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Um, where is he on the rankings? Whoever is in charge of the boxrec P4p/#1 ranking is a joke, he should be included.

He certainly shouldn't be #1. I don't know where Boxrec has him ranked, but they'd be out of their minds to have him #1 as would anyone else. He's coming off a loss, and has struggled immensely in his last 2 fights.

gilgamesh wrote:He certainly shouldn't be #1. I don't know where Boxrec has him ranked, but they'd be out of their minds to have him #1 as would anyone else. He's coming off a loss, and has struggled immensely in his last 2 fights.

You must be a casual. Anyone who knows boxing knows that last fight was a roberry. He should still be undefeated. His record speaks for itself. The current ranking is an embarrassment. I'm pretty sure Andre ward struggled in his last 2 fights and he's still there.

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He certainly shouldn't be #1. I don't know where Boxrec has him ranked, but they'd be out of their minds to have him #1 as would anyone else. He's coming off a loss, and has struggled immensely in his last 2 fights.

You must be a casual. Anyone who knows boxing knows that last fight was a roberry. He should still be undefeated. His record speaks for itself. The current ranking is an embarrassment. I'm pretty sure Andre ward struggled in his last 2 fights and he's still there.

I thought he won his last fight, but even by the fact that it was close enough for him to potentially not get the decision it means he's not P4P #1. Chocolatito is a marvelous fighter, and I'm confident he's gonna win the rematch with the Thai. He's still not gonna be P4P #1. That being said he's one of the best little fighters I've ever seen, and would rank very highly in the all time standings of the weight classes he's competed in. Especially 105-112.

gilgamesh wrote:

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He certainly shouldn't be #1. I don't know where Boxrec has him ranked, but they'd be out of their minds to have him #1 as would anyone else. He's coming off a loss, and has struggled immensely in his last 2 fights.

You must be a casual. Anyone who knows boxing knows that last fight was a roberry. He should still be undefeated. His record speaks for itself. The current ranking is an embarrassment. I'm pretty sure Andre ward struggled in his last 2 fights and he's still there.

I thought he won his last fight, but even by the fact that it was close enough for him to potentially not get the decision it means he's not P4P #1. Chocolatito is a marvelous fighter, and I'm confident he's gonna win the rematch with the Thai. He's still not gonna be P4P #1. That being said he's one of the best little fighters I've ever seen, and would rank very highly in the all time standings of the weight classes he's competed in. Especially 105-112.

It wasn't that close what made it look close was the illegal headbutts he was landing. He should be P4p #1 his record is more impressive than canelo and if I were to bet I'd say GGG has got his number. I'm sure Chocolatito will win the rematch just like he won the 1st and when he does you guys should add him back to the rankings instead of glorifying robberies.

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:
It wasn't that close what made it look close was the illegal headbutts he was landing. He should be P4p #1 his record is more impressive than canelo and if I were to bet I'd say GGG has got his number. I'm sure Chocolatito will win the rematch just like he won the 1st and when he does you guys should add him back to the rankings instead of glorifying robberies.

I rank him ahead of Canelo. Canelo isn't P4P #1 in my book either.

gilgamesh wrote:

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He certainly shouldn't be #1. I don't know where Boxrec has him ranked, but they'd be out of their minds to have him #1 as would anyone else. He's coming off a loss, and has struggled immensely in his last 2 fights.

You must be a casual. Anyone who knows boxing knows that last fight was a roberry. He should still be undefeated. His record speaks for itself. The current ranking is an embarrassment. I'm pretty sure Andre ward struggled in his last 2 fights and he's still there.

I thought he won his last fight, but even by the fact that it was close enough for him to potentially not get the decision it means he's not P4P #1. Chocolatito is a marvelous fighter, and I'm confident he's gonna win the rematch with the Thai. He's still not gonna be P4P #1. That being said he's one of the best little fighters I've ever seen, and would rank very highly in the all time standings of the weight classes he's competed in. Especially 105-112.

Chocolatito at SFW is like if Mayweather moved up to 160 lbs. from 154 lbs. Chocolatito is too small for the division, and he's hanging with bigger, stronger fights. He for sure deserves to be at #1 if one were to think he won his last fight. I thought he lost to Rungvisai, but it was a razor-close fight that could've gone either way. Plus, anyone who actually follows the lower divisions (not many here do) knows that Rungvisai was a dangerous fighter.

