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Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux might be the most skilled fight of all time.

Now dont come at me with "rigo has a poor pro record", he must be lucky he escaped cuba, otherwise no pro career. Be appreciative!

These 2 combine ~4 gold medals and a skill level rarly seen before. Loma is in his prime, so is rigo.

Oscar/trinidad, pacquiao/mayweather, jones/hopkins, leonard/duran comes to my minde, but loma/rigo truly fits that high level category. I have never seen a match up of boxer with such good footwork, technique, just all around skills & ability. GGG/canelo is a more hyped fight, i get it, but if we talk boxing quality, than this is the most quality fight in a long time.

Can't disagree, however the weight is a big question mark, and post fight could be the big talking point. Feel as though if Loma walks through him he won't get the credit he deserves because of Rigo's age and size.

TheGingerBomber wrote:Can't disagree, however the weight is a big question mark, and post fight could be the big talking point. Feel as though if Loma walks through him he won't get the credit he deserves because of Rigo's age and size.

I will give him credit, other also, except the hater. But who cares about haters.

Also there isnt that much size difference. Rigo has longer reach and they dont have such a huge cap in height, well now lima weighs a bit more, but i think rigo wint have a hard time gearing up..

It's going to be a university doctorate level degree in the sweet science
We have been so spoilt this year, now going into December with an A+ fight.
Wow. 2017 goes down as the best year of boxing in my memory for sure.

Jip wrote:Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux might be the most skilled fight of all time.

Now dont come at me with "rigo has a poor pro record", he must be lucky he escaped cuba, otherwise no pro career. Be appreciative!

These 2 combine ~4 gold medals and a skill level rarly seen before. Loma is in his prime, so is rigo.

Oscar/trinidad, pacquiao/mayweather, jones/hopkins, leonard/duran comes to my minde, but loma/rigo truly fits that high level category. I have never seen a match up of boxer with such good footwork, technique, just all around skills & ability. GGG/canelo is a more hyped fight, i get it, but if we talk boxing quality, than this is the most quality fight in a long time.

I agree with it all ...

BUT Oscar/Trinidad, just talking skill-wise (to me), is below the other 4 fights.
I would put Kovalev/Ward 1, Manny/JMM 1-3, Toney/Jones above Oscar/Trinidad in the skill department.

Another day, another ever from jip. Lol

Every thing that happens in Boxing isn't "The Best" or "Most Amazing" ever Jip. The sport has a LONGGGGGGG and decorated history.

It's a good fight. I kinda doubt it'll feel as if anything truly historically significant has taken place after it's over.

gilgamesh wrote:Every thing that happens in Boxing isn't "The Best" or "Most Amazing" ever Jip. The sport has a LONGGGGGGG and decorated history.

It's a good fight. I kinda doubt it'll feel as if anything truly historically significant has taken place after it's over.

When you are emotion-driven your feelings tend to push logic/rational thinking aside, so it taints your assessment.

Brings to mind the old adage: "looking at the world through rose-tinted glasses"

Somebody needs to get a new prescription.

Jip wrote:Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux might be the most skilled fight of all time.

Now dont come at me with "rigo has a poor pro record", he must be lucky he escaped cuba, otherwise no pro career. Be appreciative!

These 2 combine ~4 gold medals and a skill level rarly seen before. Loma is in his prime, so is rigo.

Oscar/trinidad, pacquiao/mayweather, jones/hopkins, leonard/duran comes to my minde, but loma/rigo truly fits that high level category. I have never seen a match up of boxer with such good footwork, technique, just all around skills & ability. GGG/canelo is a more hyped fight, i get it, but if we talk boxing quality, than this is the most quality fight in a long time.

Jip - love the energy, but no, no. Rigo and Loma are top draw boxers but I can't see Rigo surviving. He's too small. Will be interesting but I expect The Matrix to walk through him.

Keep up the enthusiasm but surely, throughout the history of boxing, there have been many more defining fights.

KiwiRider wrote:It's going to be a university doctorate level degree in the sweet science
We have been so spoilt this year, now going into December with an A+ fight.
Wow. 2017 goes down as the best year of boxing in my memory for sure.

will have to take your word for it, I seem to watch that many fights I struggle to correctly remember when exactly they occurred !

Loki wrote:

Jip wrote:Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux might be the most skilled fight of all time.

Now dont come at me with "rigo has a poor pro record", he must be lucky he escaped cuba, otherwise no pro career. Be appreciative!

These 2 combine ~4 gold medals and a skill level rarly seen before. Loma is in his prime, so is rigo.

Oscar/trinidad, pacquiao/mayweather, jones/hopkins, leonard/duran comes to my minde, but loma/rigo truly fits that high level category. I have never seen a match up of boxer with such good footwork, technique, just all around skills & ability. GGG/canelo is a more hyped fight, i get it, but if we talk boxing quality, than this is the most quality fight in a long time.

Jip - love the energy, but no, no. Rigo and Loma are top draw boxers but I can't see Rigo surviving. He's too small. Will be interesting but I expect The Matrix to walk through him.

