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Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 06:44
by apollo creed
In the Glowacki fight he looked good indeed, but I think his lack of power and that he sometimes gets hit are his main minuses. Probably he's the type of fighter that he performes better if he knows his opponent is a dangerous/good one.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 13:46
by apollo creed
Briedis, Dorticos and Gassiev are some tough, tough guys to beat.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 14:00
by Ruthless-RKO
Usyk is a great technician.. He is kind of like a Lomachenko of Cruiserweight. Minus the matrix moves.

He can outbox anyone. Give him 2 or 3 rounds to adjust, and then he goes does his thing.

He is rightly so, the favourite. There are some tough names, Briedis next. I think it will go the distance, but Usyk can win around 116-112

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 14:02
by SaadOffTheDeck
I think he's the favourite, but he definitely has work to do. Any of those guys can beat him.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 14:03
by Oiky
Usyk is a very slick and talented boxer

Gassiev will be a tough bout, brutal puncher

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 14:08
by crusader
For me he's a the clear favourite, but there are strong fighters in the tournament and him winning certainly isn't a sure thing; it's not a Crawford 140 like disparity. I'd say he has average power, but his style isn't really built around banging, and he seems to hit hard enough to get his opponents' respect and push them back. He does get hit (often early, as he can be a slow starter), but overall his defense is actually pretty solid IMO, and he's not a super defensively-focused technician anyway. One of his strengths, is that, despite being a skillful boxer, he can go forward, turn up the workrate, and grind down opponents over the rounds. Look at how strong he's been late on against Glowacki, Huck, Mchunu, and Hunter.....he may well have the best conditioning at cruiser.

To me he's looked sloppiest when he tries to force his offensive bursts, rather than using his jab and boxing his way into them. I thought he looked pretty solid last night and it may well be that he does better against better opposition; there were a few 'eh' fights for him prior to the title, and I'd rate his title fight performances in about the same order that I'd rate the strength of his opposition in them.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 14:19
by Tanzio
I like the way that he responds after being hit. Reminds me of FMJ in that way, although Usyk gets hit flush a lot more and he is far more comprehensively offensive.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 14:30
by boxing_rocks
Ruthless-RKO wrote:He is kind of like a Lomachenko of Cruiserweight. Minus the matrix moves.
No, he is not.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:30
by apollo creed
crusader wrote:For me he's a the clear favourite, but there are strong fighters in the tournament and him winning certainly isn't a sure thing; it's not a Crawford 140 like disparity. I'd say he has average power, but his style isn't really built around banging, and he seems to hit hard enough to get his opponents' respect and push them back. He does get hit (often early, as he can be a slow starter), but overall his defense is actually pretty solid IMO, and he's not a super defensively-focused technician anyway. One of his strengths, is that, despite being a skillful boxer, he can go forward, turn up the workrate, and grind down opponents over the rounds. Look at how strong he's been late on against Glowacki, Huck, Mchunu, and Hunter.....he may well have the best conditioning at cruiser.

To me he's looked sloppiest when he tries to force his offensive bursts, rather than using his jab and boxing his way into them. I thought he looked pretty solid last night and it may well be that he does better against better opposition; there were a few 'eh' fights for him prior to the title, and I'd rate his title fight performances in about the same order that I'd rate the strength of his opposition in them.
Yeah, he's sloppy , slow starter and he looks like he pushes his power punches.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:31
by apollo creed
Ruthless-RKO wrote:Usyk is a great technician.. He is kind of like a Lomachenko of Cruiserweight. Minus the matrix moves.

He can outbox anyone. Give him 2 or 3 rounds to adjust, and then he goes does his thing.

He is rightly so, the favourite. There are some tough names, Briedis next. I think it will go the distance, but Usyk can win around 116-112
No. Loma is unique.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:32
by crusader
I don't think he was sloppy against Glowacki or Huck. I also think part of the sloppy look is him becoming wild when his opponent is clearly in trouble and he's looking to finish. That's not the same as being a sloppy fighter in general...

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:33
by apollo creed
Oiky wrote:Usyk is a very slick and talented boxer

Gassiev will be a tough bout, brutal puncher
Gassiev is a savvy animal at his age.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:35
by crusader
Savvy? More like very powerful and seemingly with a good chin.

I thought he was quite un-savvy against Lebedev and spent far too much time just walking forward without throwing. Lebedev looked there for the taking from the 5th on, but Gassiev never really upped his pace.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:35
by apollo creed
crusader wrote:I don't think he was sloppy against Glowacki or Huck. I also think part of the sloppy look is him becoming wild when his opponent is clearly in trouble and he's looking to finish. That's not the same as being a sloppy fighter in general...
Against Glowacki , he looked skillful but against that guy Hunter, he looked troubled.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:38
by apollo creed
Even Mchunu gave Usyk some trouble.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:43
by crusader
Mchunu lost pretty much every round, got dropped 3 times, and got stopped....Durodola had more success against Breidis than Mchunu had against Usyk, Kalenga had far more success against Dorticos than any opponent has had against Huck, Gassiev-Lebedev was super close, and so on.

But I agree that Usyk isn't a lock to win.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:45
by apollo creed
crusader wrote:Savvy? More like very powerful and seemingly with a good chin.

I thought he was quite un-savvy against Lebedev and spent far too much time just walking forward without throwing. Lebedev looked there for the taking from the 5th on, but Gassiev never really upped his pace.
Gassiev did pretty good against that old sovietic tank. Lebedev is a machine. :OhYes:

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:47
by apollo creed
crusader wrote:Mchunu lost pretty much every round, got dropped 3 times, and got stopped....Durodola had more success against Breidis than Mchunu had against Usyk, Kalenga had far more success against Dorticos than any opponent has had against Huck, Gassiev-Lebedev was super close, and so on.

But I agree that Usyk isn't a lock to win.
Lil' Mchunu caught Usyk with some shots. I think a powerful fighter like Briedis or Gassiev would hurt Usyk.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:48
by crusader
Wow! A boxer got caught with some shots!

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:48
by apollo creed
crusader wrote:Wow! A boxer got caught with some shots!
:OhYes: Usyk ain't no CW Loma ! :TU:

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:49
by crusader
Well, if you listen to Tanzio, Loma got really touched up last fight by Marriaga :lol:

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:50
by Deleted_Scenes
I'd say Wlodarczyk is probably the only one of the remaining 7, who I'd be massively surprised to see win the tournament.

Usyk is favourite, but not overwhelmingly so. Breidis, Perez, Gassiev, Dorticos and Kudryashov all have some kind of shot. Shame the same can't be said about the depth of the 168lb tournament.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:52
by crusader
Kud I can't see winning. I think he has a realistic shot of catching and stopping Dorticos, who has been down before and went through hell with Kalenga (thought I still favour Dort to win by KO), but I'd be very surprised if he managed to win 3 straight matches in a field like this.

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:53
by rd350lc
Saw him for the first time last night and after all the big build I wasn't totally impressed and lack of genuine KO power could be his downfall .

Great engine tho' by the looks of things .

Re: Not totally sold on Usyk! Don't know if he's gonna win the WBSS tournament.

Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 16:02
by Andrew
crusader wrote:Savvy? More like very powerful and seemingly with a good chin.

I thought he was quite un-savvy against Lebedev and spent far too much time just walking forward without throwing. Lebedev looked there for the taking from the 5th on, but Gassiev never really upped his pace.
That was a close fight the knockdown won it for Gassiev for me.

Lebedev of two years ago probably would have won that.