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Lemiux is simply just a basic boxer puncher who tries to walk you down as fast is that possible. Something like Mike Tyson's style.

Canelo is different... He thinks before he trhows something (unlike Lemiux) , he counters very well and that could be the KEY how to beat Golovkin.

Lemiux = Mike Tyson and Canelo reminds me Evander Holyfield.

Canelo has so much tools in his arsenal - good bodyshots , is faster than Golovkin , trhows much better combinations from different angles


If there is somebody to upset Golovkin than his name is SAUL ALVAREZ!!!!!!


WAR CANELO

Agree

Canelo looks too heavy for this fight, I fear he will gas out and get stopped late from the relentless pressure of GGG

Interesting fight, Canelo is more versatile, but can he withstand the pressure from GGG 12 rounds?

We'll see

Who ever said he was?

Can Lemieux be considered a Boxer-puncher? For me, he's a brawler/puncher/pressure fighter.

Lemieux is no mike tyson

GGG is no Carlos Baldomir

Canelo is no Alfredo Angulo

And Oscar De La Hoya is no Tex Rickard...there...that's settled.

lefty wrote:Can Lemieux be considered a Boxer-puncher? For me, he's a brawler/puncher/pressure fighter.

Slightly better middleweight Gatti

That may even be kind

Counter-puncher wrote:

lefty wrote:Can Lemieux be considered a Boxer-puncher? For me, he's a brawler/puncher/pressure fighter.

Slightly better middleweight Gatti

He still hasn't proven that to me. Gatti's best wins top Lemieux's best wins up to this point.

Canelo is no Mike Tyson... Tyson was stopped by Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis -- who were all older, taller, rangier, better jabbing, quicker thinking, just as strong or stronger, and basically a lot smarter than the bully boy.

Canelo is no Evander Holyfield... Holyfield got beaten by Bowe, Lewis, Moorer, Byrd, Toney, etc -- even though he cheated and took steroids -- concealing his indentity by masquerading as Evan Fields. LOL How imaginative is that???

Canelo is no David Lemieux... Lemieux has no jab and no real game. He has a solid chin and a massive punch. He beat down Hassan N’Dam and wrecked Curtis Stevens. He’s not as smart as Canelo and doesn’t have the skills to compete with him. He would lose the D if they fought. They say Cotto fought better than Canelo against Mayweather. Cotto jabbed Floyd up. He bloodied his nose real good so it looked more impressive than it was. Cotto lost a UD and Canelo only lost an MD. Plus Canelo was weight drained for Floyd and looked like Oscar DLH fighting Pacquiao. When Canelo fought Cotto he beat him worse than Floyd did.

Canelo was 22 when he signed for Floyd. Now he’s 27. He fought Floyd, Lara, and Cotto. Golovkin only fought Daniel Jacobs on that level. Canelo has seen real good jabs before. He’s seen great right counters before. He’s see real good lead hooks and body shots. He’s absorbed a lot of knowledge and age wise he’s at his peak. He’s ready for his peak effort. Golovkin gave his peak effort in the Gregor Proksa fight when he was 30. He destroyed that guy.

Golovkin has been the best Middleweight so far. Canelo may be better for this particular fight. I’m not putting money on the fight because of Canelo’s sway with the judges. The Boxing Establishment is firmly behind Canelo and he’s as fit and ready as he can possibly be.

Golden Boy is a very influential organization and obviously they want Canelo to win.. TMT is a very influential organization and obviously THEY want Canelo to win.. The WBC is a very influential organization and obviously they want Canelo to win.. VADA is a very influential organization that works in cahoots with the WBC. Obviously THEY want Canelo to win... The NSAC only wants one winner and that is Canelo.

