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If this fight happens than Deontay Wilder deserves massive respect.

Even Hearn wanted no part of Luis Ortiz because it is very very risky fight for no reward.


Still can not believe in this

I rate Ortiz over Povetkin , Whyte and maybe he could be even with Joshua.

Yes he is very old but he is also strong , has much more experience than Joshua/Wilder both mixed together and has long REACH

Even I have to say, respect! Which I also gave him when he claimed to plan to go to fight Povetkin...

asdfjkl wrote:Even I have to say, respect! Which I also gave him when he claimed to plan to go to fight Povetkin...

Ortiz is much bigger man with longer reach and extra lbs compare to Povetkin.

It will be even harder fight on the paper

IronFrost wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Even I have to say, respect! Which I also gave him when he claimed to plan to go to fight Povetkin...

Ortiz is much bigger man with longer reach and extra lbs compare to Povetkin.

It will be even harder fight on the paper

I know, but last time Wilder found a trick how he could avoid a fight, now I know that Ortiz is a good boxer, but outside the ring he's just not that good in the political game. Because of this, I wouldn't be surprised if Wilder knows something we don't know yet, a fake dopingtest, or Ortiz can't fight because of the AJ lawsuit or something like that. I'm used to the fact that Wilder only challenges good boxers if he knows the fight won't happen.

I still hope he massively proves me wrong.

asdfjkl wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Even I have to say, respect! Which I also gave him when he claimed to plan to go to fight Povetkin...

Ortiz is much bigger man with longer reach and extra lbs compare to Povetkin.

It will be even harder fight on the paper

I know, but last time Wilder found a trick how he could avoid a fight, now I know that Ortiz is a good boxer, but outside the ring he's just not that good in the political game. Because of this, I wouldn't be surprised if Wilder knows something we don't know yet, a fake dopingtest, or Ortiz can't fight because of the AJ lawsuit or something like that. I'm used to the fact that Wilder only challenges good boxers if he knows the fight won't happen.

I still hope he massively proves me wrong.

Why would Wilder waste his time with "fake volumentary defence"? It does not make any sence lol.

If Ortiz fails a drug test than it is his fail. It would not be for the first time tho

IronFrost wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

Ortiz is much bigger man with longer reach and extra lbs compare to Povetkin.

It will be even harder fight on the paper

I know, but last time Wilder found a trick how he could avoid a fight, now I know that Ortiz is a good boxer, but outside the ring he's just not that good in the political game. Because of this, I wouldn't be surprised if Wilder knows something we don't know yet, a fake dopingtest, or Ortiz can't fight because of the AJ lawsuit or something like that. I'm used to the fact that Wilder only challenges good boxers if he knows the fight won't happen.

I still hope he massively proves me wrong.

Why would Wilder waste his time with "fake volumentary defence"? It does not make any sence lol.

If Ortiz fails a drug test than it is his fail. It would not be for the first time tho

Wilder has wasted about 2,5 years now? And another 5 years before that.

asdfjkl wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: I know, but last time Wilder found a trick how he could avoid a fight, now I know that Ortiz is a good boxer, but outside the ring he's just not that good in the political game. Because of this, I wouldn't be surprised if Wilder knows something we don't know yet, a fake dopingtest, or Ortiz can't fight because of the AJ lawsuit or something like that. I'm used to the fact that Wilder only challenges good boxers if he knows the fight won't happen.

I still hope he massively proves me wrong.

Why would Wilder waste his time with "fake volumentary defence"? It does not make any sence lol.

If Ortiz fails a drug test than it is his fail. It would not be for the first time tho

Wilder has wasted about 2,5 years now? And another 5 years before that.

He did not waste anything. He still fought and was active. Why he would gave Ortiz fight for free and than cancel that ?:D It does not make sence.

He could easily pick anyone else instead of Ortiz lmao?

I can understand anyone's pessimistic responses to this news.
I'm trying to be an optimist. But I do have 3 reservations.

1, is Ortiz too old/inactive to be a challenge
2, will Wilder find a way to wriggle out at the last minute
3, where is the money in it if he was offered a lot to fight Whyte

Deep breath, think positive.

KiwiRider wrote:I can understand anyone's pessimistic responses to this news.
I'm trying to be an optimist. But I do have 3 reservations.

1, is Ortiz too old/inactive to be a challenge
2, will Wilder find a way to wriggle out at the last minute
3, where is the money in it if he was offered a lot to fight Whyte

Deep breath, think positive.

Already excuses about Ortiz being old. He is younger than Klitschko and was better against Jennings as well

IronFrost wrote:If this fight happens than Deontay Wilder deserves massive respect.

