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2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 07:57
by caldo2025
2017 has already been one of the best years for the sport in decades. We still have a couple huge fights left to go but who do you have as your fighter of the year so far? It's a tougher call than i thought it would be.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 08:18
by Kilsby
I can't pick who it should be but I can say definitely who it shouldn't be.
GGG - No, Jacobs fight was debatable, as with Canelo - no legitimate claim
Loma - No, again beating Sosa & Marriaga don't cut it - no legitimate claim
Canelo - same reason as GGG - no outstanding win - no legitimate claim
Joshua - Great fight Vs Klitschko but going life & death with a 41 year doesn't win you fighter of the year - no legitimate claim
Ward - Beat a monster twice in Kovalev who no-one wanted to touch (Contender)
Rungvisal - Beat a potential ATG twice, the second time convincingly (Contender)
Crawford - Unified the 4 belts (Contender)
Spence - Announced himself on the world stage beating a very good champion in his own backyard (Fringe Contender)
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 08:25
by stujones
Crawford for me.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 09:16
by Tanzio
Too early.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 09:31
by Ricky_
Ward-Kov 1 was in 2016. Not to mention Kovalev clearly won.
Golovkin's win over Canelo is more conclusive than Ward's nut-shot finish over Kovalev. Factor in a close win over Jacobs, nobody comes close to those 2 calibre of wins.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 09:49
by Kilsby
Ricky_ wrote:Ward-Kov 1 was in 2016. Not to mention Kovalev clearly won.
Golovkin's win over Canelo is more conclusive than Ward's nut-shot finish over Kovalev. Factor in a close win over Jacobs, nobody comes close to those 2 calibre of wins.
I stand corrected over Ward vs Kov 1. But Kovalev clearly winning when he freely admitted there was nothing in the tank after 6 rounds? It was a close decision either way. As for the nut-shot. He bullied the bully and the bully quit. It was a conclusive a finish as you can possibly get.
But since we are talking in facts, GGGs "2 wins" as you put it was officially 1 win and a draw. Both disputed. Hardly FOTY 2017 form is it?
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 09:52
by Tanzio
My vote would go to Hitman Jr if it was cast today.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 10:00
by davie
Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
His 2 wins over Roman top any of them.
Too many qyestions over the outcomes of the 2 really big fights
Crawford would be second. Beat the best in his weight class to prove himself no 1 but the quality of opposition wasn't p4p top 5 quality, Roman was.
Rungvisai may not match some of these names in a p4p sense but his achievements for the year are unrivalled
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 10:02
by Ricky_
Kilsby wrote:Ricky_ wrote:Ward-Kov 1 was in 2016. Not to mention Kovalev clearly won.
Golovkin's win over Canelo is more conclusive than Ward's nut-shot finish over Kovalev. Factor in a close win over Jacobs, nobody comes close to those 2 calibre of wins.
I stand corrected over Ward vs Kov 1. But Kovalev clearly winning when he freely admitted there was nothing in the tank after 6 rounds? It was a close decision either way. As for the nut-shot. He bullied the bully and the bully quit. It was a conclusive a finish as you can possibly get.
But since we are talking in facts, GGGs "2 wins" as you put it was officially 1 win and a draw. Both disputed. Hardly FOTY 2017 form is it?
Disputed by the likes of Adelaide Byrd? Golovkin beat them both, it's not dispitable.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 10:22
by Kilsby
Ricky_ wrote:Kilsby wrote:Ricky_ wrote:Ward-Kov 1 was in 2016. Not to mention Kovalev clearly won.
Golovkin's win over Canelo is more conclusive than Ward's nut-shot finish over Kovalev. Factor in a close win over Jacobs, nobody comes close to those 2 calibre of wins.
I stand corrected over Ward vs Kov 1. But Kovalev clearly winning when he freely admitted there was nothing in the tank after 6 rounds? It was a close decision either way. As for the nut-shot. He bullied the bully and the bully quit. It was a conclusive a finish as you can possibly get.
But since we are talking in facts, GGGs "2 wins" as you put it was officially 1 win and a draw. Both disputed. Hardly FOTY 2017 form is it?
Disputed by the likes of Adelaide Byrd? Golovkin beat them both, it's not dispitable.
It is disputable, because we are here discussing it. There would have been no debate if he had knocked both out like he had done with his previous 20 odd victims - but he didn't.
It wasn't a stellar year for him. Except it and move on.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 10:28
by Ricky_
Kilsby wrote:Ricky_ wrote:Kilsby wrote:
I stand corrected over Ward vs Kov 1. But Kovalev clearly winning when he freely admitted there was nothing in the tank after 6 rounds? It was a close decision either way. As for the nut-shot. He bullied the bully and the bully quit. It was a conclusive a finish as you can possibly get.
