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What fight caused more harm to the sport?

Neither caused any harm. The sport has always had bad decisions and it always will.

The golovkin fight was more disappointing in my opinion, as it was an actual fight that mattered

Ossyrules wrote:The golovkin fight was more disappointing in my opinion, as it was an actual fight that mattered

I agree with this, I found the Floyd/McGregor fight oddly more enjoyable. Probably because it exceeded my expectations of zero and last night was a bit of a letdown even before the shitty decision. Amazing to me what constitutes a 'great' fight these days. Though anyone who suffered through that Saunders/Monroe debacle could be excused for thinking that was a war.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The golovkin fight was more disappointing in my opinion, as it was an actual fight that mattered

I agree with this, I found the Floyd/McGregor fight oddly more enjoyable. Probably because it exceeded my expectations of zero and last night was a bit of a letdown even before the shitty decision. Amazing to me what constitutes a 'great' fight these days. Though anyone who suffered through that Saunders/Monroe debacle could be excused for thinking that was a war.

Yeah. It wasn't as great a fight as I had anticipated either, and like you that's "Before the decision"

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The golovkin fight was more disappointing in my opinion, as it was an actual fight that mattered

I agree with this, I found the Floyd/McGregor fight oddly more enjoyable. Probably because it exceeded my expectations of zero and last night was a bit of a letdown even before the shitty decision. Amazing to me what constitutes a 'great' fight these days. Though anyone who suffered through that Saunders/Monroe debacle could be excused for thinking that was a war.

Yeah as the when mcgregor won the first couple I was actually pissing myself with laughter at home, so it was fun in a way

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The golovkin fight was more disappointing in my opinion, as it was an actual fight that mattered

I agree with this, I found the Floyd/McGregor fight oddly more enjoyable. Probably because it exceeded my expectations of zero and last night was a bit of a letdown even before the shitty decision. Amazing to me what constitutes a 'great' fight these days. Though anyone who suffered through that Saunders/Monroe debacle could be excused for thinking that was a war.

Yeah as the when mcgregor won the first couple I was actually pissing myself with laughter at home, so it was fun in a way

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The golovkin fight was more disappointing in my opinion, as it was an actual fight that mattered

I agree with this, I found the Floyd/McGregor fight oddly more enjoyable. Probably because it exceeded my expectations of zero and last night was a bit of a letdown even before the shitty decision. Amazing to me what constitutes a 'great' fight these days. Though anyone who suffered through that Saunders/Monroe debacle could be excused for thinking that was a war.

Yeah. It wasn't as great a fight as I had anticipated either, and like you that's "Before the decision"

I had commented that I was afraid it would be tactical, it wasn't that. Canelo did too much running and GGG just couldn't quite land as cleanly as usual. Still a winning performance.

None of these fights harmed the sport of boxing.

Neither caused harm.

Mayweather v McGregor was WWE & whilst last night was an embarrassment for boxing, it won't do any lasting damage to the sport, as it was just another crap decision which has plagued boxing since its inception.

Syntax Error wrote:Neither caused harm.

Mayweather v McGregor was WWE & whilst last night was an embarrassment for boxing, it won't do any lasting damage to the sport, as it was just another crap decision which has plagued boxing since its inception.

Solid take, I agree.

Enlightened-One wrote:None of these fights harmed the sport of boxing.

They DO harm it badly... In the sense that Professional Boxing is not respected by the mainstream media and general public because everyone knows it's corrupt as Hell... The general public knows fixed fights are the order of the day -- and horrible decisions continually reinforce this perspective ...

95% of the boxers are honest and love Boxing... It's the infrastructure of Boxing that stinks of corruption: The Orgs, Commissions, Officials, Promoters, and VADA... There's too much emphasis on Business and Money and how to get it -- and not enough on the public image of the Sport and sportsmanship.

Kalan wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:None of these fights harmed the sport of boxing.

They DO harm it badly... In the sense that Professional Boxing is not respected by the mainstream media and general public because everyone knows it's corrupt as Hell... The general public knows fixed fights are the order of the day -- and horrible decisions continually reinforce this perspective ... 95% of the boxers are honest and love Boxing... It's the infrastructure of Boxing that stinks of corruption: The Orgs, Commissions, Officials, Promoters, and VADA... There's too much emphasis on Business and Money and how to get it -- and not enough on Sport and sportsmanship.

Professional boxing has always been corrupt. I know you're too young to remember Everett winning every round against escalera and losing in his hometown. They just don't fight as often now.

It is called professional boxing or prizefighting. It is about the money.

No matter the reasons for the result last night, there needs to be a rematch next May. Let's not forget the controversies of the first three fights between Pac and JMM.

3G is getting a bit annoying constantly saying he wants to fight. This is boxing and while 3G deserved the W GingerHead fought / boxed well. Jacobs fought even better. Brook was completely game.

I get the feeling that he just wants someone to standstill and trade shots. He did not do that last night. He was given every opportunity to attack with abandon but he chose not to because he sensed the trap.

I think that it is crystal clear that 3G was a combination of respecting GingerHead's power and scoring while conserving energy. 3G should have adjusted to GingerHead's escapes to his left (3G's right). I was surprised that he was not able to cut that off and make him move the other way. GingerHead was more successful at escaping pressure than I expected him to be. He should have invested more to the body, but maybe they were just avoiding GingerHead's counters.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:None of these fights harmed the sport of boxing.

They DO harm it badly... In the sense that Professional Boxing is not respected by the mainstream media and general public because everyone knows it's corrupt as Hell... The general public knows fixed fights are the order of the day -- and horrible decisions continually reinforce this perspective ... 95% of the boxers are honest and love Boxing... It's the infrastructure of Boxing that stinks of corruption: The Orgs, Commissions, Officials, Promoters, and VADA... There's too much emphasis on Business and Money and how to get it -- and not enough on Sport and sportsmanship.

