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"WBO Prez: Saunders-Murata Possible - Lemieux Gets Winner"

BS.com caught up with WBO President Paco Valcárcel to get an update on Saunders next mandatory opponent.

Valcárcel said that they will allow Saunders to take an interim fight and that after that fight the winner will have to fulfill their mandatory obligation.

According to Valcarcel, Olympic gold medal winner Ryota Murata (12-1, 9 KOs) is right now the likely next opponent for Saunders.

"Billy Joe Saunders is negotiating with Ryota Murata from Japan. Then next in line is (David) Lemieux as the the mandatory challenger but now that they have a show set up, they have requested a voluntary and we are considering that. The winner would have to fight Lemieux next," Valcárcel told BS.com.

Murata lost a controversial split decision to Hassan N'Dam in May in a bid to win the WBA interim middleweight title. There was a rematch ordered by the WBA, but Murata's co-promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank, was very reluctant about the idea of giving N'Dam another payday.

Based on my superficial understanding of the situation, it appears very unlikely that the winner of the 16th September super-fight between Canelo and Golovkin is highly-unlikely to obtain an opportunity to unify all the middleweight belts in the short-term, due to the fact that the 160lbs WBO world title schedule is pretty much planned-out for the next twelve months.

Thoughts?

wasting away his career

littlepug wrote:wasting away his career

Have you made any attempt to follow Saunders' career? Do you know the reasons for his inactivity since the start of 2016 or are you merely citing the commonly-held misconceptions of the BoxRec forum community?

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze has only just been arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

Enlightened-One wrote:

littlepug wrote:wasting away his career

Have you made any attempt to follow Saunders' career? Do you know the reasons for his inactivity since the start of 2016 or are you merely citing the commonly-held misconceptions of the BoxRec forum community?

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze has only just been arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

im sure better opponents than murata and that last fella he fought could of been found, that's poor opposition for a world champ and don't give me the old "everybody does it line" because it doesn't wash, world champions shouldn't need soft defences nor should the public put up with it especially when hes chasing a super fight, you want the big fights billy ? then fecking earn one!

littlepug wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

littlepug wrote:wasting away his career

Have you made any attempt to follow Saunders' career? Do you know the reasons for his inactivity since the start of 2016 or are you merely citing the commonly-held misconceptions of the BoxRec forum community?

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze has only just been arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

im sure better opponents than murata and that last fella he fought could of been found, that's poor opposition for a world champ and don't give me the old "everybody does it line" because it doesn't wash, world champions shouldn't need soft defences nor should the public put up with it especially when hes chasing a super fight, you want the big fights billy ? then fecking earn one!

Yeah a better opponent than Murata...maybe N'Dam...;)

Murata will not take this fight when he rematch N'dam at home with a almost a guaranteed win.

world ranked wrote:Murata will not take this fight when he rematch N'dam at home with a almost a guaranteed win.

Guaranteed? Japan isn't Vegas.

world ranked wrote:Murata will not take this fight when he rematch N'dam at home with a almost a guaranteed win.

Did you read the first post in this thread?

Blodhemn wrote:

world ranked wrote:Murata will not take this fight when he rematch N'dam at home with a almost a guaranteed win.

Guaranteed? Japan isn't Vegas.

Did you read the first post in this thread?

Enlightened-One wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:

world ranked wrote:Murata will not take this fight when he rematch N'dam at home with a almost a guaranteed win.

Guaranteed? Japan isn't Vegas.

Did you read the first post in this thread?

Yeah this fight isn't happening.

Enlightened-One wrote:

littlepug wrote:wasting away his career

Have you made any attempt to follow Saunders' career? Do you know the reasons for his inactivity since the start of 2016 or are you merely citing the commonly-held misconceptions of the BoxRec forum community?

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze has only just been arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

Khurtsidze has been a mandatory for a long time. Saunders had all opportunities to fight him. BJS would likely not have his "injuries" if he didn't gain so much fat.

Failed negotiations with 3 different parties? Whose fault could it be?

Why not fight Lemieux right away?

Blodhemn wrote:

world ranked wrote:Murata will not take this fight when he rematch N'dam at home with a almost a guaranteed win.

Guaranteed? Japan isn't Vegas.

Japan is by far the most legit spot for fair boxing.

boxing_rocks wrote:Khurtsidze has been a mandatory for a long time. Saunders had all opportunities to fight him. BJS would likely not have his "injuries" if he didn't gain so much fat.

Failed negotiations with 3 different parties? Whose fault could it be?

It’s abundantly clear that you know absolutely fornicate all about boxing? Do you not find it embarrassing that you keep challenging my knowledge, yet you always fall flat on your face?

Here are the facts:

It was only the 27th January 2017 when Saunders was officially ordered by the WBO to face Khurtsidze, since Canelo was previously the mandatory challenger to the Brit’s title the month prior.

Saunders’ promoter actually had to pay Khurtsidze a six-figure step-aside fee, coupled with having to agree to stage a bout for the Georgian against Tommy Langford for the WBO interim title, in order to get him to agree to step aside to allow Billy Joe to face Gennady Golovkin instead, but the Kazakh ended-up “losing his pen”.

