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"We will do whatever is possible and necessary to make it happen,"
"That's the fight everybody wants to see. Joshua is a tremendous attraction and a positive role model, and Wilder is the same. Two undefeated champions should meet in the ring as soon as possible. Both have commitments to finish, so next year is the time to meet." Sulaiman exclusively told Sky Sports.

It would be great to see AJ don't give any opportunities to Wilder and wbc and just focus on other fights. Eventually Deontay The Bum Bomber Wilder would get KTFO by some bum.

apollo creed wrote:"We will do whatever is possible and necessary to make it happen,"
"That's the fight everybody wants to see. Joshua is a tremendous attraction and a positive role model, and Wilder is the same. Two undefeated champions should meet in the ring as soon as possible. Both have commitments to finish, so next year is the time to meet." Sulaiman exclusively told Sky Sports.

It would be great to see AJ don't give any opportunities to Wilder and wbc and just focus on other fights. Eventually Deontay The Bum Bomber Wilder would get KTFO by some bum.

Ha ha ha, Wilder is a role model AND a tremendous attraction?

Good plan, lets hope they avoid one of the biggest most exiting fights in the division, because, eh. . . . uhhhhhhh. . . .

It seems that the WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman is going to find a way to strip Wilder of his title in order to award Anthony Joshua their championsip, due to the Brit being able to provide them with much larger sanctioning fees… assuming the American refuses to be blackmailed into accepting the terms dictated to him.

The WBC tried to force Mayweather Jr. to take the Pacquiao bout, but neither Floyd nor Manny were willing to allow that organisation to dictate the deadlines and financial terms of the fight.

The same situation happened to Canelo, when he was given an unreasonable deadline to face GGG, even though they knew that the Mexican and his team were obliged to physically attend court for a lawsuit.

The WBC is simply looking for opportunities to make money. They are willing to be very accommodating for highly-lucrative fighters, but not for others. Their inconsistent approach is a real problem for me.

Whilst I’ve been the first person from this forum to constantly bemoan the lack of credible opponents Wilder has faced since he started his championship reign, I can’t support the WBC’s actions in regards to this matter, because they’re purely driven by greed.

KiwiRider wrote:

apollo creed wrote:"We will do whatever is possible and necessary to make it happen,"
"That's the fight everybody wants to see. Joshua is a tremendous attraction and a positive role model, and Wilder is the same. Two undefeated champions should meet in the ring as soon as possible. Both have commitments to finish, so next year is the time to meet." Sulaiman exclusively told Sky Sports.

It would be great to see AJ don't give any opportunities to Wilder and wbc and just focus on other fights. Eventually Deontay The Bum Bomber Wilder would get KTFO by some bum.

Ha ha ha, Wilder is a role model AND a tremendous attraction?

They would say anything to hype things up.

If I was AJ I'd take my mandatories and focus on the WBO champion. Let Wilder and wbc continuing their bum feasting.

Wilder has the ability to win against Joshua. His team believes he can win. They don't view the fight as a cash out. They see it as a contest that either man can win, much like Joshua-Wlad.

KiwiRider wrote:

apollo creed wrote:"We will do whatever is possible and necessary to make it happen,"
"That's the fight everybody wants to see. Joshua is a tremendous attraction and a positive role model, and Wilder is the same. Two undefeated champions should meet in the ring as soon as possible. Both have commitments to finish, so next year is the time to meet." Sulaiman exclusively told Sky Sports.

It would be great to see AJ don't give any opportunities to Wilder and wbc and just focus on other fights. Eventually Deontay The Bum Bomber Wilder would get KTFO by some bum.

Ha ha ha, Wilder is a role model AND a tremendous attraction?

+1

If I were Joshua I would give that belt away and let Ortiz and Wilder fight, I can't wait for the excuse Wilder has found this time to avoid such a fight. As far as I know Wilder can't accept any fight before 20 september because otherwise his drug abuse might show up by a test from a real WADA lab instead of the lab he always used who's suspended till 20 september that banned Povetkin wrongly twice!

