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Floyd definitely had the better career but comparing them on their best night is interesting. Floyd is technically perfect on his best night but Roy didn't have to even be technical and was still unhittable. So I go with Roy/Floyd.

Roy/Floyd for the same reasons as above.

I have never seen a fighter below the heavyweight class that had THE RARE COMBINATION of speed and power like the great Roy Jones, Jr. He was something else in that regard.

Pretty Boy Floyd had a much better career than Super Roy.

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd definitely had the better career but comparing them on their best night is interesting. Floyd is technically perfect on his best night but Roy didn't have to even be technical and was still unhittable. So I go with Roy/Floyd.

Roy was always hittable... Everyone is always hittable... There's no magicians out there, but it depends on who you're boxing.. I've been through sparring sessions where I'd swear I was never hit once.. Then you look at the video and you did get hit.. You were so focused you don't remember getting hit because you're so in the moment, looking for the next opening and anticipating your opponents next punch, feint, or move that you disregard getting hit.. If something hard lands you remember because there's a good reason it scored.. But this is why you hear boxers who obviously lost the fight say "Everybody saw what happened. I clearly won the fight." It's not until they watch the fight until they realize what happened.

Floyd was a much better boxer than Roy... Roy was a better puncher and he was physically stronger for his size.. At 35, Floyd would never have gotten hit with the KO shots from Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson that slammed into Roy.. When Lou Del Valle floored Roy.. Mayweather wouldn't have gotten caught.

Kalan wrote:I've been through sparring sessions.

What years did you spar?

Kalan wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd definitely had the better career but comparing them on their best night is interesting. Floyd is technically perfect on his best night but Roy didn't have to even be technical and was still unhittable. So I go with Roy/Floyd.

Roy was always hittable... Everyone is always hittable... There's no magicians out there, but it depends on who you're boxing.. I've been through sparring sessions where I'd swear I was never hit once.. Then you look at the video and you did get hit.. You were so focused you don't remember getting hit because you're so in the moment, looking for the next opening and anticipating your opponents next punch, feint, or move that you disregard getting hit.. If something hard lands you remember because there's a good reason it scored.. But this is why you hear boxers who obviously lost the fight say "Everybody saw what happened. I clearly won the fight." It's not until they watch the fight until they realize what happened.

Floyd was a much better boxer than Roy... Roy was a better puncher and he was physically stronger for his size.. At 35, Floyd would never have gotten hit with the KO shots from Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson that slammed into Roy.. When Lou Del Valle floored Roy.. Mayweather wouldn't have gotten caught.

You haven't paid any attention to the OP question. Roy didn't fight neither Tarver nor Johnson in his prime let alone his best night. The question was who was better on their best night. Roy didn't even have to be technical in his prime and no one could touch him.

I would say of the two, Jones had the better career. Jones had th loss to Griffin while Mayweather had to have the judges bail him out when he slept walked his way through the first Castillo fight. Jones at least has the win over Toney. Mayweather has names on his record but no wins over great fighters who were still in their prime when he fought them. Jones has wins like that as well.

Best night? Guess I would have to go with Jones again. They each had a ton of easy wins where they could do pretty much what they wanted to. However, Jones did it against Toney.

The more dazzling, eye catching offensive talent comes from Roy Jones

The better overall fighter is and was Floyd Mayweather.

For me it's Floyd/Floyd.

Kalan wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd definitely had the better career but comparing them on their best night is interesting. Floyd is technically perfect on his best night but Roy didn't have to even be technical and was still unhittable. So I go with Roy/Floyd.

Roy was always hittable... Everyone is always hittable... There's no magicians out there, but it depends on who you're boxing.. I've been through sparring sessions where I'd swear I was never hit once.. Then you look at the video and you did get hit.. You were so focused you don't remember getting hit because you're so in the moment, looking for the next opening and anticipating your opponents next punch, feint, or move that you disregard getting hit.. If something hard lands you remember because there's a good reason it scored.. But this is why you hear boxers who obviously lost the fight say "Everybody saw what happened. I clearly won the fight." It's not until they watch the fight until they realize what happened.

