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I would please like to know what would happened if Jimmy Young fight George Chuvalo in their prime? I watched all of the Chuvalo who fought mobile boxers and other boxers who could jab and counterpunch was a bad match up for him if anyone watch his fights. Guys like Ali, Mathis, Folley, Patterson and Ellis managed to jab and counterpunch to out-boxed Chuvalo. Would a prime Jimmy Young do the same because he could move, jab and counterpunch? In my opinion, yes, Young would out-boxed Chuvalo for a decision win in a 15 round bout and what is your opinion?

I have no doubt Young would win a decision at his best. This is one fight where I would see an inside the distance win for either as being highly unlikely.

Agreed, I think Young would be a clear winner on points.

It's a bad match-up that Chuvalo would do anyway and lose badly.. GC had so many losses what was another one??? Even Pete Radamacher beat Chuvalo. There was another guy who nobody could believe beat Chuvalo -- Eduardo Corletti.. He was a short little guy with poor skills, and no real ability or experience.. But Corletti got into a rhythm and kept popping Chuvalo in the face with his jab. He did a crude job of avoiding Chuvalo's slow and not too effective punching.

George was a real professional fighter though. Tell him what his cut was and he'd show up -- whether he won or lost was really beside the point.. But he'd act real grumpy when he lost. He thought he deserved the decisions vs Patterson and Terrell. When he fought Ali the first time -- on a couple of weeks notice -- he told reporters, "I thought I won 8 rounds at least. He had no answer for my body attack. I think he's hurting more than I am."

The only guy Chuvalo refused to fight was Liston. He readily fought Frazier, Foreman, Bonavena, Patterson, Ellis, Quarry, Ali, Mathis, Folley, Cleroux, and just about all the top fighters of his day, losing to almost all of them -- but generally giving a good account of himself. His best win was Quarry -- a guy who he really had no business beating.. There were 2 Quarry's: the confident, prepared, sharp, and professional Quarry -- and the pissed off, angry, "woe is me" Quarry who wasn't trained right or feeling 100% that particular day -- and on those days Jerry seemingly didn't care a whole lot about his performance.

Jimmy would beat George by clear cut decision, winning 11 to 12 rounds out of 15.

Please get your facts straight, Kalan.
Chuvalo never "refused to fight Liston." In fact, he signed to fight the Bear not once, but twice. The first deal was contingent on George beating Patterson in '65; the second fight, which both men agreed to in October 1970 and which was scheduled for the Montreal Forum in Feb. 1971, fell through when Sonny died.

If you want to fight you don't put in constraints and contingencies that make the fight all but impossible... You fight or you don't... What the Hell does beating Patterson have to do with fighting Sonny Liston??? That wasn't going to happen. You just fight him because it's a fight people would want to see.

Again, you're missing the point, Kalan. Chuvalo had no qualms whatsoever about fighting Liston; the "constraints and contingencies" were merely part of the deal agreed to by Ali, Liston, Chuvalo and Patterson in January of '65. It stipulated that if Chuvalo beat Patterson on Feb. 1 and Liston beat Ali in their title rematch on May 25, Liston's first defense would be against Chuvalo. If Patterson and Ali won, Ali's next defense would be against Floyd. That's exactly how it played out. The fact remains Chuvalo never "refused" to fight Sonny, as you so ignorantly claim. While researching the book I wrote with George, I was shown the original agreement -- signed by both George and Sonny -- by the late Irving Ungerman, who was Chuvalo's manager. George was guaranteed $80,000. When Liston's people came calling again in the spring of '67, they offered only $25,000 -- which Ungerman turned down. George ended up taking $50,000 to fight Frazier in July of '67 and sustained the eye injury that put him on the shelf for nearly a year. When Liston's people offered $30,000 for the bout that would've been staged in Montreal in Feb. of '71, Chuvalo signed immediately.
So where do you come off saying that George "refused" to face Liston??

Because GC had a lot of opportunities to fight Liston and the fight never happened... Liston wanted to fight him because it was an easy win for him... He would box, jab, and hook the crap out of Chuvalo -- and pound him out like a very youthful George Foreman did -- quickly and with very little effort.

Flump wrote:I have no doubt Young would win a decision at his best. This is one fight where I would see an inside the distance win for either as being highly unlikely.

Yes, Young would likely beat Chuvalo by decision had they fought at their best. The only way Chuvalo could beat Young was by knockout, but like you said it was very highly unlikely.