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After watching Kovalev robbed VS Ward in the 1st fight, then low blow KO'd in the second, along with hundreds of other robberies over the years. Non-American boxers like Vasyl Lomachenko, GGG, even Canelo Alvarez for instance need to realize how biased the system is in American boxing. If you're ever fighting a backed American fighter, you've got *no chance* of getting a decision win or receiving fair officiating. The only way you can win the fight as a foreigner is by KO.

Foreign fighters need to seriously boycott the USA. Euro guys like Kovalev and GGG and Lomachenko would be better off basing themselves in Germany, Russia, or even the UK and fighting Americans in neutral locations.

You will not get a fair shake in the USA as a foreigner as has been proven hundreds of times by now.

Lomachenko and GGG need to pack up and leave ASAP otherwise Kovalev's ending will be the same as theirs. The outright corruption is not even hidden anymore. Foreigners have been getting ripped off in the US for years, and to be honest the only solution is to not fight there in the future.

Andrew Kearney wrote:After watching Kovalev robbed VS Ward in the 1st fight, then low blow KO'd in the second, along with hundreds of other robberies over the years. Non-American boxers like Vasyl Lomachenko, GGG, even Canelo Alvarez for instance need to realize how biased the system is in American boxing. If you're ever fighting a backed American fighter, you've got *no chance* of getting a decision win or receiving fair officiating. The only way you can win the fight as a foreigner is by KO.

Foreign fighters need to seriously boycott the USA. Euro guys like Kovalev and GGG and Lomachenko would be better off basing themselves in Germany, Russia, or even the UK and fighting Americans in neutral locations.

You will not get a fair shake in the USA as a foreigner as has been proven hundreds of times by now.

Lomachenko and GGG need to pack up and leave ASAP otherwise Kovalev's ending will be the same as theirs. The outright corruption is not even hidden anymore. Foreigners have been getting ripped off in the US for years, and to be honest the only solution is to not fight there in the future.

Why didn't GGG get robbed vs Jacobs?

Yeah because every Non-American Boxer that ever fought here got screwed every time they ever fought.

Oh wait...no they didn't.

There were fight fans that thought Daniel Jacobs deserved the decision over Golovkin...they were wrong, but they existed. If any Non-American couldn't get a fair shake here GGG would've lost. He didn't, because he got a fair shake.

There have been many Non-American Boxers that have enjoyed great success here, and had their share of fans too. Fight fans in this country generally don't tend to give a sh*t where you're from. They like you or they don't for other reasons.

Kovalev would probably still attract as much attention to his next fight as Ward will because he's a more entertaining fighter to watch.

Vegas is clearly a racket.

I think British boxing is often just as bad to be honest. In Vegas, it's the same small pool of officials; Bayless, Weeks, Moretti, Feldman, Lederman.

In the UK it's the same old boys club; Ian John-Lewis, Terry O'Conner, Howard Foster.


I've seen all of these guys put in utterly inept ref performances and score-cards, yet the only time i ever recall there being any repercussions was when CJ Ross filed that 114-114 card in Canelo vs Floyd. Funny that. Her Bradley-Pac card was worse, and actually affected the outcome of the fight, and she survived. Don't F with Floyd, though.

Ricky_ wrote:Vegas is clearly a racket.

I think British boxing is often just as bad to be honest. In Vegas, it's the same small pool of officials; Bayless, Weeks, Moretti, Feldman, Lederman.

In the UK it's the same old boys club; Ian John-Lewis, Terry O'Conner, Howard Foster.


I've seen all of these guys put in utterly inept ref performances and score-cards, yet the only time i ever recall there being any repercussions was when CJ Ross filed that 114-114 card in Canelo vs Floyd. Funny that. Her Bradley-Pac card was worse, and actually affected the outcome of the fight, and she survived. Don't F with Floyd, though.

Boxing has it's share of questionable officiating in every corner of the globe that it takes place in. You can't escape from Boxing controversy anywhere in the world. There might be less of it here, or more of it there, but anywhere there's boxing there's controversial moments.

Nice excuses I am from europe myself and those shits happens everywhere . In Russia , Germany and UK

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Vegas is clearly a racket.

