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The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 10:31
by jezzamundo
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Round 1:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - Canelo
Trella - Canelo
My take - I thought GGG edged this round, but it's close enough that I can accept their opinion, although all three scoring it to Canelo is a bit suss.

Round 2:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - Canelo
Trella - Canelo
My take - Agree, clear Canelo round

Round 3:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - GGG
Trella - GGG
My take - I thought Canelo edged this round, perhaps Moretti and Trella were evening up their scorecards after giving the close 1st round to Canelo

Round 4:
Byrd - GGG
Moretti - GGG
Trella - GGG
My take - Agree, clear GGG round

Round 5:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - GGG
Trella - GGG
My take - Byrd was off the mark on this round, it's a clear one for GGG

Round 6:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - GGG
Trella - GGG
My take - Byrd was again off the mark in another clear GGG round

Round 7:
Byrd - GGG
Moretti - GGG
Trella - Canelo
My take - Clear GGG round - even Byrd saw it. Trella's poor judgement in this round cost GGG the fight - perhaps he was trying to even things up after giving the past four rounds to GGG

Round 8:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - GGG
Trella - GGG
My take - While I disagree with Byrd, I think this round was close enough that I can let her off. I gave it to Canelo on first viewing, but on second viewing I think it's a close GGG round

Round 9:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - GGG
Trella - GGG
My take - Byrd was again off the mark in another clear GGG round

Round 10:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - Canelo
Trella - Canelo
My take - I thought GGG edged this round, but it's close enough for me not to complain with the judges, though all three scoring it to Canelo is a little suss

Round 11:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - Canelo
Trella - Canelo
My take - Another very close round, I gave it to GGG on first viewing and to Canelo on 2nd viewing, can't argue with the judges

Round 12:
Byrd - Canelo
Moretti - Canelo
Trella - Canelo
My take - I agree, clear Canelo round

OVERALL JUDGE ASSESSMENT:
Byrd - Had a bad night, giving every close round to Canelo and three clear GGG rounds to Canelo too.
Moretti - Had a good night, while he had it closer than me, there isn't one round he clearly gave to the wrong fighter.
Trella - Got one round clearly wrong (the 7th) which ultimately cost GGG the fight.

How the decision should have gone, fixing all of the blatant judging errors:
Byrd - 115:113 Canelo (a poor scorecard giving Canelo every close round, but at least defensible)
Moretti - 115:113 GGG (no change)
Trella - 115:113 GGG (giving the 7th to GGG)

Split decision win for GGG

For the record, I had it 116-112 to GGG both times I watched the fight

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 10:34
by ElJefe
Seems like a reasonable assessment. Trella giving the 7th to Canelo reminds me of all 3 judges giving the 10th to Ward in his first fight with Kovalev. Straightforward round to score and cost the deserved winner the fight.

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 11:37
by jezzamundo
ElJefe wrote:Seems like a reasonable assessment. Trella giving the 7th to Canelo reminds me of all 3 judges giving the 10th to Ward in his first fight with Kovalev. Straightforward round to score and cost the deserved winner the fight.
I thought that too.

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 11:41
by JCS
Round 1 was a swing round, as it almost always is..

How'd Trella score the 7th for Canelo? This was probably the clearest round in the fight to score...

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 12:14
by boxing_rocks
JCS wrote:Round 1 was a swing round, as it almost always is..

How'd Trella score the 7th for Canelo? This was probably the clearest round in the fight to score...
That was when he got a call reminding him that he has to score the fight as a draw or else.

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 15:35
by BoxBuzz
The Canelo supporters may be latching onto something in the fact that he won the last 3 rounds.


I do feel it was a fight that GGG won, but seldom does the winner of a fight lose all of the last 3 rounds. I'm sure they will make more out of it than there is. But it is at least interesting.


You can argue that something similar to this is what cost DLH his fight against Tito....except in that case DLH was not even making much of an effort. GGG continued to impose a lot of problems for Canelo in those last rounds.


Does seem to be a somewhat manufactured outcome for the purpose of another big money event.

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 16:30
by fanman
jezamundo ... if you take all the swing rounds by your own analysis and give them to canelo. then it is 7-5 canelo. hence the subjective nature of judging a fight.

if one takes the average of the 3 judges, then 1-2 go to canelo. 3-9 go to ggg. and 10-12 go to canelo. makes 7-5 ggg. which is probably fair. but judges and all people probably give rounds to even out their card in some sense (not byrd of course).

maybe that is the key to fixing judging! take the average of the 3 scores and award the round that way. then there is only 1 final, averaged score.

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 16:35
by JCS
fanman wrote:jezamundo ... if you take all the swing rounds by your own analysis and give them to canelo. then it is 7-5 canelo. hence the subjective nature of judging a fight.

if one takes the average of the 3 judges, then 1-2 go to canelo. 3-9 go to ggg. and 10-12 go to canelo. makes 7-5 ggg. which is probably fair. but judges and all people probably give rounds to even out their card in some sense (not byrd of course).

maybe that is the key to fixing judging! take the average of the 3 scores and award the round that way. then there is only 1 final, averaged score.

What's even more interesting.. is take the unanimous rounds and compare..

Canelo - 1,2,10,11,12
GGG - 4

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 16:44
by Counter-puncher
Nice post jezzamundo :TU:

Re: The rounds that cost GGG the fight

Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 16:52
by Tony1244
Counter-puncher wrote:Nice post jezzamundo :TU:

Great post because it showed how much disagreement there was on virtually every round. No rounds were really obvious, were they? That takes some pressure off Ms. Byrd.