Enlightened-One wrote:It seems that the WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman is going to find a way to strip Wilder of his title in order to award Anthony Joshua their championsip, due to the Brit being able to provide them with much larger sanctioning fees… assuming the American refuses to be blackmailed into accepting the terms dictated to him.

The WBC tried to force Mayweather Jr. to take the Pacquiao bout, but neither Floyd nor Manny were willing to allow that organisation to dictate the deadlines and financial terms of the fight.

The same situation happened to Canelo, when he was given an unreasonable deadline to face GGG, even though they knew that the Mexican and his team were obliged to physically attend court for a lawsuit.

The WBC is simply looking for opportunities to make money. They are willing to be very accommodating for highly-lucrative fighters, but not for others. Their inconsistent approach is a real problem for me.

Whilst I’ve been the first person from this forum to constantly bemoan the lack of credible opponents Wilder has faced since he started his championship reign, I can’t support the WBC’s actions in regards to this matter, because they’re purely driven by greed.

Hang on a minute EO, he hasn't had a mandatory defence of his belt since he won it. That in itself is enough to strip him. How long ago did they order the #1 challenger defence? And nothing has been done.
OK so it's not a money maker, but I'm sure Wilder could get a crowd in Alabama to fill a hall, just to get it out of the way?
Look at all the effort Parker and his team have gone to in order to meet his mandatory commitments, add AJ to that list too.
Personally I think Wilder should be stripped.
Am I alone in giving up on this guy to become a legit champion?

KiwiRider wrote:Hang on a minute EO, he hasn't had a mandatory defence of his belt since he won it. That in itself is enough to strip him. How long ago did they order the #1 challenger defence? And nothing has been done.

I have persistently complained about the WBC allowing Deontay Wilder to continue participating in voluntary defences. The fault here lies with the WBC.

Deontay Wilder was injured for much of 2016, so he couldn’t have participated in a mandatory defence even if he wanted to.

In terms of mandatory title defences, he was lined up to face Povetkin, but Alexander failed a drug test at the last-minute. Wilder was then mandated to face the winner of the Povetkin-Stiverne bout, but once again the Russian failed a drug test.

The WBC than installed the PED drug test failing Stiverne to become Wilder’s next mandatory challenger, but both Deontay and the WBC subsequently preferred Luis Ortiz to become the American’s next title challenger instead, because apparently no TV network was willing to cover the proposed Wilder-Stiverne rematch.

The WBC wants to be paid their sanctioning fees, hence their preference for Wilder to face Ortiz… and the World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman has even confirmed that he’s trying to do a deal with Bermane Stiverne to ensure this bout happens.

Why would the WBC try to do a deal with Stiverne and also backtrack on their previous decision if they weren’t motivated by the sanctioning fees that would be ultimately funded by the TV money?

Whilst Deontay Wilder’s championship reign has been pretty appalling, the WBC is solely responsible for this situation. The American heavyweight has simply exploited it, but perhaps he won’t be able to do so for much longer, because the TV networks expect him to face a minimum calibre of opposition (i.e. by facing someone like Ortiz instead of Stiverne).

Unfortunately though, fight fans appear to unfairly blame the fighter for the WBC’s decision-making.

For the record, there was a time when I was the only person from this forum that dared to have the sheer audacity to criticise Deontay Wilder’s resume, which resulted in me receiving an awful lot of personal insults from other posters that were offended by the nature of my comments. So my opinion on this matter is not unduly influenced by any personal bias.

Deontay is aware of the criticism against his opponent quality. He is refusing any fight other than Ortiz, Joshua, Parker or a mandatory.

Enlightened-One wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:Hang on a minute EO, he hasn't had a mandatory defence of his belt since he won it. That in itself is enough to strip him. How long ago did they order the #1 challenger defence? And nothing has been done.

I have persistently complained about the WBC allowing Deontay Wilder to continue participating in voluntary defences. The fault here lies with the WBC.

Deontay Wilder was injured for much of 2016, so he couldn’t have participated in a mandatory defence even if he wanted to.