I remember when Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali lent their names and bodies to the All Time Computer fight. A computer was supposed to determine the winner based on all available data. The boxers faked 5 different endings because they didn’t know what the computer would come up with. Somebody asked me who would win. I said “Who do the old white men collecting all this data for the computer want to win? If the computer spit out Ali as the winner they would think they messed up. They’ll reorganize the date input until it produces the result they want.” It’s a like Kovalev-Ward. The business forces are firmly arrayed against the interests of Golovkin ... and those forces generally get their way by hook or by crook.

There will be a thread "Canelo is NO BETTER THAN Lemieux" after GGG stops him.

gilgamesh wrote:He still hasn't proven that to me. Gatti's best wins top Lemieux's best wins up to this point.

You've got to be kidding me. Gatti was a punching bag. I know he won World Titles but against who??? At what point in their career? When he fought Oscar or Floyd he did nothing but absorb punches non-stop. Angel Manfredy and Ivan Robinson pretty much hit him non-stop. Floyd called him a "club fighter" which was correct. Gatti was a spectacular swinger who got hit and decked a lot and made for exciting fights if you're a brawling fan. He was a crowd pleaser if you like. Lemieux moved beyond the point where he's strictly a swinger. Not well beyond it, but his inching his way up where Gatti never changed.

Counter-puncher wrote:

lefty wrote:Can Lemieux be considered a Boxer-puncher? For me, he's a brawler/puncher/pressure fighter.

Slightly better middleweight Gatti

Yeah can see that comparison.

Kalan wrote:Canelo is no Mike Tyson... Tyson was stopped by Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis -- who were all older, taller, rangier, better jabbing, quicker thinking, just as strong or stronger, and basically a lot smarter than the bully boy.

Canelo is no Evander Holyfield... Holyfield got beaten by Bowe, Lewis, Moorer, Byrd, Toney, etc -- even though he cheated and took steroids -- concealing his indentity by masquerading as Evan Fields. LOL How imaginative is that???

Canelo is no David Lemieux... Lemieux has no jab and no real game. He has a solid chin and a massive punch. He beat down Hassan N’Dam and wrecked Curtis Stevens. He’s not as smart as Canelo and doesn’t have the skills to compete with him. He would lose the D if they fought. They say Cotto fought better than Canelo against Mayweather. Cotto jabbed Floyd up. He bloodied his nose real good so it looked more impressive than it was. Cotto lost a UD and Canelo only lost an MD. Plus Canelo was weight drained for Floyd and looked like Oscar DLH fighting Pacquiao. When Canelo fought Cotto he beat him worse than Floyd did.

Canelo was 22 when he signed for Floyd. Now he’s 27. He fought Floyd, Lara, and Cotto. Golovkin only fought Daniel Jacobs on that level. Canelo has seen real good jabs before. He’s seen great right counters before. He’s see real good lead hooks and body shots. He’s absorbed a lot of knowledge and age wise he’s at his peak. He’s ready for his peak effort. Golovkin gave his peak effort in the Gregor Proksa fight when he was 30. He destroyed that guy.

Golovkin has been the best Middleweight so far. Canelo may be better for this particular fight. I’m not putting money on the fight because of Canelo’s sway with the judges. The Boxing Establishment is firmly behind Canelo and he’s as fit and ready as he can possibly be.

Golden Boy is a very influential organization and obviously they want Canelo to win.. TMT is a very influential organization and obviously THEY want Canelo to win.. The WBC is a very influential organization and obviously they want Canelo to win.. VADA is a very influential organization that works in cahoots with the WBC. Obviously THEY want Canelo to win... The NSAC only wants one winner and that is Canelo.

I remember when Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali lent their names and bodies to the All Time Computer fight. A computer was supposed to determine the winner based on all available data. The boxers faked 5 different endings because they didn’t know what the computer would come up with. Somebody asked me who would win. I said “Who do the old white men collecting all this data for the computer want to win? If the computer spit out Ali as the winner they would think they messed up. They’ll reorganize the date input until it produces the result they want.” It’s a like Kovalev-Ward. The business forces are firmly arrayed against the interests of Golovkin ... and those forces generally get their way by hook or by crook.

