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What is wrong with these guys? OK, you lost once. Get yourself together and try to get on top again or retire.

By the way, who would you have if they fought at 168 (I doubt Quillin could make 160 again) ?

Matt Korobov recently attempted and failed to secure a spot in the “World Boxing Super Series” super middleweight tournament. I haven’t heard anything else about this man in the last six months or so. Perhaps the Russian-speaking members of this forum can provide a better update on his status?

Peter Quillin is apparently going to make an announcement about his career later this month. He's now being trained by Virgil Hunter and will compete at 168lbs from now on.

If we were to see a fight between Korobov and Quillin at 168lbs, I’d have to favour the American, because I think he appears physically bigger, has mixed with better opposition and I feel that he’ll likely improve his skills under Virgil Hunter’s tutelage. It’s important to note that I don’t feel very confident about my opinion though, despite the fact that Matt has never defeated a world-class opponent as a pro.

In regards to the Russian, inactivity, coupled with facing dire opposition like Josue Obando, Brian Vera & Scott Sigmon in his most recent bouts, isn’t going to progress his career or make him a better fighter. He’ll be approaching 35 years of age soon, so he has to be matched against top-tier world-class opponents, instead of cab drivers. It’s simply a case of him either achieving something now or never, since he's too old for later.

Korobov "mixed with" Kovalev a few times. The only better opposition Quillin had in pro was Jacobs who stopped him in 1. Korobov is by far technically superior than Quillin. He was winning every round against Lee before getting stopped.

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov "mixed with" Kovalev a few times. The only better opposition Quillin had in pro was Jacobs who stopped him in 1. Korobov is by far technically superior than Quillin. He was winning every round against Lee before getting stopped.

Korobov can probably outbox Quillin without much trouble, but Quillin packs a pretty good punch so Matt's chin could betray him vs Quillin too.

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov "mixed with" Kovalev a few times.

Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

boxing_rocks wrote:The only better opposition Quillin had in pro was Jacobs who stopped him in 1.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov is by far technically superior than Quillin.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

boxing_rocks wrote:He was winning every round against Lee before getting stopped.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov "mixed with" Kovalev a few times.

Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

boxing_rocks wrote:The only better opposition Quillin had in pro was Jacobs who stopped him in 1.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov is by far technically superior than Quillin.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

boxing_rocks wrote:He was winning every round against Lee before getting stopped.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.

You're an idiot.

Korobov's win over Uzcategui is better than Brinkly, Knocney, and Rosado. They both fought Lee, and Korobov handled him a lot better than Quillin did. He was winning every round prior to getting caught. Quillin got lucky against Lee because of the officials counted a bogus knockdown. Lee would've clearly won if it wasn't for that.

Also, Quillin's KO-1 loss to Jacobs isn't impressive to have on your resume. The fact that you just said that shows that you're just reaching.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov "mixed with" Kovalev a few times.

Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

boxing_rocks wrote:The only better opposition Quillin had in pro was Jacobs who stopped him in 1.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov is by far technically superior than Quillin.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

boxing_rocks wrote:He was winning every round against Lee before getting stopped.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.

You're an idiot.

Korobov's win over Uzcategui is better than Brinkly, Knocney, and Rosado. They both fought Lee, and Korobov handled him a lot better than Quillin did. He was winning every round prior to getting caught. Quillin got lucky against Lee because of the officials counted a bogus knockdown. Lee would've clearly won if it wasn't for that.

Also, Quillin's KO-1 loss to Jacobs isn't impressive to have on your resume. The fact that you just said that shows that you're just reaching.

Can't just excuse the fact he caught and LOST.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov "mixed with" Kovalev a few times.

Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

boxing_rocks wrote:The only better opposition Quillin had in pro was Jacobs who stopped him in 1.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov is by far technically superior than Quillin.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

boxing_rocks wrote:He was winning every round against Lee before getting stopped.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.

You're an idiot.

Korobov's win over Uzcategui is better than Brinkly, Knocney, and Rosado. They both fought Lee, and Korobov handled him a lot better than Quillin did. He was winning every round prior to getting caught. Quillin got lucky against Lee because of the officials counted a bogus knockdown. Lee would've clearly won if it wasn't for that.

