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Anyone know the start time & channel for this card? Looks the best one of the weekend.

I didn't even know they were fighting presumably that's Tomasz Adamek v Solomon Haumono?

Who wins depends entirely what Adamek has left. If they were both at their peak it would be a total mismatch.

Adamek is the best, but he doesn't have KO power at all.
Last year he was schooling that previous teacher called Molina, untill he got KOed, it was an odd and unexpected KO.

Adamek won via wide UD. Wilder next for Adamek?

You're a wicked man, AM

Old man Adamek would fit right in with Deontay's bottom feeding, but it seems like Deontay will fight Stiverne in a hugely anticipated rematch instead.

Wilder's career sure has gone places since he won the title against Stiverne. He's been in so tough that I think he's deserving of another stay busy fight, and then after that another fight to test out his biceps/hand/shoulder/back/pinky finger/ankle/wrist/toes.

Adamek was arguably the best boxer Vitali beat.

He was doing well against Molina, but was shocked by a KO. That obviously helped Molina earn a shot at AJ.

Adamek needs to beat someone worth beating enough for him to climb some rankings. And earn that 1 last world title shot.

Adamek would still be a good win on many current HW's resumes..

Adamek is clearly past it and hasn't even managed to defeat a fringe contender in years. He was well beaten by mediocre Glazkov, easily outboxed by Szpilka (Jennings had toyed with and stopped Artur one fight before), and then of course KO'd by Molina....the only notable win Molina has by the way.

The fight with Vitali was 6 years ago, when Adamek had much more left. If Adamek were still in that form, he'd have much more credibility as a contender, but I think it's apparent that even B-level opposition is too much for him now.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Adamek was arguably the best boxer Vitali beat.

Are you serious? What makes you think this?
Chisora, Briggs, Peter, Hoffmann all are better?

Adamek was a good roundwinner with 0 KO power. If Ward really wants to become a heavyweight, he should fight Adamek I think.

asdfjkl wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Adamek was arguably the best boxer Vitali beat.

Are you serious? What makes you think this?
Chisora, Briggs, Peter, Hoffmann all are better?

Adamek was a good roundwinner with 0 KO power. If Ward really wants to become a heavyweight, he should fight Adamek I think.

Key word.. arguably. A thread I made few months back about Vitali's best opponent. Few said Adamek.

I don't think Briggs should be added to the list TBH.

asdfjkl wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Adamek was arguably the best boxer Vitali beat.

Are you serious? What makes you think this?
Chisora, Briggs, Peter, Hoffmann all are better?

Adamek was a good roundwinner with 0 KO power. If Ward really wants to become a heavyweight, he should fight Adamek I think.

Peter might be better. Briggs would've been in his prime, but he was well shot by the time Vitali fought him too. Adamek is definitely the most accomplished fighter Vitali ever beat.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Adamek was arguably the best boxer Vitali beat.

Are you serious? What makes you think this?
Chisora, Briggs, Peter, Hoffmann all are better?

Adamek was a good roundwinner with 0 KO power. If Ward really wants to become a heavyweight, he should fight Adamek I think.

Peter might be better. Briggs would've been in his prime, but he was well shot by the time Vitali fought him too. Adamek is definitely the most accomplished fighter Vitali ever beat.

You realise that Adamek is basically a fat light heavyweight fighter right?

I really like Adamek, he was a very good fighter but I have to agree with Crusader's assessment, he's well past it (Adamek I mean, not Crusader )

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Are you serious? What makes you think this?
Chisora, Briggs, Peter, Hoffmann all are better?

Adamek was a good roundwinner with 0 KO power. If Ward really wants to become a heavyweight, he should fight Adamek I think.

Peter might be better. Briggs would've been in his prime, but he was well shot by the time Vitali fought him too. Adamek is definitely the most accomplished fighter Vitali ever beat.

You realise that Adamek is basically a fat light heavyweight fighter right?

I know exactly who Adamek is and exactly what he accomplished. He's easily a more skilled fighter than Briggs or Peter, both Briggs are Peter are bigger and more powerful than him. I think the Adamek that fought Vitali would've beaten either one of them had he been fighting them that night instead of Vitali.

Adamek's best weight was CW. He was gaunt and weak at LHW and eventually ate himself to HW and as such I wouldn't call him an accomplished HW by any means. Anybody with a pulse beats Briggs, but I'm not sure I'd pick him against Peter, nor Solis but perhaps Sanders if he weathered the early storm, maybe.

Blodhemn wrote:Adamek's best weight was CW. He was gaunt and weak at LHW and eventually ate himself to HW and as such I wouldn't call him an accomplished HW by any means. Anybody with a pulse beats Briggs, but I'm not sure I'd pick him against Peter, nor Solis but perhaps Sanders if he weathered the early storm, maybe.

I didn't call him an accomplished Heavyweight, I called him an accomplished fighter. His best wins as a Heavyweight are better than anything Peter or Briggs have done in over a decade. Adamek didn't even go to Heayweight until late-2009 and did more in just a year or two's times than Peter and Briggs combined have done in the almost 10 years since.

At the time he fought Vitali he was a legitimately ranked Top 5 Heavyweight.

Briggs hasn't been Top 10 for at least 10 or 11 years. Maybe more.

Peter hasn't been Top 10 since getting trounced by Vitali in 2008. He never came anywhere near getting back the status he had going into that fight.

Did some one mentioned Hoffman, better than Adamek whoever that was should be banned immediately.

gilgamesh wrote:I didn't call him an accomplished Heavyweight, I called him an accomplished fighter. His best wins as a Heavyweight are better than anything Peter or Briggs have done in over a decade. Adamek didn't even go to Heayweight until late-2009 and did more in just a year or two's times than Peter and Briggs combined have done in the almost 10 years since.