Even Hearn wanted no part of Luis Ortiz because it is very very risky fight for no reward.


Still can not believe in this

I rate Ortiz over Povetkin , Whyte and maybe he could be even with Joshua.

Yes he is very old but he is also strong , has much more experience than Joshua/Wilder both mixed together and has long REACH

No offense, but you're very easily impressed.

Maybe the WBC told Wilder that it's about time he fights someone with more than just a pulse.

IronFrost wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:I can understand anyone's pessimistic responses to this news.
I'm trying to be an optimist. But I do have 3 reservations.

1, is Ortiz too old/inactive to be a challenge
2, will Wilder find a way to wriggle out at the last minute
3, where is the money in it if he was offered a lot to fight Whyte

Deep breath, think positive.

Already excuses about Ortiz being old. He is younger than Klitschko and was better against Jennings as well

Not an excuse just a reservation. I want this to happen and as a fan, I want a good competitive fight.

Yeah right. Won't happen. Wake me if it does.

Like a fart in a wetsuit, Stiverne isn't going away

http://www.BS.com/stiverne-hir ... iz--118643

IronFrost wrote:Why would Wilder waste his time with "fake volumentary defence"? It does not make any sence lol.

If Ortiz fails a drug test than it is his fail. It would not be for the first time tho

Wilder needs a big fights eventually... Al Haymon is looking at how fast Wilder dealt with Malik Scott -- in a few seconds of the 1st round -- and how Scott took Ortiz the distance.. He's looking at Ortiz's age.. He's 38 years old and hasn't been able to get a fight this year so far.. Ortiz's last 3 opponents were soft and it took him 7 rounds to stop Dave Allen.. He didn't look like the same fighter who fought Bryant Jennings so he may be aging a bit.

This is Boxing.. Every fight is a gamble -- but an Ortiz fight is a REAL gamble.. But either Joshua or Wilder will eventually fight Ortiz.. Do you want it to be Joshua??? Joshua took a massive gamble in his last fight -- and their big gamble paid off BIG., Nobody will believe Wilder is fighting Ortiz.. They'll be shocked.. Everyone in the world will want to see this fight.. It's a REAL fukkin' fight just like Joshua-Klitschko was.. You can't say for sure who'll win.

So this is what Al Haymon might be thinking... How to we get Deontay Wilder, who already has 38 fights, some massive credibility?? They can fight another 2nd rater as they've been doing... they can fight the aging Luis Ortiz who may be vulnerable, but is still considered by many to be the most dangerous man in the Heavyweight Division... or they can fight Dillian Whyte, who Joshua has already knocked completely unconscious for several minutes.

Stiverne will try to prevent that fight:

http://www.BS.com/stiverne-hir ... iz--118643

Ortiz is a Top 10 ranked opponent. Wilder will find a way not to fight him.

boxing_rocks wrote:Stiverne will try to prevent that fight:

http://www.BS.com/stiverne-hir ... iz--118643

Maybe but STIVERNE was named as a mandatory in end of february 2017.


So acording to the WBC rules Deontay Wilder has one year for his mando.


Stiverne should shut up. He failed test , got droped by a bum and was inactive almost two years and now he did not come test himself in wbc clean program

So I wake up and in the middle of the night Stiverne has already done some lawsuit work, put some guys on it, Made an interview with the media about it and everything? Now that's what I call amazing, I thought Stiverne was such a slow guy?

Yea, sorry, but to me this sounds like some tipical Wilder bullshit.
"Look, I'm going to challenge, or fight somebody!"

"Joke ofcourse lol, this fight can't happen because whatever"

If Wilder really saw Stiverne as somebody to get rid of, he would have fought him around may/april.
Or just in case as soon as Parker had his Fury fight rescheduled, but don't abuse it as an excuse to avoid another top contender, or well, rank 5 ish guy.

Great news...hope it comes off!!

Love to see this, Wilder's fan Base is dropping off. I know they say America is the place to box but there's no atmosphere, Aj v wilder in the UK would be a big draw and finally a test for the Bronze Bomber

IronFrost wrote:Deontay Wilder-Luis Ortiz in Works

Do you have a source that states that this bout is being negotiated?

We finally get an interesting class of heavyweights and it's a cluster F. A Wilder/Ortiz type fight shouldn't be something we get all excited and dream about, it should be a normality. Since Wilder made more money in the courtroom than in the ring last year, it's catching on and soon everyone will be suing everyone for something. They should change the name to the Litigate Division.

I think Al Haymon knows how critical it is for Wilder to finally fight a top contender like Ortiz. They will have to pay Stiverne big bucks to step aside, but hopefully it goes through.

Wilder is younger, faster and has better stamina. He should take this fight