Floyd was a much better boxer than Roy... Roy was a better puncher and he was physically stronger for his size.. At 35, Floyd would never have gotten hit with the KO shots from Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson that slammed into Roy.. When Lou Del Valle floored Roy.. Mayweather wouldn't have gotten caught.

People videod sparring sessions back in your day? Don't you claim to be 70?

Not just sparring sessions. Many people had video cameras and home videos were big. It wasn't the horse and buggy era. We even had color TV

IKSRTFO wrote:

Kalan wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd definitely had the better career but comparing them on their best night is interesting. Floyd is technically perfect on his best night but Roy didn't have to even be technical and was still unhittable. So I go with Roy/Floyd.

Roy was always hittable... Everyone is always hittable... There's no magicians out there, but it depends on who you're boxing.. I've been through sparring sessions where I'd swear I was never hit once.. Then you look at the video and you did get hit.. You were so focused you don't remember getting hit because you're so in the moment, looking for the next opening and anticipating your opponents next punch, feint, or move that you disregard getting hit.. If something hard lands you remember because there's a good reason it scored.. But this is why you hear boxers who obviously lost the fight say "Everybody saw what happened. I clearly won the fight." It's not until they watch the fight until they realize what happened.

Floyd was a much better boxer than Roy... Roy was a better puncher and he was physically stronger for his size.. At 35, Floyd would never have gotten hit with the KO shots from Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson that slammed into Roy.. When Lou Del Valle floored Roy.. Mayweather wouldn't have gotten caught.

You haven't paid any attention to the OP question. Roy didn't fight neither Tarver nor Johnson in his prime let alone his best night. The question was who was better on their best night. Roy didn't even have to be technical in his prime and no one could touch him.

Well let's see.. Floyd fought until he was 40 without ever getting knocked on his butt.. And Roy gets excused for fighting OLDER men like Tarver and Johnson and getting his ass cleaned up at 35??? Hmmm...Triple-G is 35.... Is anyone going to give GGG a pass if he gets knocked out by Canelo??? ... Lou Del Valle knocked Roy on his ass when Roy was in his 20's -- so I guess you're a fanboy and Roy wasn't "unhittable."

Roy/Floyd

Kalan wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd definitely had the better career but comparing them on their best night is interesting. Floyd is technically perfect on his best night but Roy didn't have to even be technical and was still unhittable. So I go with Roy/Floyd.

Roy was always hittable... Everyone is always hittable... There's no magicians out there, but it depends on who you're boxing.. I've been through sparring sessions where I'd swear I was never hit once.. Then you look at the video and you did get hit.. You were so focused you don't remember getting hit because you're so in the moment, looking for the next opening and anticipating your opponents next punch, feint, or move that you disregard getting hit.. If something hard lands you remember because there's a good reason it scored.. But this is why you hear boxers who obviously lost the fight say "Everybody saw what happened. I clearly won the fight." It's not until they watch the fight until they realize what happened.

Floyd was a much better boxer than Roy... Roy was a better puncher and he was physically stronger for his size.. At 35, Floyd would never have gotten hit with the KO shots from Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson that slammed into Roy.. When Lou Del Valle floored Roy.. Mayweather wouldn't have gotten caught.

Kalan goes against general consensus in shock horror storyline

Kalan wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Roy was always hittable... Everyone is always hittable... There's no magicians out there, but it depends on who you're boxing.. I've been through sparring sessions where I'd swear I was never hit once.. Then you look at the video and you did get hit.. You were so focused you don't remember getting hit because you're so in the moment, looking for the next opening and anticipating your opponents next punch, feint, or move that you disregard getting hit.. If something hard lands you remember because there's a good reason it scored.. But this is why you hear boxers who obviously lost the fight say "Everybody saw what happened. I clearly won the fight." It's not until they watch the fight until they realize what happened.