Canelo is no mike tyson, he hasn't captured boxing by fighting as exciting and being the youngest unified champion in his division ever. A man who wasn't only known to boxing fans, not just sports fans, but the average joe knew mike. A man who was so fearsome he had opponents beaten before fighting

Canelo is no evander Holyfield. He's isn't considered to be the greatest ever at a division he's fought in. He hasn't played a part in a divisional trilogy that is in the argument for the greatest ever trilogy at that weight. He hasn't fought a career giving away physical advantages for basically every fight, and displayed guts and courage to make up for it. Canelo is no mike tyson.

Canelo is no Lemieux, ok that bit of your post isn't shite

When cotto signed to face Floyd he had already been beat on by cheating Margarito, a heavy beating, losing his 0 and losing a shade after that cheating beat down. Canelo was undefeated on the way up when he fought Floyd, and despite the BS judge meaning Canelo got an MD, cotto losing a UD was much better than anything Canelo could muster up.

The rest of you post is ok

Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He still hasn't proven that to me. Gatti's best wins top Lemieux's best wins up to this point.

You've got to be kidding me. Gatti was a punching bag. I know he won World Titles but against who??? At what point in their career? When he fought Oscar or Floyd he did nothing but absorb punches non-stop. Angel Manfredy and Ivan Robinson pretty much hit him non-stop. Floyd called him a "club fighter" which was correct. Gatti was a spectacular swinger who got hit and decked a lot and made for exciting fights if you're a brawling fan. He was a crowd pleaser if you like. Lemieux moved beyond the point where he's strictly a swinger. Not well beyond it, but his inching his way up where Gatti never changed.

Gatti all day over Lemieux. Your post is laughable

Sure oscar and Floyd battered gatti

Golovkin, whose all time greatness isn't as high as oscar or Floyd, battered Lemieux

When both fighters faced an elite they got battered

Gatti has shown much more than Lemieux.

Go give your head a wobble, think about what you've said, come back with sensible posts

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He still hasn't proven that to me. Gatti's best wins top Lemieux's best wins up to this point.

Gatti all day over Lemieux. You post is laughable

You post is laughable???

You're certainly full of bull and biased as Hell... Oscar had 6 losses and was done by the time he was Golovkin's age... Oscar had a forward head and got hit straight away in the puss by any good boxers... GGG hasn't been afforded the same opportunities because he's not an American, and neither has Lemieux... but Lemieux is a better fighter than punch takers like Gatti were... I think he'll end his career less damaged than Gatti to say the least.

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Gatti all day over Lemieux. You post is laughable

You post is laughable???

You're certainly full of bull and biased as Hell... Oscar had 6 losses and was done by the time he was Golovkin's age... Oscar had a forward head and got hit straight away in the puss by any good boxers... GGG hasn't been afforded the same opportunities because he's not an American, and neither has Lemieux... but Lemieux is a better fighter than punch takers like Gatti were... I think he'll end his career less damaged than Gatti to say the least.

You're always a slave to numbers kalan. Oscar at golovkins age means absolutely nothing. Fighters have their own peak and it'll vary from fighter to fighter what age that'll be.

I don't even rate gatti that highly, but Lemieux is so distinctly average I'd still favour gatti, in what is one of the most pointless debates I've had

Ossyrules wrote: You're always a slave to numbers kalan. Oscar at golovkins age means absolutely nothing. Fighters have their own peak and it'll vary from fighter to fighter what age that'll be. I don't even rate gatti that highly, but Lemieux is so distinctly average I'd still favour gatti, in what is one of the most pointless debates I've had

I'm no slave to numbers but stats back up facts... Such as Oscar had a forward head and was easy too hit.. He was not the boxer or puncher Daniel Jacobs is for example because a really old Hopkins made him quit... That's the last KO Hopkins ever scored and of course Lightweight Pacquiao jumped 2 divisions to fight an Oscar who wasn't ready to rumble -- so he got punched up like crazy... What's pointless is saying a punchable guy like Gatti was better than a still peaking Lemieux or calling somebody who won a World Middleweight Title and is 38-3 with a KO ratio of 80% "distinctly average" ... Obviously he's not.