Keep up the enthusiasm but surely, throughout the history of boxing, there have been many more defining fights.

Hyped, defining...leave it all out.

I AM PURLY TALKING ABOUT A QUALITY STANDPOINT

When was the last time where boxer with that olympic gold background, overall skill level fought each other?

Floyd and manny were Jörg past prime. At least loma is 100 % prime. Rigo not so sure. But yall dont get it. Yall always talk about textbook fighting, about technique. It aint getmore technicle than this match up. Tell me a match up where both had such footwork, ring iq, speed? Dont bother searching, 1 maybe, bjt you will have a hard time even finding 2.

This is pro boxing.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:This is pro boxing.

Ecactly. Dont act like amateur gold medals dont count. De la hoya, ali, lomachenko, these are the kind of people who get gold medals so dont act like it is easy to get. Now you are going to tell me that there have been gold medalist who werent no outstanding pros, i am going to answer that a lot of pro world champion aint very good either since it is way easier to get 1 out of 4 belts, than 1 gm every 4 years.

It's good to see two top guys fighting, all too rare these days. Unfortunately it would have been ideal a couple of years ago when Rigondeaux was a bit younger and Lomachenko was still at a lighter weight. Lomachenko will be too big and at peak for this to catch fire. Will be an interesting watch though from a skills perspective

Rigondeaux has never lost as a pro, rigo lost rarlyin general if we count his world ckass am background.

Someones 0 got to go and when you consider that rigo rarly lost and loma had like a 300 wins 1 loss am record and lost as a pro to a guy that came overweight at weigh in and as a welterweight fightnight, tho most people thought loma won than you see that we have a match up with 2 guys close to never lose. Absolut elite.

Jip wrote:Rigondeaux has never lost as a pro, rigo lost rarlyin general if we count his world ckass am background.

Someones 0 got to go and when you consider that rigo rarly lost and loma had like a 300 wins 1 loss am record and lost as a pro to a guy that came overweight at weigh in and as a welterweight fightnight, tho most people thought loma won than you see that we have a match up with 2 guys close to never lose. Absolut elite.

Jiplan, I think that you and Kalip need to put your heads together and rethink this.

It is a very high level boxing match between two pros with a combined record of 26-1. I realize that is not a comprehensive barometer, but it is a factor to be considered in comparisons.

For example; Sweet Pea, 32-1(highly controversial loss) v JCC, 87-0. Also, this fight did not involve a fighter leaping up two weight classes in a matter of months. Sweet Pea was as gifted and skilled as any boxer of my lifetime. JCC would have disposed of Lomassiah at his current weight class, imo.

Then there is The Hitman, 35-1 v Benitez, 44-1-1 (both losses to SRL). Which segways into SRL taking both of their 0's.

We can argue all day which of these fights contained the most skill and gifts but in none of these examples was there the weight discrepancy that will be involved with little Rigo jumping two weight classes at his age. Which brings up the fact that the other examples involved both fighters being at their absolute primes in a comfortable weight. Rigo is clearly past prime.

If this fight were happening when Rigo fought Donaire and at Feather, you would have a better argument, but still a losing hand.

Tanzio wrote:

Jip wrote:Rigondeaux has never lost as a pro, rigo lost rarlyin general if we count his world ckass am background.

Someones 0 got to go and when you consider that rigo rarly lost and loma had like a 300 wins 1 loss am record and lost as a pro to a guy that came overweight at weigh in and as a welterweight fightnight, tho most people thought loma won than you see that we have a match up with 2 guys close to never lose. Absolut elite.

Jiplan, I think that you and Kalip need to put your heads together and rethink this.

It is a very high level boxing match between two pros with a combined record of 26-1. I realize that is not a comprehensive barometer, but it is a factor to be considered in comparisons.

For example; Sweet Pea, 32-1(highly controversial loss) v JCC, 87-0. Also, this fight did not involve a fighter leaping up two weight classes in a matter of months. Sweet Pea was as gifted and skilled as any boxer of my lifetime. JCC would have disposed of Lomassiah at his current weight class, imo.

Then there is The Hitman, 35-1 v Benitez, 44-1-1 (both losses to SRL). Which segways into SRL taking both of their 0's.

We can argue all day which of these fights contained the most skill and gifts but in none of these examples was there the weight discrepancy that will be involved with little Rigo jumping two weight classes at his age. Which brings up the fact that the other examples involved both fighters being at their absolute primes in a comfortable weight. Rigo is clearly past prime.

If this fight were happening when Rigo fought Donaire and at Feather, you would have a better argument, but still a losing hand.

Good examples. But benitez or chavez never had the technique or footworkg & speed of loma & rigo. Pernell yes.

How many times do i have to tell this. Let the record aside and just look at the quality of skills.

Record is overrated. When jones faced hopkins both didnt have much pro fights but just in terms of skills/physical ability, just overall quality it was better than pernell/chavez.

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:This is pro boxing.

Ecactly. Dont act like amateur gold medals dont count. De la hoya, ali, lomachenko, these are the kind of people who get gold medals so dont act like it is easy to get. Now you are going to tell me that there have been gold medalist who werent no outstanding pros, i am going to answer that a lot of pro world champion aint very good either since it is way easier to get 1 out of 4 belts, than 1 gm every 4 years.