I think British boxing is often just as bad to be honest. In Vegas, it's the same small pool of officials; Bayless, Weeks, Moretti, Feldman, Lederman.

In the UK it's the same old boys club; Ian John-Lewis, Terry O'Conner, Howard Foster.


I've seen all of these guys put in utterly inept ref performances and score-cards, yet the only time i ever recall there being any repercussions was when CJ Ross filed that 114-114 card in Canelo vs Floyd. Funny that. Her Bradley-Pac card was worse, and actually affected the outcome of the fight, and she survived. Don't F with Floyd, though.

Boxing has it's share of questionable officiating in every corner of the globe that it takes place in. You can't escape from Boxing controversy anywhere in the world. There might be less of it here, or more of it there, but anywhere there's boxing there's controversial moments.

There's simply no excuse for using the same set of officials over and over again at world-title level, high grossing fights.

Dave Moretti judged something like 7 of Floyd's last 8 fights. What a fuckin joke!

There should be a pool of around 100+ referees and judges from all over the world available for this. The fight game tops the rich list of sports stars every year, from Ali to Tyson to Oscar to Floyd... you can't tell me that the sanctioning bodies can't pay to fly in a few highly ranked judges from neutral countries, pay them, and pick up the hotel bill?

IronFrost wrote:Nice excuses I am from europe myself and those shits happens everywhere . In Russia , Germany and UK

Where in europe are you from?

Ricky_ wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Vegas is clearly a racket.

I think British boxing is often just as bad to be honest. In Vegas, it's the same small pool of officials; Bayless, Weeks, Moretti, Feldman, Lederman.

In the UK it's the same old boys club; Ian John-Lewis, Terry O'Conner, Howard Foster.


I've seen all of these guys put in utterly inept ref performances and score-cards, yet the only time i ever recall there being any repercussions was when CJ Ross filed that 114-114 card in Canelo vs Floyd. Funny that. Her Bradley-Pac card was worse, and actually affected the outcome of the fight, and she survived. Don't F with Floyd, though.

Boxing has it's share of questionable officiating in every corner of the globe that it takes place in. You can't escape from Boxing controversy anywhere in the world. There might be less of it here, or more of it there, but anywhere there's boxing there's controversial moments.

There's simply no excuse for using the same set of officials over and over again at world-title level, high grossing fights.

Dave Moretti judged something like 7 of Floyd's last 8 fights. What a fuckin joke!

There should be a pool of around 100+ referees and judges from all over the world available for this. The fight game tops the rich list of sports stars every year, from Ali to Tyson to Oscar to Floyd... you can't tell me that the sanctioning bodies can't pay to fly in a few highly ranked judges from neutral countries, pay them, and pick up the hotel bill?

How many people do you think are into the sport enough that they ever attempt to become a referee or a judge? Very few people actually even think about going for that job, so no...there's probably not a pool of 100's of referees from all over the world to use. There's probably not a whole lot of referees or judges out there to be honest.

I'm about to look into becoming one myself though. I don't like questionable officiating in the sport either, and I think I could do better. In time I'll prove it.

Brook beating Porter, Degale beating Dirrell, Degale drawing with Jack and G3 beating Jacobs are a few pretty recent fights that make the OP wrong.

Ricky_ wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Vegas is clearly a racket.

I think British boxing is often just as bad to be honest. In Vegas, it's the same small pool of officials; Bayless, Weeks, Moretti, Feldman, Lederman.

In the UK it's the same old boys club; Ian John-Lewis, Terry O'Conner, Howard Foster.


I've seen all of these guys put in utterly inept ref performances and score-cards, yet the only time i ever recall there being any repercussions was when CJ Ross filed that 114-114 card in Canelo vs Floyd. Funny that. Her Bradley-Pac card was worse, and actually affected the outcome of the fight, and she survived. Don't F with Floyd, though.

Boxing has it's share of questionable officiating in every corner of the globe that it takes place in. You can't escape from Boxing controversy anywhere in the world. There might be less of it here, or more of it there, but anywhere there's boxing there's controversial moments.

