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If he loses against Canelo in a wide decision or by KO does he become irrelevant or will he bounce back?

He'll take a bit of a hit, but Canelo is very good, so certainly not irrelevant, he could still be a top middleweight for a bit yet.

Well according to Abel Sanchez, Golovkin will move up on his personal rankings to the 2nd best middleweight of all time should he lose to Canelo.

It’s a no-lose situation for Golovkin, because he’s always received criticism (mostly deserved) for his underwhelming calibre of opponents on his resume. This fight eliminates that flaw in his body of work, since no one would have the audacity to undermine Canelo being perceived as a genuine top-ten pound-for-pounder, despite the Kazakh fighting yet another smaller opponent.

Golovkin’s age, coupled with the frenzied bias of the noisy pro-Mexican crowd that could potentially influence the judges' scoring, could be used as potential excuses if GGG somehow fails to earn a decision victory. So a lot of Golovkin's fan base will inevitably feel that he has been somehow “robbed” regardless of whatever transpires inside the ring.

Simply put: I don’t see how a potential Golovkin defeat to Canelo would tarnish his legacy. He’ll also get paid handsomely for his efforts and nor can I see him losing any fans should the outcome go against him.

Who knows, if the fight proves to be competitive, exciting and a commercial success, Oscar De La Hoya is likely to be very tempted to allow his man (Canelo) to engage in a highly-lucrative rematch against GGG (even if Alvarez wins their first bout).

The Canelo-GGG fight seems to be a win-win situation for everyone involved, due to the amount of money being generated, coupled with the amount of kudos both fighters will inevitably receive from hard-core fight fans for agreeing to engage in a bout competed amongst two top-ten pound-for-pounders.

He most certainly wouldn't be irrelevant. It would slam the breaks on the unknown as far as his historical standing with dominance over not great opposition. Be hard to have him a top 40 or 50 Middle if canelo smashed him up.

Even if he does not win, he gets to keep one belt, and if Canelo does not make the second weigh in, make that 2 belts.
One loss does not end his career unless he wants to end it. Depends on how the fight goes, and how he comes out of it.
A lot of people especially in the US would love to see a rematch with Jacobs. I know I would. Decent payday as well.

KiwiRider wrote:Even if he does not win, he gets to keep one belt, and if Canelo does not make the second weigh in, make that 2 belts.
One loss does not end his career unless he wants to end it. Depends on how the fight goes, and how he comes out of it.
A lot of people especially in the US would love to see a rematch with Jacobs. I know I would. Decent payday as well.

Wouldn't the belts be declared vacant by their respective governing bodies if GGG loses and Canelo isn't sanctioned?

KiwiRider wrote:Even if he does not win, he gets to keep one belt, and if Canelo does not make the second weigh in, make that 2 belts.
One loss does not end his career unless he wants to end it. Depends on how the fight goes, and how he comes out of it.
A lot of people especially in the US would love to see a rematch with Jacobs. I know I would. Decent payday as well.

He wouldn't keep the belts, he's still defending them. Canelo just can't win them. That gassiev/Lebedev nonsense was bizarre even for the alphabet orgs.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He most certainly wouldn't be irrelevant. It would slam the breaks on the unknown as far as his historical standing with dominance over not great opposition. Be hard to have him a top 40 or 50 Middle if canelo smashed him up.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He most certainly wouldn't be irrelevant. It would slam the breaks on the unknown as far as his historical standing with dominance over not great opposition. Be hard to have him a top 40 or 50 Middle if canelo smashed him up.

Good post.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:Even if he does not win, he gets to keep one belt, and if Canelo does not make the second weigh in, make that 2 belts.
One loss does not end his career unless he wants to end it. Depends on how the fight goes, and how he comes out of it.
A lot of people especially in the US would love to see a rematch with Jacobs. I know I would. Decent payday as well.

He wouldn't keep the belts, he's still defending them. Canelo just can't win them. That gassiev/Lebedev nonsense was bizarre even for the alphabet orgs.

Nothing can be bizarre when WBA is involved. If incentive is high enough, they will approve anything.

boxing_rocks wrote:
Nothing can be bizarre when WBA is involved. If incentive is high enough, they will approve anything.

That still doesn't explain them approving Briggs vs Oquendo

Enlightened-One wrote:It’s a no-lose situation for Golovkin, because he’s always received criticism (mostly deserved) for his underwhelming calibre of opponents on his resume. This fight eliminates that flaw in his body of work, since no one would have the audacity to undermine Canelo being perceived as a genuine top-ten pound-for-pounder, despite the Kazakh fighting yet another smaller opponent.

Golovkin’s age, coupled with the frenzied bias of the noisy pro-Mexican crowd that could potentially influence the judges' scoring, could be used as potential excuses if GGG somehow fails to earn a decision victory. So a lot of Golovkin's fan base will inevitably feel that he has been somehow “robbed” regardless of whatever transpires inside the ring.

Simply put: I don’t see how a potential Golovkin defeat to Canelo would tarnish his legacy. He’ll also get paid handsomely for his efforts and nor can I see him losing any fans should the outcome go against him.

Who knows, if the fight proves to be competitive, exciting and a commercial success, Oscar De La Hoya is likely to be very tempted to allow his man (Canelo) to engage in a highly-lucrative rematch against GGG (even if Alvarez wins their first bout).

