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They use the same tools to achieve their goal, and those tools mainly include fouling. Ward is just using more fouling. Thoughts ?

Same box of rocks, different day.

Ward is more like Bernard Hopkins, Bika is not subtle in what he does nor is a great boxer, Ward, is a great boxer who uses "borderline " tactics.

This dude will not let go

boxing_rocks wrote:They use the same tools to achieve their goal, and those tools mainly include fouling. Ward is just using more fouling. Thoughts ?

Son of Gonads has the advantage of home referees, Bika did not.

Ward is the dirtiest fighter because the corrupt referees let him get away with it. Maybe someone on Ward's team pays them off?

Ward is a great boxer and Bika is a crappy boxer... Bika may be dirty... He hasn't made it work for him as far as winning World Titles.

What I didn't like is John David Jackson's reaction to all of Ward's low blows... He wasn't real exercised... You have to have a united front when you're filing a protest... All of those stories coming from the Ward camp that JDJ tried to switch sides and underhandedly gave them all of Kovalev's secret training details to try to show them he was sincere in making the switch... Who's lying about that??? ... One side or the other is lying their asses off.

Kovalev may be hard to work with as Able Sanchez said he was... He didn't want to do the routines Sanchez laid out for him... Jackson may have similar problems with him... Kovalev might try it with the Lomachenko team, but I think he needs to make a change whatever he does.

He got f..ked on the money.. The PPV didn't do well in either Ward fight.. He's 34 years old and he's supposed to have been the best Light Heavyweight in the world over the last 5 years in a hot division.. So where is he??? He gave up the money to Hopkins.. He gave up the money to Ward.. He even gave up the money to Cleverly---which was smart because he finally got a title shot.. He's been screwed on the officiating.. Even in the Cleverly fight you saw the referee carrying Cleverly back to his corner after the 3rd round.. Ridiculous!!! You have to have a level playing field. What I'm saying is the people around him haven't helped him get a square deal or become a major box office attraction.. You've got 3 or 4 more years in the game at the most -- you can't waste time.

Yeah, Jackson and Turner clearly weren't on his side. Neutral at best. No reaction to low blows, no talking to the ref after the extremely questionable stoppage.

Was it Bika that Ward hit with that MMA style elbow?

Impractical Poster wrote:Was it Bika that Ward hit with that MMA style elbow?

Yep, at about 3:50 the "master technician" throws an awesome elbow. I bet we would beat McGregor at MMA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1SVvyx8sR0

Man, you guys must really hate Duran, Tyson and barrera.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Man, you guys must really hate Duran, Tyson and barrera.

Nah.. we are just looking for more reasons to hate Ward.

That elbow he shows up there was pretty Jon Jonesish. But to be fair, that was probably the most foul filled fight coming from both sides of recent memory.

@boxing_rocks: If you ever grow up and make a post that isn't pure sh*t, then I will never know about it, because 100% of your posts thus far have been sh*t, and there is no point in reading anything you post anymore. You are just throwing a bitch fit about Kovalev's 2 losses in every single thread, including threads that aren't about light heavyweights, and creating new threads to bitch about it. If you ever decide to say anything that isn't completely idiotic, I suggest you make a new account to say it, because this account has no reputation left.

Lackeos wrote:@boxing_rocks: If you ever grow up and make a post that isn't pure sh*t, then I will never know about it, because 100% of your posts thus far have been sh*t, and there is no point in reading anything you post anymore. You are just throwing a bitch fit about Kovalev's 2 losses in every single thread, including threads that aren't about light heavyweights, and creating new threads to bitch about it. If you ever decide to say anything that isn't completely idiotic, I suggest you make a new account to say it, because this account has no reputation left.

I don't give a f*cking damn what at Lickeos thinks about my posts and my account. Wardiots claim that he is p4p #1, so there is a reason to insert him in many threads like it was with Mayweather. The only unrelated thread I inserted him into was the Wilder one and only because he said that he could fight Joshua. Wardiots were ones who inserted the Son of Satan into a Golovkin thread. And also by the way, this thread is about Ward, and it is the only SOJ related thread I started after the fight. So, shut up and Lick whatever you are licking.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Man, you guys must really hate Duran, Tyson and barrera.

Yep, Duran finishing that Scottish guy with an atrocious low blow after the bell was not pretty. Duran was an entertaining boxer though fouling once in a while, not a spoiler like Ward. The same with the other two.

The Bika/Ward fight was one of the most god awful fights I've ever seen. Should be wiped from all discs, hard drives, etc...

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Man, you guys must really hate Duran, Tyson and barrera.

Yep, Duran finishing that Scottish guy with an atrocious low blow after the bell was not pretty. Duran was an entertaining boxer though fouling once in a while, not a spoiler like Ward. The same with the other two.

Quite a big difference between their execution and Ward's. Those 3 fighters are among the most entertaining fighters of all time. Ward? Not so much. Hell, Marcos Maidana, one of my favorite fighters, could be a bit dirty at times, but I didn't seem to mind it much because he was putting peoples lights out in spectacular fashion. Seems to be a double standard I guess. If the fighter delivers entertainment, the fouling is acceptable. But, if the fighter puts on stinkers, it is condemned.

Impractical Poster wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Man, you guys must really hate Duran, Tyson and barrera.

Yep, Duran finishing that Scottish guy with an atrocious low blow after the bell was not pretty. Duran was an entertaining boxer though fouling once in a while, not a spoiler like Ward. The same with the other two.

Quite a big difference between their execution and Ward's. Those 3 fighters are among the most entertaining fighters of all time. Ward? Not so much. Hell, Marcos Maidana, one of my favorite fighters, could be a bit dirty at times, but I didn't seem to mind it much because he was putting peoples lights out in spectacular fashion. Seems to be a double standard I guess. If the fighter delivers entertainment, the fouling is acceptable. But, if the fighter puts on stinkers, it is condemned.

The other guys had something else to offer in the ring beside "grinding", i.e. fouling. Ward himself accepted that he is not too physically talented. He doesn't have a punch, his chin is average. He had speed at 168, but at 175, his speed is also average. He has to use fouling to win, and he needs friendly refs and judges to allow him to win that way, which is why he has never fought abroad.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Yep, Duran finishing that Scottish guy with an atrocious low blow after the bell was not pretty. Duran was an entertaining boxer though fouling once in a while, not a spoiler like Ward. The same with the other two.

Quite a big difference between their execution and Ward's. Those 3 fighters are among the most entertaining fighters of all time. Ward? Not so much. Hell, Marcos Maidana, one of my favorite fighters, could be a bit dirty at times, but I didn't seem to mind it much because he was putting peoples lights out in spectacular fashion. Seems to be a double standard I guess. If the fighter delivers entertainment, the fouling is acceptable. But, if the fighter puts on stinkers, it is condemned.

The other guys had something else to offer in the ring beside "grinding", i.e. fouling. Ward himself accepted that he is not too physically talented. He doesn't have a punch, his chin is average. He had speed at 168, but at 175, his speed is also average. He has to use fouling to win, and he needs friendly refs and judges to allow him to win that way, which is why he has never fought abroad.

Well, I guess you gotta give it to him for getting it done if he is not too physically talented, doesn't have a punch, and average chin and speed, and gets away with fouling to stop a p4p top 5 boxer.

I don't really believe the ref was in on anything. When it gets close like that, some of the fouls are hard to see and call properly. I do believe Ward incorporates fouling techniques into his arsenal as a back up. And I don't care for it. But, if he can do it in a way that he doesn't get caught... whatchu gunna do?

I definitely don't think he the the most technically skilled fighter in the game today. But, he may be the smartest.