In terms of mandatory title defences, he was lined up to face Povetkin, but Alexander failed a drug test at the last-minute. Wilder was then mandated to face the winner of the Povetkin-Stiverne bout, but once again the Russian failed a drug test.

The WBC than installed the PED drug test failing Stiverne to become Wilder’s next mandatory challenger, but both Deontay and the WBC subsequently preferred Luis Ortiz to become the American’s next title challenger instead, because apparently no TV network was willing to cover the proposed Wilder-Stiverne rematch.

The WBC wants to be paid their sanctioning fees, hence their preference for Wilder to face Ortiz… and the World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman has even confirmed that he’s trying to do a deal with Bermane Stiverne to ensure this bout happens.

Why would the WBC try to do a deal with Stiverne and also backtrack on their previous decision if they weren’t motivated by the sanctioning fees that would be ultimately funded by the TV money?

Whilst Deontay Wilder’s championship reign has been pretty appalling, the WBC is solely responsible for this situation. The American heavyweight has simply exploited it, but perhaps he won’t be able to do so for much longer, because the TV networks expect him to face a minimum calibre of opposition (i.e. by facing someone like Ortiz instead of Stiverne).

Unfortunately though, fight fans appear to unfairly blame the fighter for the WBC’s decision-making.

For the record, there was a time when I was the only person from this forum that dared to have the sheer audacity to criticise Deontay Wilder’s resume, which resulted in me receiving an awful lot of personal insults from other posters that were offended by the nature of my comments. So my opinion on this matter is not unduly influenced by any personal bias.

Yep.
You nailed it better than I could
I remember when he won the belt, American boxing fans were so excited to have a HW champion again, and I think Detonay has let them down. AJ has overshadowed his success because Wilder will not step up and fight the best. I know he has had hand and shoulder injurys, but he has also had plenty of "voluntary" defences. The sad thing is, I actually rate him to beat most of the top 10 HW's but we are still hearing lots of talk and that's it. A win against Ortiz and he is back in the mix, a loss against Ortiz and I will give him respect for at least trying..

BitPlayer wrote:Good plan, lets hope they avoid one of the biggest most exiting fights in the division, because, eh. . . . uhhhhhhh. . . .

Joshua - Wilder would be very good. But an even better fight would be Joshua - Wilder after Wilder gets a great win. Like if Joshua fought Pulev, Wilder fought Ortiz, and the winners met. Certainly it would be asinine if Joshua and Wilder permanently avoided fighting. But it could be for the best if they briefly avoided each other and met up a little later for a bigger fight.

apollo creed wrote:"We will do whatever is possible and necessary to make it happen,"
"That's the fight everybody wants to see. Joshua is a tremendous attraction and a positive role model, and Wilder is the same. Two undefeated champions should meet in the ring as soon as possible. Both have commitments to finish, so next year is the time to meet." Sulaiman exclusively told Sky Sports.

It would be great to see AJ don't give any opportunities to Wilder and wbc and just focus on other fights. Eventually Deontay The Bum Bomber Wilder would get KTFO by some bum.

You are an idiot. What you say makes no sense at all. You are one of many that is afraid Wilder might burst Joshua's bubble. Let them fight and see who is best. That's ok though...you are probably too dumb to realize that. Carry on doofus.

Joshua should fight Ortiz instead of chickenshit Pulev. Does he now all of a sudden care about certain belts? As long as he fights the winner of Wilder/Ortiz I will be fine.

Badhusker wrote:

apollo creed wrote:"We will do whatever is possible and necessary to make it happen,"
"That's the fight everybody wants to see. Joshua is a tremendous attraction and a positive role model, and Wilder is the same. Two undefeated champions should meet in the ring as soon as possible. Both have commitments to finish, so next year is the time to meet." Sulaiman exclusively told Sky Sports.

It would be great to see AJ don't give any opportunities to Wilder and wbc and just focus on other fights. Eventually Deontay The Bum Bomber Wilder would get KTFO by some bum.

You are an idiot. What you say makes no sense at all. You are one of many that is afraid Wilder might burst Joshua's bubble. Let them fight and see who is best. That's ok though...you are probably too dumb to realize that. Carry on doofus.