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote: You're always a slave to numbers kalan. Oscar at golovkins age means absolutely nothing. Fighters have their own peak and it'll vary from fighter to fighter what age that'll be. I don't even rate gatti that highly, but Lemieux is so distinctly average I'd still favour gatti, in what is one of the most pointless debates I've had

I'm no slave to numbers but stats back up facts... Such as Oscar had a forward head and was easy too hit.. He was not the boxer or puncher Daniel Jacobs is for example because a really old Hopkins made him quit... That's the last KO Hopkins ever scored and of course Lightweight Pacquiao jumped 2 divisions to fight an Oscar who wasn't ready to rumble -- so he got punched up like crazy... What's pointless is saying a punchable guy like Gatti was better than a still peaking Lemieux or calling somebody who won a World Middleweight Title and is 38-3 with a KO ratio of 80% "distinctly average" ... Obviously he's not.

You comment like you get your knowledge from a database and don't watch fights.

You provide no counter to my age remark.

Hopkins stopped oscar, oscar was never a middleweight, but sure he got done by Hopkins.

Oscar got done by Pacquaio. He was completely finished and weight drained, but what you say is true, Pacquaio battered him.

If you put some context on reality, it's not as black and white as reading a result off boxrec and explaining what happened.

Lemieux is massively average, in the context of world title middleweights. I don't care about his ko percent. He had a portion of the belt and he got destroyed when he stepped up to fight an elite fighter

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote: You're always a slave to numbers kalan. Oscar at golovkins age means absolutely nothing. Fighters have their own peak and it'll vary from fighter to fighter what age that'll be. I don't even rate gatti that highly, but Lemieux is so distinctly average I'd still favour gatti, in what is one of the most pointless debates I've had

I'm no slave to numbers but stats back up facts... Such as Oscar had a forward head and was easy too hit.. He was not the boxer or puncher Daniel Jacobs is for example because a really old Hopkins made him quit... That's the last KO Hopkins ever scored and of course Lightweight Pacquiao jumped 2 divisions to fight an Oscar who wasn't ready to rumble -- so he got punched up like crazy... What's pointless is saying a punchable guy like Gatti was better than a still peaking Lemieux or calling somebody who won a World Middleweight Title and is 38-3 with a KO ratio of 80% "distinctly average" ... Obviously he's not.

You comment like you get your knowledge from a database and don't watch fights.

You provide no counter to my age remark.

Hopkins stopped oscar, oscar was never a middleweight, but sure he got done by Hopkins.

Oscar got done by Pacquaio. He was completely finished and weight drained, but what you say is true, Pacquaio battered him.

If you put some context on reality, it's not as black and white as reading a result off boxrec and explaining what happened.

Lemieux is massively average, in the context of world title middleweights. I don't care about his ko percent. He had a portion of the belt and he got destroyed when he stepped up to fight an elite fighter

Thank you well said. Kalan, we know you don't watch the fights. You can't afford the ppv. We know that you go to the public library that has free wifi/internet, read boxing articles, pre and post fight articles and then regurgitate them onto boxrec adding your stamp of exaggeration and bias.

Do the library users give you funny looks and avoid you by at least 2 table lengths? Do you have your own chair in the library, one with a stain, is the chairs name lamb? What became of your lamb Kalan? You still wake up sometimes, don't you. You wake up in the dark and hear the screaming of the lambs.

Ossyrules wrote:You provide no counter to my age remark

We all age... But boxers with greater knowledge and skill age better... Their technical skills carry them when their physicality is compromised... So Oscar was done at 34 and Floyd carried on for a few more years... As usual he made adjustments.