Also, Quillin's KO-1 loss to Jacobs isn't impressive to have on your resume. The fact that you just said that shows that you're just reaching.

Prefacing your argument with an insult actively discourages me from respecting your opinion.

Quillin has mixed with better opposition (win, lose or draw) than the opponents that Korobov has mixed with.

That’s the only response you’ll get from me in regards to this matter, until you adopt a more courteous tone.

Arguing with insults, rather than facts, means that you’ve already lost the argument.

world ranked wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.

You're an idiot.

Korobov's win over Uzcategui is better than Brinkly, Knocney, and Rosado. They both fought Lee, and Korobov handled him a lot better than Quillin did. He was winning every round prior to getting caught. Quillin got lucky against Lee because of the officials counted a bogus knockdown. Lee would've clearly won if it wasn't for that.

Also, Quillin's KO-1 loss to Jacobs isn't impressive to have on your resume. The fact that you just said that shows that you're just reaching.

Can't just excuse the fact he caught and LOST.

Quillin would've lost too if the officials didn't count the bogus knockdown.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.

You're an idiot.

Korobov's win over Uzcategui is better than Brinkly, Knocney, and Rosado. They both fought Lee, and Korobov handled him a lot better than Quillin did. He was winning every round prior to getting caught. Quillin got lucky against Lee because of the officials counted a bogus knockdown. Lee would've clearly won if it wasn't for that.

Also, Quillin's KO-1 loss to Jacobs isn't impressive to have on your resume. The fact that you just said that shows that you're just reaching.

Prefacing your argument with an insult actively discourages me from respecting your opinion.

Quillin has mixed with better opposition (win, lose or draw) than the opponents that Korobov has mixed with.

That’s the only response you’ll get from me in regards to this matter, until you adopt a more courteous tone.

Arguing with insults, rather than facts, means that you’ve already lost the argument.

The Unenlightened One.

Korobov's chin stinks. He's more protected than the White House.

Anyone see the Netflix Documentary Counterpunch? Featured Peter Quillin (contender), lil bhop - Chris Colbert? (prospect) and Cam Awesome (amateur). Fairly interesting insight into where Quillins head was at prior to the Jacobs fight. He's made some good money out of boxing and its maybe cost him his desire to get back to the top.

Bigdogsnose wrote:Anyone see the Netflix Documentary Counterpunch? Featured Peter Quillin (contender), lil bhop - Chris Colbert? (prospect) and Cam Awesome (amateur). Fairly interesting insight into where Quillins head was at prior to the Jacobs fight. He's made some good money out of boxing and its maybe cost him his desire to get back to the top.

Quillin never had a fire. Guy was a protected fighter for so long.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: You're an idiot.

Korobov's win over Uzcategui is better than Brinkly, Knocney, and Rosado. They both fought Lee, and Korobov handled him a lot better than Quillin did. He was winning every round prior to getting caught. Quillin got lucky against Lee because of the officials counted a bogus knockdown. Lee would've clearly won if it wasn't for that.

Also, Quillin's KO-1 loss to Jacobs isn't impressive to have on your resume. The fact that you just said that shows that you're just reaching.

Prefacing your argument with an insult actively discourages me from respecting your opinion.

Quillin has mixed with better opposition (win, lose or draw) than the opponents that Korobov has mixed with.

That’s the only response you’ll get from me in regards to this matter, until you adopt a more courteous tone.

Arguing with insults, rather than facts, means that you’ve already lost the argument.

The Unenlightened One.

An idiot was a precise definition.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Bigdogsnose wrote:Anyone see the Netflix Documentary Counterpunch? Featured Peter Quillin (contender), lil bhop - Chris Colbert? (prospect) and Cam Awesome (amateur). Fairly interesting insight into where Quillins head was at prior to the Jacobs fight. He's made some good money out of boxing and its maybe cost him his desire to get back to the top.

Quillin never had a fire. Guy was a protected fighter for so long.

Yeah, you're possibly right. The documentary was focused on a very particular period, after he had been paid his step aside money for not fighting Korobov. His mentality was very much - who wouldn't have took the money for not fighting, if they were in his shoes. His mother had a few cameo appearances - special lady!!

Remember when Quillin could have got $1.5 million for fighting Korobov and turned the fight down.

Naandrew wrote:Remember when Quillin could have got $1.5 million for fighting Korobov and turned the fight down.

