Page 1 of 1
Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 03 Sep 2017, 13:55
by Ruthless-RKO
Jeff Horn admitted to being "annoyed" after Manny Pacquiao pulled out of a rematch, but the Australian has now set his sights on American Jesse Vargas in a defence of his WBO welterweight title.
Horn upset Pacquiao in a victory July 2, but hopes of a rematch for Nov. 12 were dashed last Friday when the Filipino pulled out.
"I'm frustrated. I'm kind of annoyed that it's taken this long to make a decision but, look, that's boxing, I'm figuring out that now. That's what happens at the top of the game, guys mess around with you a lot," Horn told Reuters.
He added:
"Yeah, [Jesse] Vargas is a fight that we'd definitely take. He's a tough competitor and he's been world champion, he's held my belt just before Pacquiao, so he'd definitely be a tough fight and worthy opponent."
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id ... le-rematch
TBH, looking at the current WBO rankings..
1 Manny Pacquiao (Sup. Champion
2 Lucas Matthysse (International)
3 Bradley Skeete
4 Egidijus Kavaliauskas
5 Konstantin Ponomarev
6 Taras Shelestyuk
7 Giovanni Santillan (NABO)
8 Adrian Luciano Veron (Latino)
9 Jessie Vargas
10 Ray Robinson
11 Gary Corcoran (Inter-Cont)
12 Stephen Danyo (WBO Europe)
13 Carlos Ocampo
14 Qudratillo Abduguharov
15 Custio Clayton
Who would you rather see Horn fight?
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 03 Sep 2017, 14:03
by gilgamesh
Lucas Matthysse or Jessie Vargas work for me.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 03 Sep 2017, 17:27
by Badhusker
gilgamesh wrote:Lucas Matthysse or Jessie Vargas work for me.
Other than being with Top Rank, neither guy deserves a title shot. I'm not even sure if Matthysse is....or Horn either. Matthysse has done nothing at welter yet, and got KO'd by Postol.
Give the shot to Spence for a unification. I hope they do that or give Crawford a shot at Horn. Horn was running his mouth, lets see if he can walk the walk.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 03 Sep 2017, 17:38
by Ruthless-RKO
Badhusker wrote:gilgamesh wrote:Lucas Matthysse or Jessie Vargas work for me.
Other than being with Top Rank, neither guy deserves a title shot. I'm not even sure if Matthysse is....or Horn either. Matthysse has done nothing at welter yet, and got KO'd by Postol.
Give the shot to Spence for a unification. I hope they do that or give Crawford a shot at Horn. Horn was running his mouth, lets see if he can walk the walk.
Isn't Matthysse with Golden Boy
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 03 Sep 2017, 18:01
by DaveyMac
If he has any pride he will fight Ray Robinson, the most ducked fighter in the division.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 03 Sep 2017, 18:05
by Tanzio
Hitman Jr should step in.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 03 Sep 2017, 18:56
by Mexi-Box
Out of that list, Qudratillo Abduguharov deserves it the most, and I'd love to see it. Jesse Vargas isn't a bad matchup though.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 01:26
by Best Coast
Anyone who fights Horn in Australia had better KO him.
After that fiasco decision Horn got over Pac I wouldnt blame ANY fighter for shying away from fighting in Oz.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 06:24
by BIGDOUG58
Only idiots would say that.
Fighting Horn in Australia has nothing to do with the Venue,
they were 2 American Judges and a Judge from Argentina.
and an American Referee. Horn won a UN DEC. Enough Said.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 06:50
by Sids
Brandon Rios
Victor Ortiz
Mike Alvarado
Amir Khan
Some other options... maybe.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 06:52
by Sids
Heard he is considering fighting Mundine...

Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 10:20
by armageto
DaveyMac wrote:If he has any pride he will fight Ray Robinson, the most ducked fighter in the division.
Nobody is ducking him. His best two opponents he faced he lost to. His best win is who? Maybe Ray Nahr 4 years ago...
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 17:48
by Ruthless-RKO
Sids wrote:Brandon Rios
Victor Ortiz
Mike Alvarado
Amir Khan
Some other options... maybe.
It would be a non-title fight as a voluntary would have to be top 15 as far as i'm aware.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 18:15
by Badhusker
DaveyMac wrote:If he has any pride he will fight Ray Robinson, the most ducked fighter in the division.

