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Can anyone recall fights that have been proven to have been fixed?
Sonny liston we all know was clise to the mob and i just read of a few heavy fights notably one with Max Bear in Canada which was the cause of a boxing regulator being formed.
But have any resulted in leagal judgements?

Grant wrote:Can anyone recall fights that have been proven to have been fixed?

I'm sure there have been loads that we will never know about. Maybe not proven as in legally but LaMotta vs. Fox is a famous example, Witherspoon also admitted diving against Bonecrusher Smith.

Known is a more problematic word than fixed. Sure, some fights have been fixed. 3 that came to my mind were already mentioned here. But its hard to prove, because fighters have egos, so after years pass, guys may say they took a dive when they really didn't.

Agreed. People often say a guy "admitted" taking a dive. No, he may not have really "admit" it. He is probably making an excuse.

The LaMotta-Fox fight is about as documented as it gets. If you read the testimony of the senate sub-committee hearings theres no real way to get around the fact that LaMotta took a dive. That entire fix is documented from the germination of the idea all the way down to the check being cashed by the bag men after the cerdan fight. You can either believe a minutely detailed, consistent account told by several people associated with it including varying degrees of evidence, or you can believe it was an excuse because a few mobsters and con men either denied it, plead the fifth, or "couldnt remember." It happened and it was the worst kept secret the day it happened.

Benn -collins 2 .benn was v suspicious winking before he quit .collins was baffled it was a dead even exciting fight.benns defense was superb

Bricks wrote:Benn -collins 2 .benn was v suspicious winking before he quit .collins was baffled it was a dead even exciting fight.benns defense was superb

That wasn't fixed, it was a tough fight, I don't think Benn would've put so much effort into it and then just quit midway. Benn was getting done over.

Controversial wrote:

Bricks wrote:Benn -collins 2 .benn was v suspicious winking before he quit .collins was baffled it was a dead even exciting fight.benns defense was superb

That wasn't fixed, it was a tough fight, I don't think Benn would've put so much effort into it and then just quit midway. Benn was getting done over.

I actually think Benn's corner played their part in Benn losing that fight, I'm not saying he would've beat Collins otherwise but the corner were making out to Benn he was doing a lot worse than he was, I thought Benn started off well but for some reason his corner started telling him to show them something or they were pulling him out, that couldn't have ben any help to Benn whatsoever especially so early in the fight when he wasn't even doing that bad, I think they actually convinced Benn himself he was in trouble

handsofstone wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Bricks wrote:Benn -collins 2 .benn was v suspicious winking before he quit .collins was baffled it was a dead even exciting fight.benns defense was superb

That wasn't fixed, it was a tough fight, I don't think Benn would've put so much effort into it and then just quit midway. Benn was getting done over.

I actually think Benn's corner played their part in Benn losing that fight, I'm not saying he would've beat Collins otherwise but the corner were making out to Benn he was doing a lot worse than he was, I thought Benn started off well but for some reason his corner started telling him to show them something or they were pulling him out, that couldn't have ben any help to Benn whatsoever especially so early in the fight when he wasn't even doing that bad, I think they actually convinced Benn himself he was in trouble

I can't remember what they were saying but far from being fixed in my opinion, he had already lost to Collins in their previous fight so I can't see what they would've gained by underhand tactics.

Fury V Rogan definite fix. Even the bookies on the Falls Road stopped taking bets on it. The crowd trouble was started to deflect attention away from the fight and the dodgy ending where Rogie looks at his corner then lifts his arm up enough for Tyson the land a hook to the body that puts him down.

You can find all Tysons fights on Youtube bar only round 2 of the Rogan fight.

Controversial wrote:

handsofstone wrote:

Controversial wrote:
That wasn't fixed, it was a tough fight, I don't think Benn would've put so much effort into it and then just quit midway. Benn was getting done over.

I actually think Benn's corner played their part in Benn losing that fight, I'm not saying he would've beat Collins otherwise but the corner were making out to Benn he was doing a lot worse than he was, I thought Benn started off well but for some reason his corner started telling him to show them something or they were pulling him out, that couldn't have ben any help to Benn whatsoever especially so early in the fight when he wasn't even doing that bad, I think they actually convinced Benn himself he was in trouble

I can't remember what they were saying but far from being fixed in my opinion, he had already lost to Collins in their previous fight so I can't see what they would've gained by underhand tactics.

Never a fix just poor cornerwork IMO, instead of filling Benn with confidence they took it away by making him believe he was taking a worse beating than he actually was

Controversial wrote:

handsofstone wrote:

Controversial wrote:
That wasn't fixed, it was a tough fight, I don't think Benn would've put so much effort into it and then just quit midway. Benn was getting done over.