Joshua should fight Ortiz instead of chickenshit Pulev. Does he now all of a sudden care about certain belts? As long as he fights the winner of Wilder/Ortiz I will be fine.

Afraid for Wilder, I think Wilder is at similar level like Whyte, perhaps even Miller or Kownacki, all kind of guys who still need to proof themself against guys like Povetkin, or indeed Ortiz.

Do you find wilder dwarf like?

Wilder didn't nothing to earn a shot at AJ! At least he should fight an old Ortiz or Parker and then call out AJ!

apollo creed wrote:Wilder didn't nothing to earn a shot to AJ! At least he should fight an old Ortiz or Parker and then call out AJ!

Eddie was pretty clear about AJ's future and it didn't include an immediate match with Wilder. To make the fight saleable Wilder needs one decent opponent,to raise his profile, and so does Parker for that matter- and I mean after Huey Fury. Discerning fans are not going to PPV for just anybody. And that is where the money is.

KiwiRider wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Wilder didn't nothing to earn a shot to AJ! At least he should fight an old Ortiz or Parker and then call out AJ!

Eddie was pretty clear about AJ's future and it didn't include an immediate match with Wilder. To make the fight saleable Wilder needs one decent opponent,to raise his profile, and so does Parker for that matter- and I mean after Huey Fury. Discerning fans are not going to PPV for just anybody. And that is where the money is.

Anthony Joshua’s bouts against Eric Molina, Dominic Breazeale, Charles Martin & Dillian Whyte were all televised by Sky Sports’ Box Office, which is PPV.

Enlightened-One wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Wilder didn't nothing to earn a shot to AJ! At least he should fight an old Ortiz or Parker and then call out AJ!

Eddie was pretty clear about AJ's future and it didn't include an immediate match with Wilder. To make the fight saleable Wilder needs one decent opponent,to raise his profile, and so does Parker for that matter- and I mean after Huey Fury. Discerning fans are not going to PPV for just anybody. And that is where the money is.

Anthony Joshua’s bouts against Eric Molina, Dominic Breazeale, Charles Martin & Dillian Whyte were all televised by Sky Sports’ Box Office, which is PPV.

Yes, in the UK and for Wlad a fee more countries. I was thinking of the wider market like the USA and Europe.

Badhusker wrote:

apollo creed wrote:"We will do whatever is possible and necessary to make it happen,"
"That's the fight everybody wants to see. Joshua is a tremendous attraction and a positive role model, and Wilder is the same. Two undefeated champions should meet in the ring as soon as possible. Both have commitments to finish, so next year is the time to meet." Sulaiman exclusively told Sky Sports.

It would be great to see AJ don't give any opportunities to Wilder and wbc and just focus on other fights. Eventually Deontay The Bum Bomber Wilder would get KTFO by some bum.

You are an idiot. What you say makes no sense at all. You are one of many that is afraid Wilder might burst Joshua's bubble. Let them fight and see who is best. That's ok though...you are probably too dumb to realize that. Carry on doofus.

Joshua should fight Ortiz instead of chickenshit Pulev. Does he now all of a sudden care about certain belts? As long as he fights the winner of Wilder/Ortiz I will be fine.

As usual your commitment to defend wilder slants your comments vs Joshua

Pulev is one of the best opponents Joshua could face. Joshua has already faced the best in Wlad. Pulev is 100% better than anyone wilder has faced. Pulev may even be better than wilder. The difference between pulev and Ortiz isn't much, though I too would side with Ortiz being the slightly bigger task.

By all means defend your guy wilder as you see fit, but to criticise Joshua's opponents after 19/20 pro bouts, 60 odd rounds, when he's just beaten the main man, while wilder has fought no hopers... come on

An AJ and Wilder fight would make peanuts if they decided to fight now. That is the result of not having a big outfit like HBO in charge of marketing and building interest for the fight for you. This is also why this fight will not happen for years. AJ hasn't fought since April and STILL hasn't announced his next fight and defense...how is that possible? This is why the heavyweight division sucks. Joshua had us all eating out of his hand and that seems like an eternity now since that last fight. 5 months since and nothing.