"Exclusive: Peter Quillin in good shape, aims to make splash at 168 | World Boxing News" (Source: World Boxing News)

“You have to remember I was steamrolling guys before vacating my belt and it wasn’t like I didn’t want to fight Matt Korobov, it just wasn’t at the right time for me and I wasn’t ready for it as I had a kid and an uncle fighting pancreatic cancer.”

Peter Quillin is not the only fighter that has turned down fights due to the unfortunate passing of a family member (or due to their critically ill health). Tyson Fury withdrew from the Alexander Ustinov bout, due to the tragic loss of his uncle Hughie

Peter Quillin's uncle eventually passed away after succumbing to pancreatic cancer, so he shouldn't be criticised for not taking the bout against Matt Korobov.

Bigdogsnose wrote:Anyone see the Netflix Documentary Counterpunch? Featured Peter Quillin (contender), lil bhop - Chris Colbert? (prospect) and Cam Awesome (amateur). Fairly interesting insight into where Quillins head was at prior to the Jacobs fight. He's made some good money out of boxing and its maybe cost him his desire to get back to the top.

I've never heard of that doc but I now have it queued up in my system so thanks for the suggestion. My opinion is that Quillin has been done for a while and he was done prior to stepping in the ring against Jacobs. Had that fight taken place before Quillen made life changing money, we would have witnessed a special night. I guess when you go from living on the streets to a millionaire as fast as he did, it has to have an effect on drive and desire. That has to change a person in many ways.

caldo2025 wrote:

Bigdogsnose wrote:Anyone see the Netflix Documentary Counterpunch? Featured Peter Quillin (contender), lil bhop - Chris Colbert? (prospect) and Cam Awesome (amateur). Fairly interesting insight into where Quillins head was at prior to the Jacobs fight. He's made some good money out of boxing and its maybe cost him his desire to get back to the top.

I've never heard of that doc but I now have it queued up in my system so thanks for the suggestion. My opinion is that Quillin has been done for a while and he was done prior to stepping in the ring against Jacobs. Had that fight taken place before Quillen made life changing money, we would have witnessed a special night. I guess when you go from living on the streets to a millionaire as fast as he did, it has to have an effect on drive and desire. That has to change a person in many ways.

Worth a watch. Cam Awesome is the strangest fighter I have ever seen and chris Colbert is a talent to watch.

GGG will never make dat Peter Quillin money

The documentary Counter Punch. The guy who produced it fought this guy in the Golden Gloves. Didn't he turn out to be pro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3DUuw9GSrg

4:48 shows the guy (I don't know how to post pics)

I was expecting both to be in the super eight series, shame they wasn't. thye both have things left t give in the ring.. don't understand why they are inactive.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov "mixed with" Kovalev a few times.

Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

boxing_rocks wrote:The only better opposition Quillin had in pro was Jacobs who stopped him in 1.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov is by far technically superior than Quillin.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

boxing_rocks wrote:He was winning every round against Lee before getting stopped.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.

Nice detail.
And you don't think Quillin is a little faded?
He seems to me to be losing his speed. No question about his power at all, but you don't think a faster skilled boxer like Korobov will give him too much trouble?

I always liked Quillen ... he just seemed like a good guy ... who had a certain amount of charisma ...

... kind of like Jaidon Codrington and Ivan Robinson ... guys that you just had to root for ...

... and then their careers got sidetracked ... too bad ...

I hope he does well ...

KiwiRider wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov "mixed with" Kovalev a few times.

Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

boxing_rocks wrote:The only better opposition Quillin had in pro was Jacobs who stopped him in 1.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

boxing_rocks wrote:Korobov is by far technically superior than Quillin.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

boxing_rocks wrote:He was winning every round against Lee before getting stopped.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.

Nice detail.
And you don't think Quillin is a little faded?
He seems to me to be losing his speed. No question about his power at all, but you don't think a faster skilled boxer like Korobov will give him too much trouble?

The question that you've asked has been framed in a manner that assumes a stance that not only bears no relation to anything I've written in this thread, but it also strongly suggests that you've blatantly ignored my posts that directly describes my actual thoughts on the matter.

Why do you do that? Why fûckîng lie? You're only harming your own reputation with these atrociously ludicrous remarks and questions.