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Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 24 Jun 2017, 04:07
by apollo creed
I think this may be Canelo's main plan i.e trying to overwhelm GGG with combos. People are saying that G has a powerful jab but Canelo has shown that he can dodge a punch and also he's a fighter with a solid beard, so I think he will be able to avoid or take G's jabs. What do you think ?

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 24 Jun 2017, 04:22
by jezzamundo
Canelo will have a decided handspeed advantage, but he will need to get into close-to-mid range to use it. Canelo isn't physically that different than Lemiuex but he has much better defense and a better jab, so I can't quite see GGG dominating with his jab, though it will be a vital weapon if he's going to win. GGG seems to have an iron jaw, but I feel Canelo - like Jacobs - probably hits a little too hard for him to be able to neglect his defense to land power shots like he did against Monroe and Murray. I can also see Canelo hurting GGG to the body - that's the only way I can really see a possibility of GGG being stopped.

In summary, I expect the fight to go the distance and GGG to throw and land more punches, especially jabs, than Canelo. Canelo should steal some close rounds with some flashy upper body movement and combinations, though I expect to see him wobbled at some point. The winner? Canelo by decision seems a very likely outcome, though I wouldn't be at all surprised by a draw that sets up a lucrative rematch. I'll be hoping like hell that GGG knocks him out, though.

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 24 Jun 2017, 05:02
by apollo creed
jezzamundo wrote:Canelo will have a decided handspeed advantage, but he will need to get into close-to-mid range to use it. Canelo isn't physically that different than Lemiuex but he has much better defense and a better jab, so I can't quite see GGG dominating with his jab, though it will be a vital weapon if he's going to win. GGG seems to have an iron jaw, but I feel Canelo - like Jacobs - probably hits a little too hard for him to be able to neglect his defense to land power shots like he did against Monroe and Murray. I can also see Canelo hurting GGG to the body - that's the only way I can really see a possibility of GGG being stopped.

In summary, I expect the fight to go the distance and GGG to throw and land more punches, especially jabs, than Canelo. Canelo should steal some close rounds with some flashy upper body movement and combinations, though I expect to see him wobbled at some point. The winner? Canelo by decision seems a very likely outcome, though I wouldn't be at all surprised by a draw that sets up a lucrative rematch. I'll be hoping like hell that GGG knocks him out, though.
Yeah, this scenario may be plausible. Only if GGG baited Canelo with his last 2 performances and this time he shows he's truly killer face and he destroys Canelo in a few rounds. :D

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 25 Jun 2017, 07:45
by caldo2025
I didn't love how GGG looked against Jacobs and I wonder how much of it was due to Jacobs's size advantage on fight night. GGG appeared to be hurt to me at one point in that fight as well and I didn't think i'd ever see that. GGG's trigger was also off in the fight and he missed a lot of punches. So I don't think Canelo could have picked a better time to finally fight GGG.

The more that I think about this fight, I just don't see how it doesn't end by KO of some kind. This is one of those phone booth type fights as both guys have below average movement and foot speed. Both guys dislike the clinch and grab so for 3 minutes of every round, these guys will be banging away at each other. I just don't see how both can withstand it for 12 rounds. It's got to be too much for one of them. Who's going to win? I'd say GGG but i'm no way sure of that after seeing my boy Krusher get knocked out...no one is super human. Either way though, please don't let it be controversial. Let's get it right and have a winner.

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 25 Jun 2017, 19:43
by ClivePatrickLyons
Early doors but not at the business end GGG brakes him down for the KO :TU:

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 25 Jun 2017, 21:18
by Kalan
caldo2025 wrote:I didn't love how GGG looked against Jacobs and I wonder how much of it was due to Jacobs's size advantage on fight night. GGG appeared to be hurt to me at one point in that fight as well and I didn't think i'd ever see that. GGG's trigger was also off in the fight and he missed a lot of punches. So I don't think Canelo could have picked a better time to finally fight GGG.

The more that I think about this fight, I just don't see how it doesn't end by KO of some kind. This is one of those phone booth type fights as both guys have below average movement and foot speed. Both guys dislike the clinch and grab so for 3 minutes of every round, these guys will be banging away at each other. I just don't see how both can withstand it for 12 rounds. It's got to be too much for one of them. Who's going to win? I'd say GGG but i'm no way sure of that after seeing my boy Krusher get knocked out...no one is super human. Either way though, please don't let it be controversial. Let's get it right and have a winner.
Your man Kovalev didn't get knocked out... He was being ripped with low blows and he bent over... Referee Tony Weeks even apologized for stopping the fight and said he blew it -- so I don't know why Ward fans continue to put that lie out there that Ward won by KO... There was no reason to stop it.