That's a good one.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 18:20
by Badhusker
Does anyone know who promotes Horn? Spence or Thurman should be the fight. I have a feeling Arum has Horn so he can have Vargas fight him. Vargas is a light hitter that couldn't compete with Pac or Bradley.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 18:53
by KiwiRider
Badhusker wrote:Does anyone know who promotes Horn? Spence or Thurman should be the fight. I have a feeling Arum has Horn so he can have Vargas fight him. Vargas is a light hitter that couldn't compete with Pac or Bradley.
Duco Events, same as Parker.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 18:59
by Tanzio
Badhusker wrote:Does anyone know who promotes Horn? Spence or Thurman should be the fight. I have a feeling Arum has Horn so he can have Vargas fight him. Vargas is a light hitter that couldn't compete with Pac or Bradley.
Vargas lost but he competed. Horn v Vargas would be very interesting.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 19:04
by Badhusker
Tanzio wrote:Badhusker wrote:Does anyone know who promotes Horn? Spence or Thurman should be the fight. I have a feeling Arum has Horn so he can have Vargas fight him. Vargas is a light hitter that couldn't compete with Pac or Bradley.
Vargas lost but he competed. Horn v Vargas would be very interesting.
That is true, but I cringe at the thought of a guy like Vargas getting a shot at a title, especially one he can win. I guess he would be no worse champion than Horn, so I should just be happy with it.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 19:11
by KiwiRider
Sids wrote:Heard he is considering fighting Mundine...

Yeah I heard that too.
I got one word for that;
Nooooo!!!!!
![[icon_witsend.gif] :witzend:](./images/smilies/icon_witsend.gif)
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 19:12
by Tanzio
KiwiRider wrote:Sids wrote:Heard he is considering fighting Mundine...

Yeah I heard that too.
I got one word for that;
Nooooo!!!!!
![[icon_witsend.gif] :witzend:](./images/smilies/icon_witsend.gif)
MMA rules?
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 04 Sep 2017, 19:18
by KiwiRider
Tanzio wrote:KiwiRider wrote:Sids wrote:Heard he is considering fighting Mundine...

Yeah I heard that too.
I got one word for that;
Nooooo!!!!!
![[icon_witsend.gif] :witzend:](./images/smilies/icon_witsend.gif)
MMA rules?
No but Anthony will get a pensioner discount from the WBO on his %
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 05 Sep 2017, 02:50
by DaveyMac
Badhusker wrote:DaveyMac wrote:If he has any pride he will fight Ray Robinson, the most ducked fighter in the division.

That's a good one.
Believe me he is, even when he has a mandatory guys refuse to fight him.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 05 Sep 2017, 02:52
by DaveyMac
armageto wrote:DaveyMac wrote:If he has any pride he will fight Ray Robinson, the most ducked fighter in the division.
Nobody is ducking him. His best two opponents he faced he lost to. His best win is who? Maybe Ray Nahr 4 years ago...
Lamont Peterson refused a mandatory against him.
Danny Garcia fought a non-title fight rather than fight him when he was the only available ranked opponent. And that fight was in the hometown they share.
He lost eight years ago on the road to Shawn Porter and Brad Solomon and since has beat everyone he possibly can but people won't fight him.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 05 Sep 2017, 09:51
by armageto
DaveyMac wrote:armageto wrote:DaveyMac wrote:If he has any pride he will fight Ray Robinson, the most ducked fighter in the division.
Nobody is ducking him. His best two opponents he faced he lost to. His best win is who? Maybe Ray Nahr 4 years ago...
Lamont Peterson refused a mandatory against him.
Danny Garcia fought a non-title fight rather than fight him when he was the only available ranked opponent. And that fight was in the hometown they share.
He lost eight years ago on the road to Shawn Porter and Brad Solomon and since has beat everyone he possibly can but people won't fight him.
Do you honestly mean to tell me that Garcia has fought Thurman, Matthysse, and Peterson, but is running from Robinson? I haven't seen Robinson in a few years, but unless he has drastically improved, he's not a top level guy. He's not even a level below the top level guys. I guess we have to see him prove it in the ring, but I've never been overall impressed with him honestly.
Re: Jeff Horn eyes Jesse Vargas after Manny Pacquiao withdrawal
Posted: 05 Sep 2017, 20:10
by Kalan
I would love to see Horn fight Egidijus Kavaliauskas actually... He would get knocked kicking -- so you wouldn't have to worry about corrupt judges.
The sad thing is that Egidijus Kavaliauskas has been a professional for going on 5 years and he has 17 fights... For me that's ridiculous when you consider Joe Louis had far fewer amateur fights than Kavaliauskas and fought Primo Carnera when he had 11 months experience -- and fought Max Baer when he had 14 months experience... He had many more fights... Mike Tyson had the Heavyweight Championship 18 months after he turned professional, in his 28th fight.
These days, no matter how good you are they put you on the shelf and let you die there... You're in your mid 30's before you get any opportunity.