At the time he fought Vitali he was a legitimately ranked Top 5 Heavyweight.

Briggs hasn't been Top 10 for at least 10 or 11 years. Maybe more.

Peter hasn't been Top 10 since getting trounced by Vitali in 2008. He never came anywhere near getting back the status he had going into that fight.

All of these fighters should be retired, but it's a little tricky doing a head-to-head matchup between them. Adamek wouldn't, in a thousand years, do as well as Peter did vs Wlad, for instance. Overall, he's a better fighter, but as a HW, he was stretched a little past his limit. Purest example is how he struggled with Cunningham in the rematch, with the added weight.

Blodhemn wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I didn't call him an accomplished Heavyweight, I called him an accomplished fighter. His best wins as a Heavyweight are better than anything Peter or Briggs have done in over a decade. Adamek didn't even go to Heayweight until late-2009 and did more in just a year or two's times than Peter and Briggs combined have done in the almost 10 years since.

At the time he fought Vitali he was a legitimately ranked Top 5 Heavyweight.

Briggs hasn't been Top 10 for at least 10 or 11 years. Maybe more.

Peter hasn't been Top 10 since getting trounced by Vitali in 2008. He never came anywhere near getting back the status he had going into that fight.

All of these fighters should be retired, but it's a little tricky doing a head-to-head matchup between them. Adamek wouldn't, in a thousand years, do as well as Peter did vs Wlad, for instance. Overall, he's a better fighter, but as a HW, he was stretched a little past his limit. Purest example is how he struggled with Cunningham in the rematch, with the added weight.

I agree with all that. I still believe Adamek would be capable of beating Peter head to head, but I agree Adamek wouldn't have had the power to drop Wlad 3 times or trouble him the way Peter did.

Wlad beat Peter a lot easier in the 2nd fight.

Blodhemn wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I didn't call him an accomplished Heavyweight, I called him an accomplished fighter. His best wins as a Heavyweight are better than anything Peter or Briggs have done in over a decade. Adamek didn't even go to Heayweight until late-2009 and did more in just a year or two's times than Peter and Briggs combined have done in the almost 10 years since.

At the time he fought Vitali he was a legitimately ranked Top 5 Heavyweight.

Briggs hasn't been Top 10 for at least 10 or 11 years. Maybe more.

Peter hasn't been Top 10 since getting trounced by Vitali in 2008. He never came anywhere near getting back the status he had going into that fight.

All of these fighters should be retired, but it's a little tricky doing a head-to-head matchup between them. Adamek wouldn't, in a thousand years, do as well as Peter did vs Wlad, for instance. Overall, he's a better fighter, but as a HW, he was stretched a little past his limit. Purest example is how he struggled with Cunningham in the rematch, with the added weight.

Bad analogy the lineal heavyweight champ got dropped by Cunningham. Just because these guys couldn't beat the top heavyweights Cunningham,
Adamek, Huck all did pretty well at heavyweight and two were top 15-20 guys even with the size disadvantage was more relevant than in the division
in this decade than Peter or Briggs.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Adamek was arguably the best boxer Vitali beat.

Are you serious? What makes you think this?
Chisora, Briggs, Peter, Hoffmann all are better?

Adamek was a good roundwinner with 0 KO power. If Ward really wants to become a heavyweight, he should fight Adamek I think.

Peter might be better. Briggs would've been in his prime, but he was well shot by the time Vitali fought him too. Adamek is definitely the most accomplished fighter Vitali ever beat.

Yes, probably the most accomplished and skill-wise one of the best Vitali faced. Having said that he was way too small to pose any real threat so I don't count this win as any special accomplishment on VK's resume.

TempleSlave wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Are you serious? What makes you think this?
Chisora, Briggs, Peter, Hoffmann all are better?

Adamek was a good roundwinner with 0 KO power. If Ward really wants to become a heavyweight, he should fight Adamek I think.

Peter might be better. Briggs would've been in his prime, but he was well shot by the time Vitali fought him too. Adamek is definitely the most accomplished fighter Vitali ever beat.

Yes, probably the most accomplished and skill-wise one of the best Vitali faced. Having said that he was way too small to pose any real threat so I don't count this win as any special accomplishment on VK's resume.

Do you count ANY win as any special accomplishment on VK's resume? I don't.

world ranked wrote:
Bad analogy the lineal heavyweight champ got dropped by Cunningham. Just because these guys couldn't beat the top heavyweights Cunningham,
Adamek, Huck all did pretty well at heavyweight and two were top 15-20 guys even with the size disadvantage was more relevant than in the division
in this decade than Peter or Briggs.

I've said it along and along, the top cruisers beat many of the top 10 heavies, but only a rare one beats the champ.

Blodhemn wrote:

world ranked wrote:
Bad analogy the lineal heavyweight champ got dropped by Cunningham. Just because these guys couldn't beat the top heavyweights Cunningham,
Adamek, Huck all did pretty well at heavyweight and two were top 15-20 guys even with the size disadvantage was more relevant than in the division
in this decade than Peter or Briggs.

I've said it along and along, the top cruisers beat many of the top 10 heavies, but only a rare one beats the champ.

world ranked wrote:Did some one mentioned Hoffman, better than Adamek whoever that was should be banned immediately.

No joke. Timo Hoffman was the poor man's Alexander Dimitrenko. Chew on how bad that is for a moment. Briggs on that list? LOL, log off son.