The Canelo-GGG fight seems to be a win-win situation for everyone involved, due to the amount of money being generated, coupled with the amount of kudos both fighters will inevitably receive from hard-core fight fans for agreeing to engage in a bout competed amongst two top-ten pound-for-pounders.

By far the biggest fight of his life, on the biggest stage is a no lose situation for GGG? You don't have a freaking clue. It's not make or break necessarily, but would be a huge blow to GGG and his legacy.

Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:It’s a no-lose situation for Golovkin, because he’s always received criticism (mostly deserved) for his underwhelming calibre of opponents on his resume. This fight eliminates that flaw in his body of work, since no one would have the audacity to undermine Canelo being perceived as a genuine top-ten pound-for-pounder, despite the Kazakh fighting yet another smaller opponent.

Golovkin’s age, coupled with the frenzied bias of the noisy pro-Mexican crowd that could potentially influence the judges' scoring, could be used as potential excuses if GGG somehow fails to earn a decision victory. So a lot of Golovkin's fan base will inevitably feel that he has been somehow “robbed” regardless of whatever transpires inside the ring.

Simply put: I don’t see how a potential Golovkin defeat to Canelo would tarnish his legacy. He’ll also get paid handsomely for his efforts and nor can I see him losing any fans should the outcome go against him.

Who knows, if the fight proves to be competitive, exciting and a commercial success, Oscar De La Hoya is likely to be very tempted to allow his man (Canelo) to engage in a highly-lucrative rematch against GGG (even if Alvarez wins their first bout).

The Canelo-GGG fight seems to be a win-win situation for everyone involved, due to the amount of money being generated, coupled with the amount of kudos both fighters will inevitably receive from hard-core fight fans for agreeing to engage in a bout competed amongst two top-ten pound-for-pounders.

By far the biggest fight of his life, on the biggest stage is a no lose situation for GGG? You don't have a freaking clue. It's not make or break necessarily, but would be a huge blow to GGG and his legacy.

If Golovkin loses, I don't think he'll be dominated, so defeat could be as trivial as the loss Kovalev suffered during the first Ward bout.

His fans will likely do their upmost to undermine the validity of the loss, like they are already doing by persistently claiming that he cannot possibly gain a decision victory due to a ludicrous accusation about the judges being "corrupt".

Of course, you're right, if GGG gets absolutely obliterated then it would seem that Golovkin was nothing more than a media hype generated "monster", which would likely ruin his hard-earned reputation, but I really can't see that happening.

gilgamesh wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Nothing can be bizarre when WBA is involved. If incentive is high enough, they will approve anything.

That still doesn't explain them approving Briggs vs Oquendo

Wasn't Oquendo suing or threatening to sue ?

boxing_rocks wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Nothing can be bizarre when WBA is involved. If incentive is high enough, they will approve anything.

That still doesn't explain them approving Briggs vs Oquendo

Wasn't Oquendo suing or threatening to sue ?

Oquendo has a court ordered title fight they owe him.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
That still doesn't explain them approving Briggs vs Oquendo

Wasn't Oquendo suing or threatening to sue ?

Oquendo has a court ordered title fight they owe him.

Longest wait for a title fight...EVER...freakin' guys gonna be 60 by the time they finally get around to getting him that shot

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Wasn't Oquendo suing or threatening to sue ?

Oquendo has a court ordered title fight they owe him.

Longest wait for a title fight...EVER...freakin' guys gonna be 60 by the time they finally get around to getting him that shot

He was injured for ages so the WBA didn't have to bother. Now they can't find anyone to fight him for a title they're making up. I don't know how they can say Ortiz is Joshua's mandatory when Oquendo has been owed a shot for 4 years.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He was injured for ages so the WBA didn't have to bother. Now they can't find anyone to fight him for a title they're making up. I don't know how they can say Ortiz is Joshua's mandatory when Oquendo has been owed a shot for 4 years.

Ortiz vs Oquendo...BOOM problem solved

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He was injured for ages so the WBA didn't have to bother. Now they can't find anyone to fight him for a title they're making up. I don't know how they can say Ortiz is Joshua's mandatory when Oquendo has been owed a shot for 4 years.

Ortiz vs Oquendo...BOOM problem solved

The craziest thing about that is Ortiz threw their shit title in the trash like Bowe and then they make him the mandatory for their biggest title for beating nobody.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
The craziest thing about that is Ortiz threw their poo title in the trash like Bowe and then they make him the mandatory for their biggest title for beating nobody.

Ortiz threw his WBA strap in the trash like Bowe? I didn't even hear about that, but that's awesome

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
The craziest thing about that is Ortiz threw their poo title in the trash like Bowe and then they make him the mandatory for their biggest title for beating nobody.

Ortiz threw his WBA strap in the trash like Bowe? I didn't even hear about that, but that's awesome

Not literally, I think it was their midmajor belt. He refused to fight Ustinov on a GBP PPV and they stripped him. Sat on his ass until he could buy out his contract from a promoter that did really well for him. Then he went to the UK for two garbage fights. Meanwhile Oquendo is owed a shot by law, Ustinov is a mandatory and Ortiz has been forgiven for his sins and made super duper mandatory.

Ladies and Gentlemen.....The WBA & Luis "The Cuban Dumb Ass" Ortiz! A match made in remedial life.