MMA vs Boxing shape...

[Badhusker]

For those of you that have wrestled, you know that 6 or 7 minutes on the mat is something that the average guy cannot do. Football, Basketball, Boxers, ect., could not do it with the intensity that it takes to be successful. Someone needs to tell me how Conor McGregor can go 5, 5 minute rounds of boxing/wrestling will be too out of shape doing 36 minutes of boxing?
My point is that I think folks will be surprised at McGregor's shape, even though so many are counting him out because of it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

In my experience, 2 minutes of wrestling was more tiring than 4 rounds of boxing. I was better at boxing though, nerves plays a huge role. That's what will tire McGregor more than anything. Though I will say his stamina isn't strong for the top mma guys.

[squiggy]

Are people counting him out because of shape? I'm just counting him out because he doesn't compete in this sport.

[northern]

Are people counting him out because of shape? I'm just counting him out because he doesn't compete in this sport.

Well said by this man.
Experience has to be a bigger factor then physical condition in this fight, McGregor could come in in amazing shape but after he eats 10-15 punches, Realises he can't do half of what he could in MMA and goes down for the first time, looking/being more in shape isn't going to mean a thing.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The self proclaimed forum 'expert' thinks mma fighters don't train. I imagine it's in response to his ignorance.

[Covfefe]

The self proclaimed forum 'expert' thinks mma fighters don't train. I imagine it's in response to his ignorance.

Who said that?

McGregor is known for not having top stamina isn't he? Add to him regularly being punched in the face and body and he will tire in the later rounds. Floyd will look like he can do another twelve rounds as usual.

[lazboy]

The top mma guys are fit as a fiddle. I really don't think Conor overrall fitness will be a detriment to him...I'm sure he can go 12 rounds on a stationary heavy bag just fine and probably 12 rounds sparring (depending on things of course). Yes nerves will play a role as mentioned, also, the psychological effect of missing punches, plus they say that missing a punch takes far more energy than landing one which makes sense if all your balanced gets thrown off. Floyd will beat him fair and square, it won't be Conor beating himself as Jip said in a previous post. Recent example, Joe Smith Jr throwing huge winging punches that didnt land, tired himself out and made him reluctant to throw when he completly blitzed Hopkins with power and volume his previous fight.

Plus yes as mentioned....FLoyds jab to the body and getting hit.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The self proclaimed forum 'expert' thinks mma fighters don't train. I imagine it's in response to his ignorance.

Who said that?

McGregor is known for not having top stamina isn't he? Add to him regularly being punched in the face and body and he will tire in the later rounds. Floyd will look like he can do another twelve rounds as usual.

JIP, yeah, McGregor isn't near the best. He is looking to kill with just about every shot. Someone like Nick Or Nate Diaz could box 12 rounds and then run 10 miles.

[tiny_acres]

I boxed and I wrestled. Both are strenuous activities but completely different. Like someone just posted missing punches while eating jabs will take a ton of energy from Connor.
I would not be surprised to see Connor exhausted by round 8. But we will see

[SportsRatings]

Both time McGregor fought Diaz, the fight was almost all standup, i.e., it was like a boxing match between the two of them. In both fights, McGregor hit a wall at 3:00 into the 2nd round. In the first fight he was instantly useless and lost soon after that; in the 2nd fight he was battered for the last 2:00 of the 2nd round and almost all of the 3rd round. By the 4th round Diaz was tired from chasing McGregor, who was able to win the 4th round and hold on in the 5th to win on the judges' cards.

If he does the same against Floyd, the first 3 rounds might be entertaining but after that he will probably be pretty gassed and easy pickings. It's not the shape McGregor's in, it's his style, and his use of energy. How that will be different in boxing I don't know, but I still give him 3 rounds to make things interesting, and after that I see him fading until he quits on the stool sometime between rounds 7 and 10.

[caldo2025]

It's not even close... Boxing is ten times more demanding than MMA and that opinion comes from first hand experience. Believe me, it surprised the hell out of me as well. I couldn't believe how much more harder boxing was than MMA. I was a 2 time state champion wrestler in high school and wrestled collegiately with mixed martial arts focus in my 20's. I decided to pick up boxing as the next logical transition but boxing was just too much...I couldn't believe how exhausting it was.

For instance, I could spar or drill in MMA for five minutes easily. Hitting a heavy bag for one minute straight in a proper stance demolished me. I put the time into it at first too but it only got slightly less exhausting. I ended up quitting because it was too much. Boxing vs. MMA shape? Not even close. Boxers are in WAY better shape. Fact.

[Badhusker]

I guess we will find out when they fight, but I personally can't see McGregor gassing to the point of exhaustion like some do. My background is mostly wrestling so maybe I am a bit biased. There are other variables involved too, like style, amount of punches thrown/missed, etc. There are plenty of fat flabby heavyweights out there that make it through 12 rounds fine, but very much doubt they would make it with a lot of grappling involved. Imagine 36 minutes of MMA? I would be shocked if any boxer could do that in MMA like he could boxing.