There's simply no excuse for using the same set of officials over and over again at world-title level, high grossing fights.

Dave Moretti judged something like 7 of Floyd's last 8 fights. What a fuckin joke!

There should be a pool of around 100+ referees and judges from all over the world available for this. The fight game tops the rich list of sports stars every year, from Ali to Tyson to Oscar to Floyd... you can't tell me that the sanctioning bodies can't pay to fly in a few highly ranked judges from neutral countries, pay them, and pick up the hotel bill?

They have to be licensed in that state. I doubt judges make much at all. I certainly wouldn't trust people being flown in and put up in posh hotels. I definitely am sick of the same incompetent names.

Malinaggi said US promoters sign non-American fighters.
Foreign promoters rarely sign US fighters.
He's actually negotiated deals in boxing and seems to be a straight shooter.

I think GGG got the "hometown" benefit (not robbery) in a fight that could have gone either way in Jacobs actual home city.

I think this reaction by Kovalev fans is childish. Making this out to be Bowe/Golata.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Malinaggi said US promoters sign non-American fighters.
Foreign promoters rarely sign US fighters.
He's actually negotiated deals in boxing and seems to be a straight shooter.

I think GGG got the "hometown" benefit (not robbery) in a fight that could have gone either way in Jacobs actual home city.

I think this reaction by Kovalev fans is childish. Making this out to be Bowe/Golata.

The fight with Jacobs was a close one, but Golovkin legitimately deserved it.

I was thinking about being a pro boxing judge. In order to do that in the United States, you have to be a judge in the state you live in. Since I live in Florida, the rules of the Florida State Boxing Commission is that in order to apply, you have to judge at least two years at the amateur level. After thinking about it more, I decided not to do it. I think I would be a very competent judge though. I was at the IBF Convention and went to the judges meeting. We were watching a fight that Teddy Atlas was commentating. Atlas was so blatantly biased in the commentating, but I still unofficially scored it for the boxer that should have won. Two of the judges were biased in that fight, so the boxer that should have won lost by a split decision. Not everyone was watching the Atlas commentary though. Half the people in the room were told to go to another room. They watched different commentary which was unbiased. Most of the judges in both rooms unofficially scored for the boxer that should have won, but there were a few judges watching the fight with Atlas as the commentator who scored it for the boxer that Atlas was praising. They were obviously influenced by Atlas and these are professional IBF judges. I just think it would take several years for me to get an opportunity to judge a fight of the major sanctioning bodies. I likely would be just judging fights in Florida and it is not steady work. I talked to a pro referee there and he told me not to quit my day job. I also am concerned about the decline in the popularity of the sport, so I'm not sure becoming a pro boxing referee would be the right career move. Regarding the thread, I think there is definitely bias in certain areas of the world and Las Vegas is one of them for boxing.

Probably because the boxer lives in the US, trains here, has fought 80+ % of his fights here, and has been a citizen for at least 2 years.

Andrew Kearney wrote:After watching Kovalev robbed VS Ward in the 1st fight, then low blow KO'd in the second, along with hundreds of other robberies over the years. Non-American boxers like Vasyl Lomachenko, GGG, even Canelo Alvarez for instance need to realize how biased the system is in American boxing. If you're ever fighting a backed American fighter, you've got *no chance* of getting a decision win or receiving fair officiating. The only way you can win the fight as a foreigner is by KO.

Foreign fighters need to seriously boycott the USA. Euro guys like Kovalev and GGG and Lomachenko would be better off basing themselves in Germany, Russia, or even the UK and fighting Americans in neutral locations.

You will not get a fair shake in the USA as a foreigner as has been proven hundreds of times by now.

Lomachenko and GGG need to pack up and leave ASAP otherwise Kovalev's ending will be the same as theirs. The outright corruption is not even hidden anymore. Foreigners have been getting ripped off in the US for years, and to be honest the only solution is to not fight there in the future.

Dude. You realize that the Canelo/Mayweather fight was in the US right? And one of the cards was 114-114.

I understand dude. You have some aggression and irritation from this weekend's fight and have to place it somewhere.