Floyd was a much better boxer than Roy... Roy was a better puncher and he was physically stronger for his size.. At 35, Floyd would never have gotten hit with the KO shots from Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson that slammed into Roy.. When Lou Del Valle floored Roy.. Mayweather wouldn't have gotten caught.

You haven't paid any attention to the OP question. Roy didn't fight neither Tarver nor Johnson in his prime let alone his best night. The question was who was better on their best night. Roy didn't even have to be technical in his prime and no one could touch him.

Well let's see.. Floyd fought until he was 40 without ever getting knocked on his butt.. And Roy gets excused for fighting OLDER men like Tarver and Johnson and getting his ass cleaned up at 35??? Hmmm...Triple-G is 35.... Is anyone going to give GGG a pass if he gets knocked out by Canelo??? ... Lou Del Valle knocked Roy on his ass when Roy was in his 20's -- so I guess you're a fanboy and Roy wasn't "unhittable."

The FIRST QUESTION is who is better on their BEST night not who was better overall.

Kalan wrote:Not just sparring sessions. Many people had video cameras and home videos were big. It wasn't the horse and buggy era. We even had color TV

I was complimenting you. Hence the I just wanted to know which years were you were sparring. Is that such a terrible question? If you can't even answer a simple and polite question, it's no wonder so few people post on here.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Kalan wrote:Not just sparring sessions. Many people had video cameras and home videos were big. It wasn't the horse and buggy era. We even had color TV

I was complimenting you. Hence the I just wanted to know which years were you were sparring. Is that such a terrible question? If you can't even answer a simple and polite question, it's no wonder so few people post on here.

I didn't see the question.. In the mid 70's.. I was involved with other sports. I liked to watch Boxing but I had no interest in boxing myself. A ranked Heavyweight approached me and asked if I was a boxer. I said no. He invited me down to the gym to "punch the mitts" He said I walk, move, and look like a boxer. His trainer showed me how to stand, get distance on my jab. He moved my head, shoulders, and stance all around. He showed me the right balance. How my feet, knees, and torso should be.. In a couple weeks I started sparring.. It was a more technical game than I thought so it grew on me.

Kalan wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Kalan wrote:Not just sparring sessions. Many people had video cameras and home videos were big. It wasn't the horse and buggy era. We even had color TV

I was complimenting you. Hence the I just wanted to know which years were you were sparring. Is that such a terrible question? If you can't even answer a simple and polite question, it's no wonder so few people post on here.

I didn't see the question.. In the mid 70's.. I was involved with other sports. I liked to watch Boxing but I had no interest in boxing myself. A ranked Heavyweight approached me and asked if I was a boxer. I said no. He invited me down to the gym to "punch the mitts" He said I walk, move, and look like a boxer. His trainer showed me how to stand, get distance on my jab. He moved my head, shoulders, and stance all around. He showed me the right balance. How my feet, knees, and torso should be.. In a couple weeks I started sparring.. It was a more technical game than I thought so it grew on me.

That's interesting, I was mentored by an excellent amateur boxer, who has to retire due to eye damage. Did you spar the ranked guy?

I believe they both fought in the MW division......Floyd was above 150 for Cotto and DLH....Roy was under 155 for his first 10 fights.

So how does MW Floyd do VS MW Roy?


Roy ....young fast talented Floyd old experienced and solidly skilled.



I'm sort of with the Roy/Floyd crowd I suppose......but the match up at MW does intrigue me.

BoxBuzz wrote:I believe they both fought in the MW division......Floyd was above 150 for Cotto and DLH....Roy was under 155 for his first 10 fights.

So how does MW Floyd do VS MW Roy?


Roy ....young fast talented Floyd old experienced and solidly skilled.



I'm sort of with the Roy/Floyd crowd I suppose......but the match up at MW does intrigue me.