[asdfjkl]

I have watched Tyrone Spong, who competed as a kickboxer and became 10 times champion of the world and clearly was one of the guys in better shape as most, fought in MMA and won all of his matches, and fought in boxing as well and won all of his matches yet.
MMA and kickboxing seemed to take more energy, and I know boxing is exhousting as well.
Boxing and kickboxing is only 3 minits, MMA is 5 minits.
I think 5*3 minits is more easy as 3 times 5 minits in all these sports.

[Tarkus]

Conor is fit to perform highly intensive work for 15 min, he will inevitably struggle with endurance over 30 min. Apples and oranges. Wrestlers usually outperform boxers early in fitness competitions but run out of gas for later work.

Just look at Conors body. He doesn't look like a boxer. He caries excessive muscle. It will hurt him if fight goes into late rounds and if it is high paced.

[Enlightened-One]

My point is that I think folks will be surprised at McGregor's shape, even though so many are counting him out because of it.

Based on personal experience, grappling and kicking sports target muscle groups that aren’t necessarily beneficial to boxers, such as the physical strength required to apply leverage techniques.

So you’re not really performing a like-for-like comparison, since the physical attributes for an optimum-conditioned MMA fighter are not the same as those that constitute the ideal qualities of a pugilist.

For sure, Conor McGregor is a supremely well-conditioned MMA athlete, but that doesn’t mean that his strongest physical attributes will improve his chances of defeating Floyd Mayweather Jr., since a lot of them won't be utilised significantly during their bout.

[Counter-puncher]

My point is that I think folks will be surprised at McGregor's shape, even though so many are counting him out because of it.

Based on personal experience, grappling and kicking sports target muscle groups that aren’t necessarily beneficial to boxers, such as the physical strength required to apply leverage techniques.

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[Enlightened-One]

My point is that I think folks will be surprised at McGregor's shape, even though so many are counting him out because of it.

Based on personal experience, grappling and kicking sports target muscle groups that aren’t necessarily beneficial to boxers, such as the physical strength required to apply leverage techniques.

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What's so funny about that? You don't know anything about my personal background, do you?

The point I made remains perfectly valid, despite your fake theatrical laughter.

[IKSRTFO]

I guess we will find out when they fight, but I personally can't see McGregor gassing to the point of exhaustion like some do. My background is mostly wrestling so maybe I am a bit biased. There are other variables involved too, like style, amount of punches thrown/missed, etc. There are plenty of fat flabby heavyweights out there that make it through 12 rounds fine, but very much doubt they would make it with a lot of grappling involved. Imagine 36 minutes of MMA? I would be shocked if any boxer could do that in MMA like he could boxing.

MMA fighters also don't get hit nearly as much to the body or even to the head as much as a boxer. And reflexes will play a large part in this fight as Conor's reflexes will be a lot slower than Floyd's.

[IKSRTFO]

MMA fighters have great stamina, it will be the skill disparity that overtakes Connor. His striking success in the UFC has him believing he can do the same in boxing. While MMA overall are great fighters, they aren't great boxers nor can they defend in a strictly boxing arena. It's telling that Brock Lesnar, an athlete with mainly an NCAA wrestling background and no striking experience was able to compete with legends primarily using his strength in striking.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's telling that Brock Lesnar, an athlete with mainly an NCAA wrestling background and no striking experience was able to compete with legends primarily using his strength in striking.

I assume you meant to say Wrestling?

[IKSRTFO]

It's telling that Brock Lesnar, an athlete with mainly an NCAA wrestling background and no striking experience was able to compete with legends primarily using his strength in striking.

I assume you meant to say Wrestling?

No, along with Pro wrestling, Lesnar was an NCAA wrestling champion and when he fought in the UFC, he beat guys like Frank Mir with striking.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's telling that Brock Lesnar, an athlete with mainly an NCAA wrestling background and no striking experience was able to compete with legends primarily using his strength in striking.

I assume you meant to say Wrestling?

No, along with Pro wrestling, Lesnar was an NCAA wrestling champion and when he fought in the UFC, he beat guys like Frank Mir with striking.

[IKSRTFO]

I assume you meant to say Wrestling?

No, along with Pro wrestling, Lesnar was an NCAA wrestling champion and when he fought in the UFC, he beat guys like Frank Mir with striking.

Lesnar did use some wrestling but he wasn't that bad of a striker for someone who isn't a trained boxer or even a martial artist.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No, along with Pro wrestling, Lesnar was an NCAA wrestling champion and when he fought in the UFC, he beat guys like Frank Mir with striking.

Lesnar did use some wrestling but he wasn't that bad of a striker for someone who isn't a trained boxer or even a martial artist.

He was poor at striking, especially taking punches. I have to question if you've ever seen him fight if you think his success was primarily based on striking. It most certainly was not.

[Ossyrules]

Athletes tend to be "fit for purpose". Ones not necessarily "fitter" than the other, it's just the conditioning you need to succeed at that discipline. Being as Conor is stepping into Floyds world, he will have to make the adjustments. It really is apples and oranges though trying to say which is which.

Saying that I'm from a boxing background and I have big respect for wrestlers, mma, judo etc. It'd sure wear me down quicker than boxing