I actually think Benn's corner played their part in Benn losing that fight, I'm not saying he would've beat Collins otherwise but the corner were making out to Benn he was doing a lot worse than he was, I thought Benn started off well but for some reason his corner started telling him to show them something or they were pulling him out, that couldn't have ben any help to Benn whatsoever especially so early in the fight when he wasn't even doing that bad, I think they actually convinced Benn himself he was in trouble

I can't remember what they were saying but far from being fixed in my opinion, he had already lost to Collins in their previous fight so I can't see what they would've gained by underhand tactics.

He didn't really "lose" the first fight he twisted his ankle badly, prior to that it had been another dead even barnburner........those two fights had the potential to be greater than even the benn-eubanks fights or the eubanks-watson ones.......a real shame benn got injured in the first one.......but the second I stand by my comments......the proof is how the crowd who had been v pro benn beforehand were shouting "what a load of rubbish" even as he announced his retirement. they knew they had been cheated by benn or his cornermen whatever u want to dress it up as. It was a dead even fight and benns corner were acting like he was being slaughtered and they were gonna pull him out. very very bizarre as was benns winking and looking to the corner constantly .........so some it was like they were working to a set result........the reality is nearer the fact Benn didn't want to end up like Gerald mclellan by having too many hard fights.....he was 32 which was like 35 today.

There are people here who I usually agree with who say Wilder-Scott was fixed. i don't think it was, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

Tony1244 wrote:There are people here who I usually agree with who say Wilder-Scott was fixed. i don't think it was, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

More likely that Scott's arse went

handsofstone wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:There are people here who I usually agree with who say Wilder-Scott was fixed. i don't think it was, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

More likely that Scott's arse went

If Scott threw that fight he did it on his own. Why involve gamblers if you’re going to throw a fight? Have a rich friend or 3 set up proxies to open gambling accounts and get tons of money down on your opponent. You get your take. They get theirs. They call this suspicious betting activity.

I’ve often thought about this. What if you were almost positive you were going to lose a fight anyway? You were suffering some kind of injury to a wrist, ankle, or hand, but you absolutely needed the payday and were pushing through with the fight.

For instance, Sergio Martinez knew his knees were gone for Cotto. They weren’t good for the Chavez or Murray fights, but for Cotto there was no cartilage left. His chances were terrible and he was cashing out. So why couldn’t he inform a rich friend and have him set up a bunch of proxies? Make tons of bets with a guaranteed return? I suppose this has happened more than a few times.

It’s almost certain that Dempsey threw his 1st fight with Fireman Flynn. There was a lot of unusual betting activity and Dempsey—who was never knocked out in his life except by Flynn—dumped the fight seconds after the opening bell.. If you’re going to throw a fight, why not do it ASAP like Dempsey – before your opponent can trip over his own feet and blow a knee out?

Kalan wrote: If you’re going to throw a fight, why not do it ASAP like Dempsey – before your opponent can trip over his own feet and blow a knee out?

Hey, how many times did I make that same argument regarding Johnson-Willard and you would have none of it?

See Jeff Warner's record

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote: If you’re going to throw a fight, why not do it ASAP like Dempsey – before your opponent can trip over his own feet and blow a knee out?

Hey, how many times did I make that same argument regarding Johnson-Willard and you would have none of it?

Get ready for some major league BS.

Haye was investigated after the Audley Harrison fight and was reprimanded for saying he made a lot of money after betting on a 3rd round win. It was quite bizarre how nothing happened for two rounds and then it came alive in the 3rd. Match fixing is rife in a lot of sports.






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I remember working with some kid in London (over 20 years ago) who was adamant that the George Foreman Michael Moorer fight was fixed & Moorer took a dive for money.

He said he had 'proof' as he'd read it in a magazine. That was the proof. A magazine article

In the film Eight Men Out Christopher Lloyd's character 'Sleepy' Bill Burns makes a comment about Abe Attell - he states 'the little champ is a master at the fix, once dropping a fight while staying on his feet,' (or something like that.) - Anyone have a clue as to which fight he is suggesting?

With betting scams, drug use and crooked people in all levels of the sport it must go on all he time. In game or live betting has massively increased the opportunity for dodgy dealing.

Taansend wrote:I remember working with some kid in London (over 20 years ago) who was adamant that the George Foreman Michael Moorer fight was fixed & Moorer took a dive for money.

He said he had 'proof' as he'd read it in a magazine. That was the proof. A magazine article

I've wondered about that myself. It probably wasn't but who knows?

Don't think Moorer faked the blood in his mouth. It was a good shot. Would not knocked out someone with a good chin but Moorer didn't have one. Moorer-Tua looks much more suspect; not that I'm saying that was faked.

Too much money to be made being HW Champion - throwing a fight for 'money' makes no sense; what was Moore supposedly doing, giving up his next payday for how much? - No gangster has that kind of money, and if he did he wouldn't be trying to fix a fight.

Fixing a HW Championship fight has (probably) never been economically feasible; with today's PPV revenues, impossible! - There has to be more than money involved.