Professional boxing has always been corrupt. I know you're too young to remember Everett winning every round against escalera and losing in his hometown. They just don't fight as often now.

Boxing has always been corrupt... That statement is true... I've been around forever and have been watching the sport since before you were born... The Ezzard Charles-Elmer Ray fight in 1947 was very obviously a corrupt decision, which was before my time, but people were still talking about it in the '50's because it was so bad.. The Patterson-Maxim fight was fixed, and everybody knew it.. Rocky Graziano and Jake LaMotta talked of offers to throw fights that they got.

Jim Norris controlled Boxing in the 1950's.. He was connected to mob figures.. He was the most corrupt individual who ever invaded the sport, and he fixed a Hell of a lot of fights.. There were calls for the worldwide abolition of Boxing and many people thought Boxing would die.. Howard Cosell said, “Boxing IS dead, and has been for a long time.”

Boxing outlived Cosell, which is fortunate.. Boxing is gaining worldwide momentum.. The only thing stopping Boxing from being a dominant world sport is the corruption and incompetence of its organizations and officials – and Boxing’s failure to address its shiitty ass judges and referees -- who seem to have a job for life no matter how incompetent they are.

I've often marveled at how good the judges in Gymnastics, Diving, and Figure Skating usually are... How they use up to 12 judges for one event to get the best possible result they can get... How they throw out the high and low scores... How all the judges score very similarly and have a deep background in their sport...and how they weed out judges who come up with outlier scores... They're on top of if.

I remember someone saying there's no way the judges would rob GGG against Canelo. The outcry would kill the sport. Lol. The backlash is slight and has already begun to sway and will be forgotten about in a week.

Las Vegas is the new Germany that's for sure. Reminds me of De La Hoya's draw against Felix Sturm. I hate to say it but the promotions truly run the sport (if it can be called that anymore) and the commission's are just strawmen in three piece suits that bend the rules whenever they want. Promotions like Goldenboy decide the outcomes, tell people who to love and hate, etc... It's become alot like professional wrestling anymore... There's no reason for a rematch or trilogy because everyone knows GGG won it outright.

HomicideHenry wrote:Las Vegas is the new Germany that's for sure. Reminds me of De La Hoya's draw against Felix Sturm. I hate to say it but the promotions truly run the sport (if it can be called that anymore) and the commission's are just strawmen in three piece suits that bend the rules whenever they want. Promotions like Goldenboy decide the outcomes, tell people who to love and hate, etc... It's become alot like professional wrestling anymore... There's no reason for a rematch or trilogy because everyone knows GGG won it outright.

They always have bitch boy.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Las Vegas is the new Germany that's for sure. Reminds me of De La Hoya's draw against Felix Sturm. I hate to say it but the promotions truly run the sport (if it can be called that anymore) and the commission's are just strawmen in three piece suits that bend the rules whenever they want. Promotions like Goldenboy decide the outcomes, tell people who to love and hate, etc... It's become alot like professional wrestling anymore... There's no reason for a rematch or trilogy because everyone knows GGG won it outright.

They always have bitch boy.

Maybe so but the shocking regularity of it is really turning people off. Maybe they should just create a federal boxing czar and get it done and over with because the ABC is a joke.

It's not more regular or egregious, just less fights.

HomicideHenry wrote: Maybe they should just create a federal boxing czar and get it done and over with because the ABC is a joke.

They talked about creating a Boxing Czar in the 1950's... It was Jim Norris. The problem is absolute power corrupts absolutely and he was corrupt through and through.. I don't know why but Boxing attracts riffraff, but it does.. Victor Conte was attracted to Boxing.. He was involved with Track & Field and got thrown in prison for illegal distribution of drugs. His athletes were getting nailed left and right for taking his PED's which he thought were undetectable.

Conte saw Boxing as a better avenue to flourish in -- more loaded with suckers and naiveté than any other sport.. He invented VADA.. Now he’s wedded up with the WBC.. This is another big scandal for Boxing that may percolate for 5 or 10 years or more before it breaks wide open.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Neither caused any harm. The sport has always had bad decisions and it always will.

Are you for real neither caused any harm well well well be fucked that fight that Golden Boy used the BIGGEST fight since Pacman v Mayweather does cause credibility HARM some people need to wake the fornicate up this was Oscar at his best I am fornicating sick to death of this fornicating sh.t

Kalan wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:None of these fights harmed the sport of boxing.

They DO harm it badly... In the sense that Professional Boxing is not respected by the mainstream media and general public because everyone knows it's corrupt as Hell... The general public knows fixed fights are the order of the day -- and horrible decisions continually reinforce this perspective ...

95% of the boxers are honest and love Boxing... It's the infrastructure of Boxing that stinks of corruption: The Orgs, Commissions, Officials, Promoters, and VADA... There's too much emphasis on Business and Money and how to get it -- and not enough on the public image of the Sport and sportsmanship.

Kalan your on the money whats going on mate

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Neither caused any harm. The sport has always had bad decisions and it always will.

That doesn't mean it doesn't cause it any harm. The sport continually loses support because of the BS around it. If such events never happened then more people would have respect for it and show an interest.

Those saying it didn't cause harm are absolutely deluded. The mayweather McGregor "fight" was huge profile- loads of folk who normally never watch fights would have watched it and thought that was representative of boxing - boring, uncompetitive and undignified.

The GGG Canelo fight would confirm to many that boxing is corrupt and politics are as important as ability. It should have been a show case of the best we have to offer. Instead it left folk feeling frustrated.

How can that not do any harm??