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Now, Klitschko and Tyson Fury are out.

The excuse of Joshua to avoid Ortiz (#1 WBA, #2WBC) and Wilder (WBC world champion) is ....... Pulev.

Yes, it's Pulev, the #2 IBF who became mandatory challenger for the IBF world title after that Parker the former #1 IBF and #1 WBO fight for the vacant WBO world title.
Yes, the same Pulev who was drilled by Klitschko in a one sided fight after only 5 rounds.
Yes, the same Pulev who declined a fight against Joshua last year for an unkown reason (afraid ?).
I don't be surprise if at the last time Pulev declines the fight against Joshua again.
If think that the initial plan of Pulev was to fight for the vacant IBF title against Carlos Takam ( #3 IBF) after that Joshua or Klitschko become WBA/IBF champion because he thought that the winner wants to fight Wilder, Ortiz, Fury or do a rematch in priority.

Now Josha is showing to the world that he is ducking two of the most dangerous fighters (Wilder and Ortiz) to fight a fake mandatory challenger who is very less dangerous.

Pulev is better than anyone Wilder has beaten and would be no worse than the second best opponent Ortiz has beaten. If Joshua is ducking, what the hell have Wilder and Ortiz been doing all these years? They're older, have more fights, and have been pro 3-5 years longer.

What??
He just fought Klitchko and was all set to do so again?
Are you suggesting he is scared of Ortiz and Wilder?

AJ has to fight his mandatory(PULEV)---just like WILDER has to(STIVERNE)---neither 1 is ducking people.

The OP is a hate post. What a load of shite. What a racking idiot

dickbelden wrote:AJ has to fight his mandatory(PULEV)---just like WILDER has to(STIVERNE)---neither 1 is ducking people.

Ortiz is also a mandatory challenger like Pulev.

cpfc_fan wrote:What??
He just fought Klitchko and was all set to do so again?
Are you suggesting he is scared of Ortiz and Wilder?

I don't know, but the fact is Joshua has the choice between Pulev and Ortiz and want to fight Pulev and never speak about Ortiz.

I'm getting sick of Ortiz. I hope he fights Wilder and gets exposed. Ortiz is a limited guy. He's looked horrendous as of late. No one is ducking him.

Pulev is arguably a better win than Wilder and Ortiz. Pulev was the consensus #2 HW in the world after Klitschko beat Povetkin, and he's still a top HW. His only loss is to the p4p, undefeated version of Klitschko. When have Wilder and Ortiz been the #2 HW in the world?

AJ already had no choice in this matter about 4 months ago lol.
It was either Klitschko or Pulev.
That's no excuse, nobody can duck a mandatory, unless your name is Deontay Wilder. When you're Deontay Wilder you can duck everyone you like and still keep your belt.

I wonder what Deontay Wilder his excuse will be to duck Ortiz actually. Or will that be Stiverne? Stiverne who he could have fought like 3 months ago?

crusader wrote:Pulev is better than anyone Wilder has beaten and would be no worse than the second best opponent Ortiz has beaten. If Joshua is ducking, what the hell have Wilder and Ortiz been doing all these years? They're older, have more fights, and have been pro 3-5 years longer.

Good point. I'd rather see Wilder fight Ortiz to see where both are at. Apparently Hearn promised Wilder next, so with Wlad retiring they could do that next. Either way good fights.

dickbelden wrote:AJ has to fight his mandatory(PULEV)---just like WILDER has to(STIVERNE)---neither 1 is ducking people.

Both can skip mandatories for unification fights I believe.

Anyone please correct me if I am wrong. Joshua could fight Wilder next. Pulev isn't that good, imo.

Badhusker wrote:

dickbelden wrote:AJ has to fight his mandatory(PULEV)---just like WILDER has to(STIVERNE)---neither 1 is ducking people.

Both can skip mandatories for unification fights I believe.

Anyone please correct me if I am wrong. Joshua could fight Wilder next. Pulev isn't that good, imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyVA94ARbZE

izabelisk wrote:

cpfc_fan wrote:What??
He just fought Klitchko and was all set to do so again?
Are you suggesting he is scared of Ortiz and Wilder?

I don't know, but the fact is Joshua has the choice between Pulev and Ortiz and want to fight Pulev and never speak about Ortiz.

I genuinely don't think AJ is scared to fight Ortiz...surely fighting Klitchko proved that he is not afraid to setp into big fights.