It would have not be a fair fight for the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Super Roy was too fast and powerful, with dazzling reflexes. No way Pretty Boy Floyd beats the great Roy Jones, Jr at jr middleweight or middleweight.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Kalan wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
I was complimenting you. Hence the I just wanted to know which years were you were sparring. Is that such a terrible question? If you can't even answer a simple and polite question, it's no wonder so few people post on here.

I didn't see the question.. In the mid 70's.. I was involved with other sports. I liked to watch Boxing but I had no interest in boxing myself. A ranked Heavyweight approached me and asked if I was a boxer. I said no. He invited me down to the gym to "punch the mitts" He said I walk, move, and look like a boxer. His trainer showed me how to stand, get distance on my jab. He moved my head, shoulders, and stance all around. He showed me the right balance. How my feet, knees, and torso should be.. In a couple weeks I started sparring.. It was a more technical game than I thought so it grew on me.

That's interesting, I was mentored by an excellent amateur boxer, who has to retire due to eye damage. Did you spar the ranked guy?

Yes.. He beat me up for 6 or 7 months. Then we were even for a couple months, and then I started to pull ahead of him. I thought if you can beat one guy you should easily beat all the guys he beats up, but that isn't the case. You need a great variety of spar-mates because they all have different strengths you're not used to.. It's really great to be somebody very rich like Anthony Joshua.. You can just buy up all the spar-mates you need because you're going to be punching them around a lot -- and it may not be as much fun for them as it is for you.

elmersalsa wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I believe they both fought in the MW division......Floyd was above 150 for Cotto and DLH....Roy was under 155 for his first 10 fights.

So how does MW Floyd do VS MW Roy?


Roy ....young fast talented Floyd old experienced and solidly skilled.



I'm sort of with the Roy/Floyd crowd I suppose......but the match up at MW does intrigue me.

It would have not be a fair fight for the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Super Roy was too fast and powerful, with dazzling reflexes. No way Pretty Boy Floyd beats the great Roy Jones, Jr at jr middleweight or middleweight.

Did you pay attention to my hypothetical? It's Roy at his greenest and most vulnerable, and Floyd at his peak. That's the only time the weight works out in their careers. So you still hold to your opinion?

BoxBuzz wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I believe they both fought in the MW division......Floyd was above 150 for Cotto and DLH....Roy was under 155 for his first 10 fights.

So how does MW Floyd do VS MW Roy?


Roy ....young fast talented Floyd old experienced and solidly skilled.



I'm sort of with the Roy/Floyd crowd I suppose......but the match up at MW does intrigue me.

It would have not be a fair fight for the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Super Roy was too fast and powerful, with dazzling reflexes. No way Pretty Boy Floyd beats the great Roy Jones, Jr at jr middleweight or middleweight.

Did you pay attention to my hypothetical? It's Roy at his greenest and most vulnerable, and Floyd at his peak. That's the only time the weight works out in their careers. So you still hold to your opinion?

Even Super Roy at his greenest stage would have been TOO FAST for Pretty Boy Floyd at those weight class. Boxing is about weight and speed. Sport in general, most sports, are about speed. Pretty Boy Floyd didn't had that speed at those weight classes.

Even in the 1988 Olympics, when I saw Super Roy's speed it was unbelievable. One time, the great Sugar Ray Leonard sparred with him and Sugar Ray said he was very impressed with the 19 year old. His speed was unbelievable.

Roy's wins over Hopkins, Tarver, and Hill are also impressive. Moreover, the Griffin "loss" was by DQ in a fight he was winning. In his prime nobody got the better of Jones.

I have to give Roy on their best night purely on his power. Floyd easily had the greater career. Not even arguable.

Also, I don't understand this griping about Floyd's competition. There are plenty of guys he failed to fight or to fight when people wanted but that's true of many other fighters as well. If it was unique to him that would be a different issue but it's been a problem since boxing started.