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Worst opponents
Posted: 09 Sep 2017, 14:08
by tagjohnson
Not sure if we have done this before, but who in your opinion had career wise the worst collection of opponents? Someone like Mike Tyson cannon fodder Sammy Scaff who never beat an opponent with a winning record or seminal female boxer Cathy "Cat" Davis whose 12 fight career included six fighters making their debut and four winless fighters.
Re: Worst opponents
Posted: 09 Sep 2017, 14:14
by gilgamesh
You could find worse (hell you've already named worse), but one that comes to mind of a guy that has an impressive record (on paper), but then when you look deeper you see it's not all that impressive.
Ricardo Moreno
60-12-1 (59 KO's)
Damn good record, and suggests he's a big puncher right?
Well a great deal of those 59 KO's are built on guys making their debut or with losing records...and the guys with winning records often were just a few wins over the line of being a .500 fighter
A great deal of the time when he fought a guy with a winning record, that's where he picked up one of his 12 losses.
Re: Worst opponents
Posted: 09 Sep 2017, 16:39
by HomicideHenry
Faruq Saleem... LaMar Clark...
Re: Worst opponents
Posted: 09 Sep 2017, 16:44
by Ossyrules
I've always been a Haye fan... but his 2 guys for his comeback fights
De mori and the cobra, can't spell his name, had like combine record of 60+ wins, mainly by ko, did they have a single defeat between them!?
They were shite
Re: Worst opponents
Posted: 09 Sep 2017, 21:14
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
Anyone know more about Buck Smith? Like, why he was able to get so, so many fights almost all against dreadful opposition (he did manage to somehow beat Kirkland Laing to be fair)? And why all his last fights were no contests or defeats? 181-20-2 is some going though, especially for a guy whose last fight was in 2009.
If losses count as well as victories maybe he's inadmissable as he did fight JCC, Mark Breland, Buddy McGirt and a young Antonio Margarito. Otherwise you'll struggle to find someone with so much quantity in his win column and so little quality.
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/6117
Re: Worst opponents
Posted: 09 Sep 2017, 23:59
by gilgamesh
Only Buck Smith fight I saw was the fight with Chavez.
Chavez was able to get a hold of a couple of guys like that. Guys with good records built on a house of cards. Marty Jakubowski was another one. Some would argue that Chavez himself has a carefully built record, but he does have some tremendous wins at the top level as well of course. He's no Buck Smith or Jakubowski. He stopped guys like that.
Re: Worst opponents
Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 00:03
by Covfefe
I always watch the run through of Tyson knockouts whenever it's on tv and I do wonder where they sent off for some of those guys. Though the guy was a beast, most guys were beat before the set foot in the ring, but some look ridiculous. There's one, and I don't know who, and the knockdown is such a fake, but I can't fault him, I'd have jumped out of the ring and ran off.
Re: Worst opponents
Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 01:50
by Kalan
You SHOULD fight terrible opponents if you're a terrible boxer.. Because no matter how bad the fighters, if they're evenly matched and both aggressive it's still entertaining -- although more comedy than electrifying. But terrible fighters have to fight somebody, so match them appropriately.. Fans are entitled to watch actual contests rather than one brutal pummeling after another to make a fighter seem invincible.
Championship caliber fighters shouldn't be padding their records with gawd awful opponents making their pro debut, and mug one terrible opponent after another... So let’s make this about World Champions who fought horrible opponents.
The worst may have been Jimmy Wilde... He fought guys making their pro debut or having 1 or 2 wins for most of his first 97 fights.
Possibly the 2nd worst was Pascual Perez.. He fought mainly terrible opponents and guys making their pro debut.. Funny thing is, Perez also fought Pone Kingpetch, Bernardo Caraballo, and Efren Torres.. He lost all those but it was kind of like Lamar Clark fighting Pete Rademacher and Cassius Clay. Clark’s losses were just as mismatched and non-competitive as his wins ... and that’s the only kind of fight he engaged in.