As an aside, I don't get the hype around Ortiz. I admittedly have watched very little of his career so I stand to be corrected, but from what I have seen
- knocked out Allen; and took seven rounds to do it. Imagine what would happen if AJ fought Allen.
- UD win over Malik Scott, who Chisora stopped. I know Scott didn't try to engage in a fight so perhaps a bit harsh to judge on that alone
- stopped Tony the Tiger - but David Price came close to doing that himself

All in all, I don't really see what is on his record that justify the claims he should be considered next in line.

Pulev and Ortiz are better than fruad wilder. Fraud Wilder won't fight Pulev or Ortiz. Now Fraud Wilder is suddenly challenging Joshua when he knows Joshua has two fights lined up with Ortiz and Pulev LOL. Typical fraudery from Wilder. What a paper fraud cheese chump.

The IBF is the one sanctioning organization that has language built into its rules and regulations stating that a unification fight can take precedence over a mandatory. Eddie Hearn is not going to attempt to ask for an exemption from the IBF. This is what is troubling to me.

cpfc_fan wrote:

izabelisk wrote:

cpfc_fan wrote:What??
He just fought Klitchko and was all set to do so again?
Are you suggesting he is scared of Ortiz and Wilder?

I don't know, but the fact is Joshua has the choice between Pulev and Ortiz and want to fight Pulev and never speak about Ortiz.

I genuinely don't think AJ is scared to fight Ortiz...surely fighting Klitchko proved that he is not afraid to setp into big fights.

As an aside, I don't get the hype around Ortiz. I admittedly have watched very little of his career so I stand to be corrected, but from what I have seen
- knocked out Allen; and took seven rounds to do it. Imagine what would happen if AJ fought Allen.
- UD win over Malik Scott, who Chisora stopped. I know Scott didn't try to engage in a fight so perhaps a bit harsh to judge on that alone
- stopped Tony the Tiger - but David Price came close to doing that himself

All in all, I don't really see what is on his record that justify the claims he should be considered next in line.

Who Pulev has fight ?

He's the mandatory challenger for the IBF because Joseph Parker vacated his mandatory position on 10th December 2016 to fight for the vacant WBO title.

Since his defeat against Klitschko, except Chisora who good Pulev has fight ? Only low ranked boxers.

Ortiz is not perfect, but to my point of view he is more suitable than Pulev for a world title shot.
First he is undefeated, then he is the WBA mandatory challenger since December 2015 (almost 2 years) and he has defended his mandatory position 4 times against Jennings, Thompson, Scott and Allen.

- Jennings: Ortiz was far way better than Klitschko and won with an indisputable KO.
- Thompson: Again Ortiz was better than Klitschko and again won with an indisputable KO (but OK now Thompson is a little bit old).
- Scott: Ortiz totally dominated the fight on winning all the rounds with 3 knocks down. Normally the fight should has been stopped with a KO after the first down in the 4th round, but the referee count very slowly and help Scott to sit up. (watch again the fight you will see that is the truth). Ortiz was never in the difficulty even with all the tricks of Scott (faking the rabbit punch, clinching and slipping when the situation became dangerous, never try to fight to avoid a counter punch).
Remember Scott vs Chisora was very controversial because Scott beat the count but the referee end the fight. If Ortiz has fought Scott with the same referee than Chisora then he certainly won by KO on the 4th round.
- Allen: Ortiz dominated the fight and won with a knock out when Whyte was not able to knock out the guy and won only with an unanimous decision. Yes, Ortiz was better than Whyte against Allen.

The question isn't if Ortiz is good or not (in fact he's good) but if Ortiz has a better resume than Pulev and seems more dangerous and more eligible for a world title shot.
And the answer yes, if you watch the last few years Ortiz has a large better resume than Pulev.

izabelisk wrote:

cpfc_fan wrote:

izabelisk wrote:
I don't know, but the fact is Joshua has the choice between Pulev and Ortiz and want to fight Pulev and never speak about Ortiz.

I genuinely don't think AJ is scared to fight Ortiz...surely fighting Klitchko proved that he is not afraid to setp into big fights.

As an aside, I don't get the hype around Ortiz. I admittedly have watched very little of his career so I stand to be corrected, but from what I have seen
- knocked out Allen; and took seven rounds to do it. Imagine what would happen if AJ fought Allen.
- UD win over Malik Scott, who Chisora stopped. I know Scott didn't try to engage in a fight so perhaps a bit harsh to judge on that alone
- stopped Tony the Tiger - but David Price came close to doing that himself

All in all, I don't really see what is on his record that justify the claims he should be considered next in line.

Who Pulev has fight ?

He's the mandatory challenger for the IBF because Joseph Parker vacated his mandatory position on 10th December 2016 to fight for the vacant WBO title.

