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why dont the top cubans turn pro??

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 17:53
by beduff
why not?

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 17:54
by bennie
Because it's a Communist country.

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 18:06
by neil r
some do. some make it to florida or somewhere similar. claim asylum or defect. not many though. cuban amateur boxers if succesful are treated like gods. they can have amazing luxurious lifestyles (by cuban standards). guys like felix savon, tefelio stevenson etc. it was reported that felix savon turned down an offer near 25m dollars by don king to fight tyson. that goes to show the traditions they feel they are upholding by staying true to the 'amateur' game in cuba.

aspiring boxers are taught almost militarily, sent to camps etc if they show great promise.

oh and castro banned pro boxing in 1961.

if your interested theres a xracking book by john duncan about amateur boxing in cuba called 'in the red corner'

viva fidel, viva cuba, viva the revolution!!

one of the things i always felt i missed out on during my days at university was the fact i never had a che guevara poster... so i think ill take the opportunity now!!

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viva che

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 18:12
by steve689
As my Havana tour guide Julio informed me on my Cuban trip two years ago:

"Fidel Castro don't want"

End of story :oops:

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 18:27
by neil r
ive often toyed with the idea of going to live in cuba at some point. flog the flat, pay off debts, other exes.should leave me with around 40 000 to play with. mate of mine just come back not too long ago said it would be possibly to live very well for that amount of money for a year or two as long as one doesnt get to excessive.

imagine... what a life. and your very own nubile young dusky cuban handmaiden. rolling the finest cigars to perfection on her firm brown thighs. ahhhhh its got to be better than going to my local sommerfield for five hamlet!! :lol:

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 18:31
by adamiw
It's a shame....i'm sure top 100 lists of greatest pro boxers of all time would look a lot different if Cuban's turned pro.

You get some who manage to get on a raft and out of the country. Casamayor i think left his family behind!

There's a very good program i saw on national geographic (i think) about Cuban boxing...not sure if they are still showing it...well worth watching.

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 18:42
by steve689
Joel Casamayor is not a popular Cuban, one old man spat on the floor when i mentioned his name. As for moving there neil, you have to go through a lot of bartering with Fidel to own property there mate, even the nationals property is government part owned.

Cubans are restricted from leaving the country and have to apply to own a passport, when they do apply they go through a costly and strenuous process and are 9 times out of 10 rejected and never refunded. Hence the quick exits and crazy swims to Florida :TU:

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 18:46
by neil r
steve689 wrote: As for moving there neil, you have to go through a lot of bartering with Fidel to own property there mate
such as a pair of levis, a couple of packets of malboro and some beatles albums?? or have the aspirations of those living in repressed communist countries moved on somewhat?

besides i would be very adamant about the cigar rolling handmaiden!!

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:06
by tonyevs
adamiw wrote: There's a very good program i saw on national geographic (i think) about Cuban boxing...not sure if they are still showing it...well worth watching.

If it’s the same one I watched, it features heavily the great Felix Savon, great insight.
Also showed how the young see themselves, far from the repressed youth they would be expected to be, they were very knowledgeable of the outside world.

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:08
by Matchfixer
I saw a picture recently (may have been a link from on eof these topics) featuring Muhammed Ali "sparring" against either Felix Savon or Teofilo Stevenson. It might have just been a promotional thing. Can anyone here taell me more about it?

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:20
by steve689
tonyevs wrote:
adamiw wrote: There's a very good program i saw on national geographic (i think) about Cuban boxing...not sure if they are still showing it...well worth watching.

If it’s the same one I watched, it features heavily the great Felix Savon, great insight.
Also showed how the young see themselves, far from the repressed youth they would be expected to be, they were very knowledgeable of the outside world.
Surprisingly Fidel is very shit hot on education for all, all schooling from primary to university is free and there are better percentage rates of doctors and nurses to patients than over here...here is 500 or so patients to a doctor, over there 140 patients to a doctor. Despite there hardships they are a very friendly and knowledgable nation of people...Savon turned down £10,000,000 for a big USA superfight to stay in Cuba where he now trains amateurs for £12 a month :(

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:20
by maverick
adamiw:
There's a very good program i saw on national geographic (i think) about Cuban boxing...not sure if they are still showing it...well worth watching.
The documentary is "Boxeo Cuban" produced by sabotage films I believe and it was screened on the discovery channel. I agree, very good viewing.

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:38
by neil r
maverick wrote:adamiw:
There's a very good program i saw on national geographic (i think) about Cuban boxing...not sure if they are still showing it...well worth watching.
The documentary is "Boxeo Cuban" produced by sabotage films I believe and it was screened on the discovery channel. I agree, very good viewing.
http://www.sabotage-films.com/projectto ... wd=jackson there we go.. bit of a duff link really!

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:48
by adamiw
neil r wrote:
maverick wrote:adamiw:
There's a very good program i saw on national geographic (i think) about Cuban boxing...not sure if they are still showing it...well worth watching.
The documentary is "Boxeo Cuban" produced by sabotage films I believe and it was screened on the discovery channel. I agree, very good viewing.
http://www.sabotage-films.com/projectto ... wd=jackson there we go.. bit of a duff link really!
check out the fit bird:

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and yes...i do mean the one on the right...she's hot!

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:51
by tonyevs
steve689 wrote:
tonyevs wrote:
adamiw wrote: There's a very good program i saw on national geographic (i think) about Cuban boxing...not sure if they are still showing it...well worth watching.

If it’s the same one I watched, it features heavily the great Felix Savon, great insight.
Also showed how the young see themselves, far from the repressed youth they would be expected to be, they were very knowledgeable of the outside world.
Surprisingly Fidel is very shit hot on education for all, all schooling from primary to university is free and there are better percentage rates of doctors and nurses to patients than over here...here is 500 or so patients to a doctor, over there 140 patients to a doctor. Despite there hardships they are a very friendly and knowledgable nation of people...Savon turned down £10,000,000 for a big USA superfight to stay in Cuba where he now trains amateurs for £12 a month :(
Isn’t that a fantastic advert for the Cuban way of thinking..

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:52
by neil r
adamiw wrote:
neil r wrote:
maverick wrote:adamiw: The documentary is "Boxeo Cuban" produced by sabotage films I believe and it was screened on the discovery channel. I agree, very good viewing.
http://www.sabotage-films.com/projectto ... wd=jackson there we go.. bit of a duff link really!
check out the fit bird:

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and yes...i do mean the one on the right...she's hot!
the one on the right? you are joking. she only seems hot cos she looks like shes been burned :wink:

Posted: 24 Aug 2004, 19:54
by adamiw
lol....i tried to avoid someone coming back with a predicatable joke and i fucked up lol. It's late, i got confused...but i most definitely mean the fit blonde on the LEFT.

Now....i'll go to bed.