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 26 Jun 2017, 05:45
by caldo2025
Kalan wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:I didn't love how GGG looked against Jacobs and I wonder how much of it was due to Jacobs's size advantage on fight night. GGG appeared to be hurt to me at one point in that fight as well and I didn't think i'd ever see that. GGG's trigger was also off in the fight and he missed a lot of punches. So I don't think Canelo could have picked a better time to finally fight GGG.

The more that I think about this fight, I just don't see how it doesn't end by KO of some kind. This is one of those phone booth type fights as both guys have below average movement and foot speed. Both guys dislike the clinch and grab so for 3 minutes of every round, these guys will be banging away at each other. I just don't see how both can withstand it for 12 rounds. It's got to be too much for one of them. Who's going to win? I'd say GGG but i'm no way sure of that after seeing my boy Krusher get knocked out...no one is super human. Either way though, please don't let it be controversial. Let's get it right and have a winner.
Your man Kovalev didn't get knocked out... He was being ripped with low blows and he bent over... Referee Tony Weeks even apologized for stopping the fight and said he blew it -- so I don't know why Ward fans continue to put that lie out there that Ward won by KO... There was no reason to stop it.
I'm a Kovalev guy, not Ward, so don't every say that to me again. How dare you. But i'm not going to be one of these idiots pretending that Ward's huge right hand didn't land and that Kovalev could have made it another round on those legs. Not much you can do when a fighter stops fighting and protecting himself several times during the fight. Sure some punches were low but Kovalev was just trying to buy time.

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 26 Jun 2017, 07:27
by BitPlayer
Kalan wrote:Your man Kovalev didn't get knocked out... He was being ripped with low blows and he bent over... Referee Tony Weeks even apologized for stopping the fight and said he blew it -- so I don't know why Ward fans continue to put that lie out there that Ward won by KO... There was no reason to stop it.
Even slightly looking into it shows that that was fake.
Bennett told Weeks there were concerns for low blows. I asked him, ‘Do you want to look at the instant replay, and he said no. He said I’m satisfied they were on the beltline.’ And it was clear from my viewpoint that the punches were on the beltline.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/b ... 407508001/

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 26 Jun 2017, 07:37
by pound per pound
apollo creed wrote:I think this may be Canelo's main plan i.e trying to overwhelm GGG with combos. People are saying that G has a powerful jab but Canelo has shown that he can dodge a punch and also he's a fighter with a solid beard, so I think he will be able to avoid or take G's jabs. What do you think ?
If Canelo can't trouble GGG with his speed, he's in trouble. Canelo waited until GGG aged and slowed down a bit, but I still can not see him winning this fight. GGG's bigger, has the better jab, the more proven chin at middle weight, and will be facing a guy who's not very elusive.

Re: Will Canelo's speed and power combos trouble GGG ?

Posted: 26 Jun 2017, 09:36
by Tanzio
pound per pound wrote:
apollo creed wrote:I think this may be Canelo's main plan i.e trying to overwhelm GGG with combos. People are saying that G has a powerful jab but Canelo has shown that he can dodge a punch and also he's a fighter with a solid beard, so I think he will be able to avoid or take G's jabs. What do you think ?
If Canelo can't trouble GGG with his speed, he's in trouble. Canelo waited until GGG aged and slowed down a bit, but I still can not see him winning this fight. GGG's bigger, has the better jab, the more proven chin at middle weight, and will be facing a guy who's not very elusive.
I think that they were planning to wait another year. Then they became convinced that 3G might lose in that juncture and they were taking huge deserved criticism for avoiding him. It is a calculated risk.

It is interesting that 3G has mentioned that if he had stopped Jacobs that he has his doubts if the fight would have happened. That leaves the door cracked for the possibility that 3G chose to carry Jacobs, a very dangerous strategy if true.

I also disagree with those saying that 3G is bigger. He is taller than GingerHead but the Mexican is bigger bodied and he will likely be heavier on fight night.