Don't even talk about Wilder..he hasn't fought since Feb...he's obviously a joke. But Joshua needs to stay busy if he wants to be the next great one.

caldo2025 wrote:An AJ and Wilder fight would make peanuts if they decided to fight now. That is the result of not having a big outfit like HBO in charge of marketing and building interest for the fight for you. This is also why this fight will not happen for years. AJ hasn't fought since April and STILL hasn't announced his next fight and defense...how is that possible? This is why the heavyweight division sucks. Joshua had us all eating out of his hand and that seems like an eternity now since that last fight. 5 months since and nothing.

Don't even talk about Wilder..he hasn't fought since Feb...he's obviously a joke. But Joshua needs to stay busy if he wants to be the next great one.

If wilder fights Joshua in England I can guarantee that makes money

Re Joshua inactivity and no fight announced, Wlad took his time on whether he wanted the rematch, so a lot of water has passed under the bridge while Joshua has been waiting on him. He's not been sitting on his arse refusing fights. This current delay is mostly out his hands

Ossyrules wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:An AJ and Wilder fight would make peanuts if they decided to fight now. That is the result of not having a big outfit like HBO in charge of marketing and building interest for the fight for you. This is also why this fight will not happen for years. AJ hasn't fought since April and STILL hasn't announced his next fight and defense...how is that possible? This is why the heavyweight division sucks. Joshua had us all eating out of his hand and that seems like an eternity now since that last fight. 5 months since and nothing.

Don't even talk about Wilder..he hasn't fought since Feb...he's obviously a joke. But Joshua needs to stay busy if he wants to be the next great one.

If wilder fights Joshua in England I can guarantee that makes money

Re Joshua inactivity and no fight announced, Wlad took his time on whether he wanted the rematch, so a lot of water has passed under the bridge while Joshua has been waiting on him. He's not been sitting on his arse refusing fights. This current delay is mostly out his hands

Fair enough. Wlad's announcement wasn't too long ago so you're right. He's got to get something on the books now though...even if it's against a fish like Wilder only defends his title against. Yes, I agree that any Joshua fight in England will be a huge draw in England but not worldwide like it could be with proper marketing. Wilder vs. Joshua would be a fantastic fight IMO that is PPV worthy and it would be a shame to leave so much money on the table when it could be the largest grossing fight in 2018.

Ossyrules wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

apollo creed wrote:"We will do whatever is possible and necessary to make it happen,"
"That's the fight everybody wants to see. Joshua is a tremendous attraction and a positive role model, and Wilder is the same. Two undefeated champions should meet in the ring as soon as possible. Both have commitments to finish, so next year is the time to meet." Sulaiman exclusively told Sky Sports.

It would be great to see AJ don't give any opportunities to Wilder and wbc and just focus on other fights. Eventually Deontay The Bum Bomber Wilder would get KTFO by some bum.

You are an idiot. What you say makes no sense at all. You are one of many that is afraid Wilder might burst Joshua's bubble. Let them fight and see who is best. That's ok though...you are probably too dumb to realize that. Carry on doofus.

Joshua should fight Ortiz instead of chickenshit Pulev. Does he now all of a sudden care about certain belts? As long as he fights the winner of Wilder/Ortiz I will be fine.

As usual your commitment to defend wilder slants your comments vs Joshua

Pulev is one of the best opponents Joshua could face. Joshua has already faced the best in Wlad. Pulev is 100% better than anyone wilder has faced. Pulev may even be better than wilder. The difference between pulev and Ortiz isn't much, though I too would side with Ortiz being the slightly bigger task.

By all means defend your guy wilder as you see fit, but to criticise Joshua's opponents after 19/20 pro bouts, 60 odd rounds, when he's just beaten the main man, while wilder has fought no hopers... come on

Yeah, Wilder should just fight someone like Ortiz or Parker/Hughie winner to have decent name on his resumate. He just sitting there fighting bum after bum in endless voluntary defenses to protect his belt and his O , hoping that AJ would say YES to him.