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:Canelo is no Mike Tyson... Tyson was stopped by Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis -- who were all older, taller, rangier, better jabbing, quicker thinking, just as strong or stronger, and basically a lot smarter than the bully boy.

Canelo is no Evander Holyfield... Holyfield got beaten by Bowe, Lewis, Moorer, Byrd, Toney, etc -- even though he cheated and took steroids -- concealing his indentity by masquerading as Evan Fields. LOL How imaginative is that???

Canelo is no David Lemieux... Lemieux has no jab and no real game. He has a solid chin and a massive punch. He beat down Hassan N’Dam and wrecked Curtis Stevens. He’s not as smart as Canelo and doesn’t have the skills to compete with him. He would lose the D if they fought. They say Cotto fought better than Canelo against Mayweather. Cotto jabbed Floyd up. He bloodied his nose real good so it looked more impressive than it was. Cotto lost a UD and Canelo only lost an MD. Plus Canelo was weight drained for Floyd and looked like Oscar DLH fighting Pacquiao. When Canelo fought Cotto he beat him worse than Floyd did.

Canelo was 22 when he signed for Floyd. Now he’s 27. He fought Floyd, Lara, and Cotto. Golovkin only fought Daniel Jacobs on that level. Canelo has seen real good jabs before. He’s seen great right counters before. He’s see real good lead hooks and body shots. He’s absorbed a lot of knowledge and age wise he’s at his peak. He’s ready for his peak effort. Golovkin gave his peak effort in the Gregor Proksa fight when he was 30. He destroyed that guy.

Golovkin has been the best Middleweight so far. Canelo may be better for this particular fight. I’m not putting money on the fight because of Canelo’s sway with the judges. The Boxing Establishment is firmly behind Canelo and he’s as fit and ready as he can possibly be.

Golden Boy is a very influential organization and obviously they want Canelo to win.. TMT is a very influential organization and obviously THEY want Canelo to win.. The WBC is a very influential organization and obviously they want Canelo to win.. VADA is a very influential organization that works in cahoots with the WBC. Obviously THEY want Canelo to win... The NSAC only wants one winner and that is Canelo.

I remember when Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali lent their names and bodies to the All Time Computer fight. A computer was supposed to determine the winner based on all available data. The boxers faked 5 different endings because they didn’t know what the computer would come up with. Somebody asked me who would win. I said “Who do the old white men collecting all this data for the computer want to win? If the computer spit out Ali as the winner they would think they messed up. They’ll reorganize the date input until it produces the result they want.” It’s a like Kovalev-Ward. The business forces are firmly arrayed against the interests of Golovkin ... and those forces generally get their way by hook or by crook.

Canelo is no mike tyson, he hasn't captured boxing by fighting as exciting and being the youngest unified champion in his division ever. A man who wasn't only known to boxing fans, not just sports fans, but the average joe knew mike. A man who was so fearsome he had opponents beaten before fighting

Canelo is no evander Holyfield. He's isn't considered to be the greatest ever at a division he's fought in. He hasn't played a part in a divisional trilogy that is in the argument for the greatest ever trilogy at that weight. He hasn't fought a career giving away physical advantages for basically every fight, and displayed guts and courage to make up for it. Canelo is no mike tyson.

Canelo is no Lemieux, ok that bit of your post isn't shite

When cotto signed to face Floyd he had already been beat on by cheating Margarito, a heavy beating, losing his 0 and losing a shade after that cheating beat down. Canelo was undefeated on the way up when he fought Floyd, and despite the BS judge meaning Canelo got an MD, cotto losing a UD was much better than anything Canelo could muster up.

The rest of you post is ok

the rest of his post is OK after the 5,000 word essay on how it wasn't OK
I enjoyed both of your opinions
I like in depth breakdowns, and appreciate the effort