Mexi-Box wrote: Chocolatito at SFW is like if Mayweather moved up to 160 lbs. from 154 lbs. Chocolatito is too small for the division, and he's hanging with bigger, stronger fights. He for sure deserves to be at #1 if one were to think he won his last fight. I thought he lost to Rungvisai, but it was a razor-close fight that could've gone either way. Plus, anyone who actually follows the lower divisions (not many here do) knows that Rungvisai was a dangerous fighter.

No...it's not like that.

It's like when Floyd moved up from 130 to 147 maybe, but that's about all I'd give it.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Chocolatito at SFW is like if Mayweather moved up to 160 lbs. from 154 lbs. Chocolatito is too small for the division, and he's hanging with bigger, stronger fights. He for sure deserves to be at #1 if one were to think he won his last fight. I thought he lost to Rungvisai, but it was a razor-close fight that could've gone either way. Plus, anyone who actually follows the lower divisions (not many here do) knows that Rungvisai was a dangerous fighter.

No...it's not like that.

It's like when Floyd moved up from 130 to 147 maybe, but that's about all I'd give it.

Then you are obviously a casual.

gilgamesh wrote:

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:
It wasn't that close what made it look close was the illegal headbutts he was landing. He should be P4p #1 his record is more impressive than canelo and if I were to bet I'd say GGG has got his number. I'm sure Chocolatito will win the rematch just like he won the 1st and when he does you guys should add him back to the rankings instead of glorifying robberies.

I rank him ahead of Canelo. Canelo isn't P4P #1 in my book either.

All right that much we can agree on. Whoever controls the ranking needs a lesson in boxing.

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Chocolatito at SFW is like if Mayweather moved up to 160 lbs. from 154 lbs. Chocolatito is too small for the division, and he's hanging with bigger, stronger fights. He for sure deserves to be at #1 if one were to think he won his last fight. I thought he lost to Rungvisai, but it was a razor-close fight that could've gone either way. Plus, anyone who actually follows the lower divisions (not many here do) knows that Rungvisai was a dangerous fighter.

No...it's not like that.

It's like when Floyd moved up from 130 to 147 maybe, but that's about all I'd give it.

Then you are obviously a casual.

Check the scoreboard on Boxing*Prophet sucka

Mr. Casual is crushing you.

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:
All right that much we can agree on. Whoever controls the ranking needs a lesson in boxing.

Nobody controls the rankings. It's a computer program as I understand it. Boxrec's rankings are not based on human opinion as far as I know.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
No...it's not like that.

It's like when Floyd moved up from 130 to 147 maybe, but that's about all I'd give it.

Then you are obviously a casual.

Check the scoreboard on Boxing*Prophet sucka

Mr. Casual is crushing you.

Yep, a casual. You're equating common boxing knowledge with picking fights. Clean again.

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Then you are obviously a casual.

Check the scoreboard on Boxing*Prophet sucka

Mr. Casual is crushing you.

Yep, a casual. You're equating common boxing knowledge with picking fights. Clean again.

I know more about Boxing than most anybody I ever speak to. I write about it. I have rankings for all 17 weight classes, and I pick the fights at a 90% accuracy of late. I'd like to know what credentials you got that makes you think you're more knowledgeable than me.

Biggest chocolatito fan here. Boxrec has him too low at #19 but I understand that it's based on the algorithm. I tend to agree with Transnational Boxing's pound for pound rating who has him at #3. He might go up to #2 if he looks impressive in his rematch and can easily recover his lb 4 lb crown if he gets past Inoue and/or the Cuadras/Estrada winner, although that is no easy task.

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He certainly shouldn't be #1. I don't know where Boxrec has him ranked, but they'd be out of their minds to have him #1 as would anyone else. He's coming off a loss, and has struggled immensely in his last 2 fights.

You must be a casual. Anyone who knows boxing knows that last fight was a roberry. He should still be undefeated. His record speaks for itself. The current ranking is an embarrassment. I'm pretty sure Andre ward struggled in his last 2 fights and he's still there.

I'm a casual.

Somehow hardcore fans have turned close fights into robberies.
Don't know my exact score, but it was close enough that either way wouldn't have bothered me.

Also, don't compare Kovalev (2x) to Cuadras and Wagnek.
Ward won 2nd fight by KO 8, in a fight in which he had positive momentum.
Against a guy in the argument for P4P #1.

Sorry, Gonzalez is a great fighter, but he was never P4P #1.
HBO signed him and then said it and then you guys believed it.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He certainly shouldn't be #1. I don't know where Boxrec has him ranked, but they'd be out of their minds to have him #1 as would anyone else. He's coming off a loss, and has struggled immensely in his last 2 fights.