Since his defeat against Klitschko, except Chisora who good Pulev has fight ? Only low ranked boxers.

Ortiz is not perfect, but to my point of view he is more suitable than Pulev for a world title shot.
First he is undefeated, then he is the WBA mandatory challenger since December 2015 (almost 2 years) and he has defended his mandatory position 4 times against Jennings, Thompson, Scott and Allen.

- Jennings: Ortiz was far way better than Klitschko and won with an indisputable KO.
- Thompson: Again Ortiz was better than Klitschko and again won with an indisputable KO (but OK now Thompson is a little bit old).
- Scott: Ortiz totally dominated the fight on winning all the rounds with 3 knocks down. Normally the fight should has been stopped with a KO after the first down in the 4th round, but the referee count very slowly and help Scott to sit up. (watch again the fight you will see that is the truth). Ortiz was never in the difficulty even with all the tricks of Scott (faking the rabbit punch, clinching and slipping when the situation became dangerous, never try to fight to avoid a counter punch).
Remember Scott vs Chisora was very controversial because Scott beat the count but the referee end the fight. If Ortiz has fought Scott with the same referee than Chisora then he certainly won by KO on the 4th round.
- Allen: Ortiz dominated the fight and won with a knock out when Whyte was not able to knock out the guy and won only with an unanimous decision. Yes, Ortiz was better than Whyte against Allen.

The question isn't if Ortiz is good or not (in fact he's good) but if Ortiz has a better resume than Pulev and seems more dangerous and more eligible for a world title shot.
And the answer yes, if you watch the last few years Ortiz has a large better resume than Pulev.

You make decent case for Ortiz - and I would concede, Pulev has little on his record to suggest he is any better.
And it may be the case that they are just the best of a bad bunch at the moment - because other than Wilder who is already engaged, and with Wlad and Fury both out of the picture, it is just slim pickings.
But I would still say I haven't seen enough to suggest Ortiz will fair any better than Pulev or Parker in a fight with Joshua. He is undefeated, fair enough, I am yet to be convinced that he has a realistic chance of winning.

Both they wait Ortiz getting older and older!

If Joshua decides to fight Pulev next, and Wilder and Ortiz fight, I will be fine with that as long as the winners fight next. If Joshua decides to take Parker instead of the winner, I will call it a duck.

izabelisk wrote:Now, Klitschko and Tyson Fury are out.

The excuse of Joshua to avoid Ortiz (#1 WBA, #2WBC) and Wilder (WBC world champion) is ....... Pulev.

Yes, it's Pulev, the #2 IBF who became mandatory challenger for the IBF world title after that Parker the former #1 IBF and #1 WBO fight for the vacant WBO world title.
Yes, the same Pulev who was drilled by Klitschko in a one sided fight after only 5 rounds.
Yes, the same Pulev who declined a fight against Joshua last year for an unkown reason (afraid ?).
I don't be surprise if at the last time Pulev declines the fight against Joshua again.
If think that the initial plan of Pulev was to fight for the vacant IBF title against Carlos Takam ( #3 IBF) after that Joshua or Klitschko become WBA/IBF champion because he thought that the winner wants to fight Wilder, Ortiz, Fury or do a rematch in priority.

Now Josha is showing to the world that he is ducking two of the most dangerous fighters (Wilder and Ortiz) to fight a fake mandatory challenger who is very less dangerous.

Mods I think this crayon eater needs a time out!

Badhusker wrote:

dickbelden wrote:AJ has to fight his mandatory(PULEV)---just like WILDER has to(STIVERNE)---neither 1 is ducking people.

Both can skip mandatories for unification fights I believe.

Anyone please correct me if I am wrong. Joshua could fight Wilder next. Pulev isn't that good, imo.

He can't as Pulev has been delayed so long, the IBF have said they can't swerve him even for a unification according to Hearn.

izabelisk wrote:Now Josha is showing to the world that he is ducking two of the most dangerous fighters (Wilder and Ortiz) to fight a fake mandatory challenger who is very less dangerous.

The OP has posted such few times, and yet, this idiocy. Give up, start over with a new account, pretend to be smart next time.

Badhusker wrote:If Joshua decides to fight Pulev next, and Wilder and Ortiz fight, I will be fine with that as long as the winners fight next. If Joshua decides to take Parker instead of the winner, I will call it a duck.

It won't be a duck

If Wilder beats Ortiz I fully admit AJ should fight him, despite I can understand AJ his current excuse that Wilder hasn't fought any serious English contender.