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Put a number on Canelo's chin.
1 to 10
1 Poor
10 Excellent


I'd have him about a 7.

7.5

What about his ability to take it to the body ?

Interesting that you mention that. While I haven't gone back through all of his fights, I don't remember him ever being specifically hurt to the body. That said, he has never faced anyone on 3Gs level as a head and / or body puncher, combined with a never been cracked chin.

I rate him probably 8.5 to the body, which may be his only legit advantage outside of being the A side.

I think the dude is hella tough. He weathered prime Trout pretty well, and Trout beat the hell out of Cotto. He took everything Lara had, and Lara busted up Trout pretty badly. Alvarez is at least a 9 on toughness.

Evander wrote:What about his ability to take it to the body ?

At least you didn't say bum.
6.5 on the chin.
Who is the hardest puncher he has been in with. Trout? Certainly no one like Lemieux or Jacobs...

KiwiRider wrote:

Evander wrote:What about his ability to take it to the body ?

At least you didn't say bum.
6.5 on the chin.
Who is the hardest puncher he has been in with. Trout? Certainly no one like Lemieux or Jacobs...

Kirkland can pound.

8.5 seems high

I've been going back and forth on this one for ages.

Style wise I'd imagine GGG to tighten up and block all avenues that cross weaker points and burrow himself in there with a march forward attitude, depending on the pace it's likely Canelo would be more stand offish early and use his jab.
That's not to say it wouldn't go off early it's possible but I think they will want to take a look at one another then try and execute game plan 1 and take it from there, it's a 12 round fight.

To add on to my above post, both Lara/Trout landed less than 55 power punches for the fight. Spreading that out over 12 rounds, with guys who aren't top power guys, it's hard to judge Canelo's chin or toughness off that, IMO.

It appears my point above never posted.....F it....

55 divided by 12 is 4.58 Power Punches a round.
Depending on the circumstances that could be seen as ok.

Canelo hasn't been in with a power puncher in fair circumstances.
They were either washed up (Cintron, Mosley, Cotto),
or in a weird career situation (Angulo, Kirkland).

So his chin is an A (against B- power).
Canelo has never seen power close to Jacobs, Lemiux or Stevens.

It makes me wonder if he can take A power for 12 rounds.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Canelo hasn't been in with a power puncher in fair circumstances.
They were either washed up (Cintron, Mosley, Cotto),
or in a weird career situation (Angulo, Kirkland).

Just me maybe ... you don't go through Cintron, Mosley, Cotto. Angulo and Kirkland and get lucky.
There is a case the career is planned out but you have to acquire more than just a punchers chance so to speak.

Those names look nice, but when you actually examine where they were at it's not so impressive

And of course Canelo didnt mearly have a puncher's chance against them.

He was rocked briefly by Cottos brother, years ago, since then he has looked extremely solid, except against mayweather when Mayweather controlled him with a jab, Canelo couldn't walk through it although that has less to do with his chin if you ask me, but he can be controlled. Amirs shots moved his head but he walked through them, every other fight of recently hes just looked like a unmovable force but it goes back to what the other posters have been saying. Has he fought a puncher his own weight except for Kirkland? Now Kirkland smothered him and his own shots from what I remember by being real close. Golovkin doesnt fight that close. I'm really hopinh that the recent years of cherry picking and weight bullying, post the Cotto fight catch up to Canelo. But its prob a safe bet to say hes got a chin and is no stranger to facing bigger men in the gym, I mean, he even sparred Golovkin years ago....Still hes in with a different beast with Golovkin i feel. As someone else said, coin flip, I still believe.

8 out of 10 because of the size of his massive neck and whats been on display last few years but...its limited like we are all saying.

Evander wrote:55 divided by 12 is 4.58 Power Punches a round.
Depending on the circumstances that could be seen as ok.

Not when either guy is a known puncher. Both Lara and Trout were fighting on the move for the most part. It' not like their power punches, at least most of them, were in the pocket, put everything on it power shots. Lara has a 50% KO ratio in his 28 fights, Trout 52%, so it's hard to measure Canelo's toughness or chin on those two fights.

