable words, he's probably reeling. We're gonna have to get him one of those helmets again.