This is pro boxing.

Jip wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Jip wrote:Rigondeaux has never lost as a pro, rigo lost rarlyin general if we count his world ckass am background.

Someones 0 got to go and when you consider that rigo rarly lost and loma had like a 300 wins 1 loss am record and lost as a pro to a guy that came overweight at weigh in and as a welterweight fightnight, tho most people thought loma won than you see that we have a match up with 2 guys close to never lose. Absolut elite.

Jiplan, I think that you and Kalip need to put your heads together and rethink this.

It is a very high level boxing match between two pros with a combined record of 26-1. I realize that is not a comprehensive barometer, but it is a factor to be considered in comparisons.

For example; Sweet Pea, 32-1(highly controversial loss) v JCC, 87-0. Also, this fight did not involve a fighter leaping up two weight classes in a matter of months. Sweet Pea was as gifted and skilled as any boxer of my lifetime. JCC would have disposed of Lomassiah at his current weight class, imo.

Then there is The Hitman, 35-1 v Benitez, 44-1-1 (both losses to SRL). Which segways into SRL taking both of their 0's.

We can argue all day which of these fights contained the most skill and gifts but in none of these examples was there the weight discrepancy that will be involved with little Rigo jumping two weight classes at his age. Which brings up the fact that the other examples involved both fighters being at their absolute primes in a comfortable weight. Rigo is clearly past prime.

If this fight were happening when Rigo fought Donaire and at Feather, you would have a better argument, but still a losing hand.

Good examples. But benitez or chavez never had the technique or footworkg & speed of loma & rigo. Pernell yes.

How many times do i have to tell this. Let the record aside and just look at the quality of skills.

Record is overrated. When jones faced hopkins both didnt have much pro fights but just in terms of skills/physical ability, just overall quality it was better than pernell/chavez.

You should try watching benitez fight sometime. Lmao, when he was 17 he was going 15 with an atg.

Loma and Rigo still have a ways to go to equal the achievements of a Wilfred Benitez.

Jip wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Jip wrote:Rigondeaux has never lost as a pro, rigo lost rarlyin general if we count his world ckass am background.

Someones 0 got to go and when you consider that rigo rarly lost and loma had like a 300 wins 1 loss am record and lost as a pro to a guy that came overweight at weigh in and as a welterweight fightnight, tho most people thought loma won than you see that we have a match up with 2 guys close to never lose. Absolut elite.

Jiplan, I think that you and Kalip need to put your heads together and rethink this.

It is a very high level boxing match between two pros with a combined record of 26-1. I realize that is not a comprehensive barometer, but it is a factor to be considered in comparisons.

For example; Sweet Pea, 32-1(highly controversial loss) v JCC, 87-0. Also, this fight did not involve a fighter leaping up two weight classes in a matter of months. Sweet Pea was as gifted and skilled as any boxer of my lifetime. JCC would have disposed of Lomassiah at his current weight class, imo.

Then there is The Hitman, 35-1 v Benitez, 44-1-1 (both losses to SRL). Which segways into SRL taking both of their 0's.

We can argue all day which of these fights contained the most skill and gifts but in none of these examples was there the weight discrepancy that will be involved with little Rigo jumping two weight classes at his age. Which brings up the fact that the other examples involved both fighters being at their absolute primes in a comfortable weight. Rigo is clearly past prime.

If this fight were happening when Rigo fought Donaire and at Feather, you would have a better argument, but still a losing hand.

Good examples. But benitez or chavez never had the technique or footworkg & speed of loma & rigo. Pernell yes.

How many times do i have to tell this. Let the record aside and just look at the quality of skills.

Record is overrated. When jones faced hopkins both didnt have much pro fights but just in terms of skills/physical ability, just overall quality it was better than pernell/chavez.

Stop it, Jiplan. Read your post that I quoted and tell us who is over rating record.

As far as Jip is aware, no boxing occurred prior to 1990.

Lackeos wrote:As far as Jip is aware, no boxing occurred prior to 1990.

Sure it did. Robinson is #2, ali ~#9 and leonard #3 on my atg top 10 ever, sure as hell give i everybody credit. You guys just need to understand that i go more by ability than by record. If you guys only focused on record than obvious that you are not very interrested in that fight. But someone has to be narrow minded to not see what kind of level of quality is facing each other!

No disrespect to benitez or other but those 2 are arguably the 2 best amateur ever, faced the best talent at amateur level year by year rarly having single losses, this is the ultimate elite face each other and yes they total elite at pro level. Prime loma looks from another galaxy and makes champions Looks ordinary and donaire was koing everybody ranked around 3 p4p and hardly won 2 rds against rigo. Got fully schooled, looked like "what happened" after the fight...

In terms of record boxer like pac, canelo, GGG or crawford are the best right now.

In terms of quality who the best boxer are its loma & rigo.

So you consider an amazing amateur more skilled than a 17 year old beating the best in a division over 15 rounds? Are you seriously that dense?