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Joshua is fighting Klitschko again.

Klitschko is better than Ortiz.

Joshua is not a pussy.

Horse wrote:Joshua is fighting Klitschko again.

Klitschko is better than Ortiz.

Joshua is not a pussy.

But they wanted it against Pulev who is much worse than Ortiz. In the case if Klitschko would retire

IronFrost wrote:But they wanted it against Pulev who is much worse than Ortiz. In the case if Klitschko would retire

Pulev is about as good as Ortiz.

Perhaps Pulev's even a little bit better.

Horse wrote:

IronFrost wrote:But they wanted it against Pulev who is much worse than Ortiz. In the case if Klitschko would retire

Pulev is about as good as Ortiz.

Perhaps Pulev's even a little bit better.

Nice joke.

Pulev sucks and lacks power.

IronFrost wrote:

Horse wrote:

IronFrost wrote:But they wanted it against Pulev who is much worse than Ortiz. In the case if Klitschko would retire

Pulev is about as good as Ortiz.

Perhaps Pulev's even a little bit better.

Nice joke.

Pulev sucks and lacks power.

You've obviously not seen Ortiz's post-Jennings performances. Pulev is no doubt a better fighter right now.

Horse wrote:

IronFrost wrote:But they wanted it against Pulev who is much worse than Ortiz. In the case if Klitschko would retire

Pulev is about as good as Ortiz.

Perhaps Pulev's even a little bit better.

Exactly this!

Klitschko>Pulev>Ortiz

Live with it Ortiz fanboys, it's the truth.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Horse wrote:

IronFrost wrote:But they wanted it against Pulev who is much worse than Ortiz. In the case if Klitschko would retire

Pulev is about as good as Ortiz.

Perhaps Pulev's even a little bit better.

Exactly this!

Klitschko>Pulev>Ortiz

Live with it Ortiz fanboys, it's the truth.

Pulev could not even stop inactive past prime Kingpin Pls stop it Joshua did him in 2 rounds and Ortiz would finish him in 5

I'd have to be honest, if Wilder goes into the ring with Ortiz this year, I'd have to give Wilder credits for not beïng a pussy any more. I would be happely proven wrong, especially if he does it while his lab is suspended.

IronFrost wrote:

Horse wrote:Joshua is fighting Klitschko again.

Klitschko is better than Ortiz.

Joshua is not a pussy.

But they wanted it against Pulev who is much worse than Ortiz. In the case if Klitschko would retire

He would have to fight Pulev or drop the IBF belt.

IronFrost wrote:

Horse wrote:Joshua is fighting Klitschko again.

Klitschko is better than Ortiz.

Joshua is not a pussy.

But they wanted it against Pulev who is much worse than Ortiz. In the case if Klitschko would retire

Joshua fought, got up off the deck against, and beat Wlad. He is not a pussy. That's a fact.

IronFrost wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Horse wrote:Pulev is about as good as Ortiz.

Perhaps Pulev's even a little bit better.

Exactly this!

Klitschko>Pulev>Ortiz

Live with it Ortiz fanboys, it's the truth.

Pulev could not even stop inactive past prime Kingpin Pls stop it Joshua did him in 2 rounds and Ortiz would finish him in 5

Ortiz is a counterpuncher with limited athleticism. He gets jabbed to death by Pulev. Also, Ortiz couldn't get a past-prime, non-fighter Malik Scott out of there.

No one is afraid of anyone at this level. There are various businessmen trying to secure the most profitable opportunities for their clientele and themselves.

I hope the fight happens so we can see what both fighters (Wilder and Ortiz) have. Ortiz couldn't catch up with Scott, but all Scott did was run to survive. Ortiz also stopped Jennings while Wlad couldn't. He stopped the last guy he fought while Dillan Whyte couldn't.

The point is, we don't really know how good these guys are until they take on the other top guys. Saying Ortiz is over the hill/shot, or Wilder is a chicken/coward, just makes you look like a hater, or more accurately a dumbass.

Ortiz would definitely be over the hill if wilder beat him. I still can't see Ortiz taking this fight. Hopefully I'm wrong.

I have similar things with Wilder, he always took the easy route and now he ducks 4,5 mil + against a reasonable opponent, asking for 7m+ and no time later he's planning to fight a much better opponent for much less money and a belt?
If the fight was in Europe with European referees, I think Ortiz actually got the odds.
Also, I'm used to the fact that Wilder only accepts good opposition if he knows he can duck, steal, or ask for unfair advantages. I just can't forget about all the things Wilder has done in the past, what does he know about Ortiz which can help him avoid the fight this time?

Please Wilder, proof me wrong, box him and do it in a fair way!

AJ is a pussy? He must have missed the fight with Klit. This guy is a fcuking idiot.

Mexi-Box wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

Horse wrote:Pulev is about as good as Ortiz.

Perhaps Pulev's even a little bit better.

Nice joke.

Pulev sucks and lacks power.

You've obviously not seen Ortiz's post-Jennings performances. Pulev is no doubt a better fighter right now.

Pulev sucks okay??? He's terrible... He's got no defense, movement, speed, or trickery, and he was overwhelmed by an aging Klitschko. He's not even well conditioned and there's nothing to recommend him.. Pulev is not even in the conversation anymore than Derick Chisora is.. Parker could beat him.

Kalan wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

Nice joke.

Pulev sucks and lacks power.

You've obviously not seen Ortiz's post-Jennings performances. Pulev is no doubt a better fighter right now.

Pulev sucks okay??? He's terrible... He's got no defense, movement, speed, or trickery, and he was overwhelmed by an aging Klitschko. He's not even well conditioned and there's nothing to recommend him.. Pulev is not even in the conversation anymore than Derick Chisora is.. Parker could beat him.

Parker is actualy a better stronger and faster version of Pulev. Ortiz would smash Pulev easier than he did against Jennings

IronFrost wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: You've obviously not seen Ortiz's post-Jennings performances. Pulev is no doubt a better fighter right now.

Pulev sucks okay??? He's terrible... He's got no defense, movement, speed, or trickery, and he was overwhelmed by an aging Klitschko. He's not even well conditioned and there's nothing to recommend him.. Pulev is not even in the conversation anymore than Derick Chisora is.. Parker could beat him.

Parker is actualy a better stronger and faster version of Pulev. Ortiz would smash Pulev easier than he did against Jennings

Parker is not. What a dumb thing to say. Pulev eased through Chisora who gave Whyte hell. Ortiz would get jabbed to death. He relies very heavily on his counterpunching. That's why Malik Scott, who is not even much of a fighter, didn't get stopped.

Ortiz is super overrated. It's insane now. I actually think Wilder is getting to Ortiz at the right time. Ortiz is there for the taking considering how awful he's looked. I actually think Wilder/Ortiz will be a repeat of Wilder/Stiverne.

All Scott did was run.. He didn't try to beat Ortiz.. He gave every round of the fight away to survive.

Jennings had no trouble going the distance with Klitschko -- but not long afterwards was ripped apart and destroyed by Ortiz... He's taken almost 2 years off to heal his brain... He's fighting next month.

From what I've seen ortizs biggest problem is his energy levels and probably why he needed to juice. To be fair and I agree with Kalan, Malik Scott would have made anyone look bad that night, no more bad than himself, he was a disgrace but that's what happens as I believe it was a Eddie Hearn cherry pick just like AJ Molina except Ortiz couldn't get the "expected" ko. But anyway there seems to be a blueprint to survive and possibly win, stay away, take it deep and the old man Ortiz (possibly in his 50's) has trouble getting off.