My post that never went thru explained my thinking somewhat better.

Also of note, Jose Cotto hurt Alvarez. If he can, I'm willing to bet G3 can.

armageto wrote:

Evander wrote:55 divided by 12 is 4.58 Power Punches a round.
Depending on the circumstances that could be seen as ok.

Not when either guy is a known puncher. Both Lara and Trout were fighting on the move for the most part. It' not like their power punches, at least most of them, were in the pocket, put everything on it power shots. Lara has a 50% KO ratio in his 28 fights, Trout 52%, so it's hard to measure Canelo's toughness or chin on those two fights.

My post that never went thru explained my thinking somewhat better.

Also of note, Jose Cotto hurt Alvarez. If he can, I'm willing to bet G3 can.

They're defensive fighters and numbers can be interpreted in many ways.
A straight right backing up with little power can be seen as a power punch especially if lands on the button ... doesn't mean it was a fully fledged backing up punch but could well qualify as a 10 shot.

armageto wrote:Also of note, Jose Cotto hurt Alvarez. If he can, I'm willing to bet G3 can.

Alvarez was 19 during that fight. Also, by your logic, there are a lot of other fighters that should have hurt Alvarez since 2010, who, in fact, did not hurt him. Any conclusions you can draw from Alvarez's fight with Jose Cotto have been nullified by everything that has happened since then.

Trout's not a puncher at all and was flicky jab heavy in that fight...I don't see how Canelo's chin was really tested there. Lara, as mentioned, was fighting a backfoot fight and was also jab heavy. He's more precision than power anyway

Kirkland is a decent hitter, though more of an accumulation guy, and at 154. Canelo took Cotto's shots well, though you're dealing with a smaller guy there. Chavez barely threw a punch...

I'd say Canelo has at least a solid chin, but I don't think he's already proved to be super tough against top fighters who are full-blown middleweights.

Lackeos wrote:

armageto wrote:Also of note, Jose Cotto hurt Alvarez. If he can, I'm willing to bet G3 can.

Alvarez was 19 during that fight. Also, by your logic, there are a lot of other fighters that should have hurt Alvarez since 2010, who, in fact, did not hurt him. Any conclusions you can draw from Alvarez's fight with Jose Cotto have been nullified by everything that has happened since then.

By your logic, Trout and Lara, 50% KO punchers, tested Alvarez's toughness because they busted up Trout (Lara) and Cotto (Trout). Yet both guys fought completely different when they fought Alvarez. Again, neither is a puncher or really considered a pressure fighter.

When is the last time we saw Alvarez get caught with a good punch? Face a true puncher, that wasn't washed out? Alvarez has a history of facing smaller men, who are not punchers.

If Jose Cotto could hurt him with a good, clean shot, G3 can. Point blank. Who cares if he was 19? Does your chin get better with age? No. Sure you can box better, avoid getting hit, defend better, etc. Wlad is a perfect example.

Truth be told, nobody can really say how Alvarez's chin is. We haven't seen him in the with a puncher, equal or bigger size than him, that hit him clean. We will Saturday night. Two light/average punchers, that choose to box off their back foot in Trout and Lara showed us nothing.

I thought Kirkland buzzed him slightly and he can crack despite his ability. I have doubts on his chin, but normally his defense is good enough that he rolls with shots pretty well. If he gets clocked cleaned by GGG, he's going down, but his defense is a little underrated so we'll see if that happens.

I would give him a 9 out of 10. He hasn't been KO'd or even knocked down, and has been in with some punchers. Got wobbled early in his career, but probably 8-10 years ago. I would also rate GGG the same. No reason to be lower until they show it.

Depends on the tempo of the fight, weigh in is tomorrow lets see what they look like.
My guess is Alvarez will put a ton of weight on between the weigh in and round one like he always does.

8, pretty granite in my view.