Therefore, Avtandil Khurtsidze’s delay in getting a shot at Saunders was primarily due to K2. However, the ‘Mini Mike Tyson’ shot himself in the foot with all of his criminal activities outside the ring.

Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly he held responsible for the Khurtsidze & Golovkin situations!

The previous year, Fwank Warren had also attempted to negotiate a deal with Oscar De La Hoya that would involve Billy Joe Saunders appearing on the undercard of the Canelo-Smith bout, which was subject to certain conditions, with a view for the WBO champ to face the winner of that bout:
• Queensberry Promotions would pick the opponent
• Fwank Warren paid for Saunders’ purse, but would receive financial contribution from GBP to pay for his opponent’s purse
• Golden Boy had to guarantee that the winner of this fight would be next in line to face Canelo

Here are the reasons why Fwank Warren declined to allow Saunders to face Rosado:
• Billy Joe had not committed himself to agree to fight on the Canelo-Smith undercard
• Gabriel Rosado was picked by Oscar De La Hoya and was not included in the list of opponents that GBP & Queensberry had originally discussed. Fwank Warren was actually supposed to pick the opponent, but he wasn't given the opportunity
• GBP’s contribution towards the purses of Saunders & Rosado was insufficient, resulting in a greater financial outlay for Queensberry Promotions
• Golden Boy Promotions refused to provide a written guarantee that the winner of the Saunders-Rosado fight would actually be next in line to face Canelo

Coincidentally, Willie Monroe Jr. replaced Saunders and faced Gabriel Rosado instead, with the bout being promoted as the winner being Canelo’s next opponent. There are multiple YouTube videos of Monroe Jr. and Rosado explaining the importance of their fight, due to the financial benefits of facing Canelo. Even the TV commentators and the media had covered the very same narrative.

And guess what happened? Willie Monroe Jr. defeated Gabriel Rosado, but never received a shot at Canelo! I guess that’s the consequences of not requesting GBP’s promises to be committed in writing.

During December 2016, GBP actually lobbied the WBO to instate Canelo as Billy Joe Saunders’ mandatory challenger, which they agreed to do. So the Brit was temporarily obliged to face Oscar De Lay Hoya’s Mexican cash cow, but Alvarez very quickly changed his mind and renounced his status, preferring to face Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. instead.

Ultimately, Billy Joe Saunders had absolutely no fúckíng control whatsoever to do about the fact that he wasn’t able to secure a bout against Canelo!

Enlightened-One wrote:

littlepug wrote:wasting away his career

Have you made any attempt to follow Saunders' career? Do you know the reasons for his inactivity since the start of 2016 or are you merely citing the commonly-held misconceptions of the BoxRec forum community?

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze has only just been arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

injuries lol, the geezer just can't keep his weight down the fat fornicate

Marlo Stanfield wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

littlepug wrote:wasting away his career

Have you made any attempt to follow Saunders' career? Do you know the reasons for his inactivity since the start of 2016 or are you merely citing the commonly-held misconceptions of the BoxRec forum community?

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze has only just been arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

injuries lol, the geezer just can't keep his weight down the fat eff

Apart from a lengthy period of inactivity during 2016, partly due to injuries and multiple prospective opponents letting him down (through no fault of his own), Billy Joe Saunders was a fairly active boxer and did not struggle with his weight.

I don't think you really know enough about the man to criticise him, so I'll laugh at your lack of knowledge, whilst you laugh about a fictional situation instead.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:

world ranked wrote:Murata will not take this fight when he rematch N'dam at home with a almost a guaranteed win.

Guaranteed? Japan isn't Vegas.

Japan is by far the most legit spot for fair boxing.

I'm not speak judges I'm speaking Murata really won clearly the first time and its an easier fight for him than Saunders was my point not the judging.

Khurtsidze was available even before Canelo got into the WBO picture by beating Liam Smith. You don't need to be ordered "officially" to fight a top ranking opponent.

world ranked wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Blodhemn wrote: Guaranteed? Japan isn't Vegas.

Japan is by far the most legit spot for fair boxing.

I'm not speak judges I'm speaking Murata really won clearly the first time and its an easier fight for him than Saunders was my point not the judging.

My point was responding to the other poster.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Japan is by far the most legit spot for fair boxing.

Even back in Pride their way of scoring the fight as a whole, with bonus to the more active fighter, led to few robberies. Though, they let Sakuraba take legendary beatings in hope of a miraculous comeback win. Great times.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

littlepug wrote:wasting away his career

Have you made any attempt to follow Saunders' career? Do you know the reasons for his inactivity since the start of 2016 or are you merely citing the commonly-held misconceptions of the BoxRec forum community?

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze has only just been arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

Khurtsidze has been a mandatory for a long time. Saunders had all opportunities to fight him. BJS would likely not have his "injuries" if he didn't gain so much fat.

Failed negotiations with 3 different parties? Whose fault could it be?

All being said, he's fit now, so fcuking fight a live opponent.

Blodhemn wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Japan is by far the most legit spot for fair boxing.

Even back in Pride their way of scoring the fight as a whole, with bonus to the more active fighter, led to few robberies. Though, they let Sakuraba take legendary beatings in hope of a miraculous comeback win. Great times.