You must be a casual. Anyone who knows boxing knows that last fight was a roberry. He should still be undefeated. His record speaks for itself. The current ranking is an embarrassment. I'm pretty sure Andre ward struggled in his last 2 fights and he's still there.

I'm a casual.

Somehow hardcore fans have turned close fights into robberies.
Don't know my exact score, but it was close enough that either way wouldn't have bothered me.

Also, don't compare Kovalev (2x) to Cuadras and Wagnek.
Ward won 2nd fight by KO 8, in a fight in which he had positive momentum.
Against a guy in the argument for P4P #1.

Sorry, Gonzalez is a great fighter, but he was never P4P #1.
HBO signed him and then said it and then you guys believed it.

You can't compare those fights because Ward won both Kovalev fights with controversy. I had Kovalev winning the first fight. He's arguably 1-1 or even 0-2 because he should've been DQ'd for the blatant low-blows.

Gonzalez was p4p #1 by anyone who had half a brain for boxing. Gonzalez at SFW is like Ward at cruiserweight. Gonzalez is an aging fighter in a stacked division where he's also outsized.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Check the scoreboard on Boxing*Prophet sucka

Mr. Casual is crushing you.

Yep, a casual. You're equating common boxing knowledge with picking fights. Clean again.

I know more about Boxing than most anybody I ever speak to. I write about it. I have rankings for all 17 weight classes, and I pick the fights at a 90% accuracy of late. I'd like to know what credentials you got that makes you think you're more knowledgeable than me.

You'd be laughed off of a real forum with the opinions you hold.

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Chocolatito at SFW is like if Mayweather moved up to 160 lbs. from 154 lbs. Chocolatito is too small for the division, and he's hanging with bigger, stronger fights. He for sure deserves to be at #1 if one were to think he won his last fight. I thought he lost to Rungvisai, but it was a razor-close fight that could've gone either way. Plus, anyone who actually follows the lower divisions (not many here do) knows that Rungvisai was a dangerous fighter.

No...it's not like that.

It's like when Floyd moved up from 130 to 147 maybe, but that's about all I'd give it.

Then you are obviously a casual.

Person 1 - I think this

Person 2 - I don't, I think it's this

Person 1 - you're a casual

Nice one mexi

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He certainly shouldn't be #1. I don't know where Boxrec has him ranked, but they'd be out of their minds to have him #1 as would anyone else. He's coming off a loss, and has struggled immensely in his last 2 fights.

You must be a casual. Anyone who knows boxing knows that last fight was a roberry. He should still be undefeated. His record speaks for itself. The current ranking is an embarrassment. I'm pretty sure Andre ward struggled in his last 2 fights and he's still there.

I'm a casual.

Somehow hardcore fans have turned close fights into robberies.
Don't know my exact score, but it was close enough that either way wouldn't have bothered me.

Also, don't compare Kovalev (2x) to Cuadras and Wagnek.
Ward won 2nd fight by KO 8, in a fight in which he had positive momentum.
Against a guy in the argument for P4P #1.

Sorry, Gonzalez is a great fighter, but he was never P4P #1.
HBO signed him and then said it and then you guys believed it.

I can tell. Don't know what fight you were watching El Chocolatito won that pretty clearly it was evident. He was and still is #1. I can compare whoever I want. HBO has more boxing credibility than you ever will. Casual.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Sorry, Gonzalez is a great fighter, but he was never P4P #1.
HBO signed him and then said it and then you guys believed it.

Um, No. Transnational Boxing, Ring, and ESPN had him #1. Most of them had him in the top 2 before he even made his HBO debut.

Gonzalez has looked a shadow at 115 compared to his best a few years earlier - noticeably slower of foot and less explosive generally. Whether he's got the decision on Rungvisai or not he was due a reassessment p4p anyway. And whatever the result of the rematch he should be out of the top five (and maybe top ten) until he can show more of the ability that made him so good at Flyweight and below.

I tend to have a fluid and "what have you done for me lately?" method for rating contemporary fighters p4p which I accept not everyone agrees with. I'll take old fights into account but only weigh them highly of the guy looks like the fighter he was when those fights happened.

Mexi-Box wrote: You'd be laughed off of a real forum with the opinions you hold.

Ok. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

FastestHandsInThewest wrote:HBO has more boxing credibility than you ever will. Casual.

In 3 years, we'll talk about the years on HBO/Showtime as the Dark Ages of Boxing.

Whoever has Gonzo #1 right now is a biased fan who lacks objectivity...... or just a troll.