But since we are talking in facts, GGGs "2 wins" as you put it was officially 1 win and a draw. Both disputed. Hardly FOTY 2017 form is it?
Disputed by the likes of Adelaide Byrd? Golovkin beat them both, it's not dispitable.
It is disputable, because we are here discussing it. There would have been no debate if he had knocked both out like he had done with his previous 20 odd victims - but he didn't.
It wasn't a stellar year for him. Except it and move on.
Accept what exactly? He beat Jacobs which is fact, and he beat Canelo according to pretty much everybody who knows anything about boxing.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 10:52
by Kilsby
^^^^
So did he beat him then or was it officially a draw?

Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 10:59
by Kilsby
Over a 11 year professional boxing career 2017 is the only year so far GGG has failed to register a tko/ko.
He had two fights. 1 win & 1 draw.
Plenty of fans questioned his "wins" in both fights.
These are the facts.
Now - with the above truths layed out in black and white. Do you still think he deserves 2017 fighter of the year?
If anything, 2017 will be remembered as the year GGG showed his age and started to look human.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 11:11
by klitoris
Still more than 3 months to go in the year. Everything will depend on the December fights.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 11:45
by SaadOffTheDeck
davie wrote:Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
His 2 wins over Roman top any of them.
Too many qyestions over the outcomes of the 2 really big fights
Crawford would be second. Beat the best in his weight class to prove himself no 1 but the quality of opposition wasn't p4p top 5 quality, Roman was.
Rungvisai may not match some of these names in a p4p sense but his achievements for the year are unrivalled
Questionable outcomes and no mention of the first decision over Roman? He didn't win that fight.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 11:53
by ValMar
I have not any dilemma. Crawford's unification at LWW is the greatest achievement this year. I prefer HW and i enjoy much more watching Joshua than TC. I admit that competition at LWW is not the strongest possible, and 2018 might be very difficult for Crawford at WW, but for this year he ought to be undisputed #1.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 11:53
by Ricky_
Kilsby wrote:Over a 11 year professional boxing career 2017 is the only year so far GGG has failed to register a tko/ko.
He had two fights. 1 win & 1 draw.
Plenty of fans questioned his "wins" in both fights.
These are the facts.
Now - with the above truths layed out in black and white. Do you still think he deserves 2017 fighter of the year?
If anything, 2017 will be remembered as the year GGG showed his age and started to look human.
He beat Jacobs as a matter of fact.
He beat Canelo in the eyes of anyone who knows what they are watching. Just because Adelaide Byrd and trella are corrupt doesn't change what happened in the ring.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 12:03
by ValMar
ValMar wrote:I have not any dilemma. Crawford's unification at LWW is the greatest achievement this year. I prefer HW and i enjoy much more watching Joshua than TC. I admit that competition at LWW is not the strongest possible, and 2018 might be very difficult for Crawford at WW, but for this year he ought to be undisputed #1.
....And, I have to add....He has not avoided anyone.....He has not obtained undeserved judge's help.....
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 12:10
by Kilsby
Ricky_ wrote:Kilsby wrote:Over a 11 year professional boxing career 2017 is the only year so far GGG has failed to register a tko/ko.
He had two fights. 1 win & 1 draw.
Plenty of fans questioned his "wins" in both fights.
These are the facts.
Now - with the above truths layed out in black and white. Do you still think he deserves 2017 fighter of the year?
If anything, 2017 will be remembered as the year GGG showed his age and started to look human.
He beat Jacobs as a matter of fact.
He beat Canelo in the eyes of anyone who knows what they are watching. Just because Adelaide Byrd and trella are corrupt doesn't change what happened in the ring.
So 2 of the 3 judges didn't side conclusively with GGG - so both are corrupt because they didn't agree with you?
The 114-114 scorecard was entirely justifiable. As was the 115-114 scored for GGG. What don't you understand about it being a close fight
You will never be able to score a fight as a neutral as you obviously only see one side of the coin. I see a close fight. As did 2 of the 3 judges. But it wasn't a great fight for GGG as Canelo was smarter, took GGGs best shot flush & shook his head & wobbled GGG in one of the later rounds.
Not a FOTY 2017 performance anyway you look at it.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 12:10
by Cent0089
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 12:24
by Ricky_
Kilsby wrote:Ricky_ wrote:Kilsby wrote:Over a 11 year professional boxing career 2017 is the only year so far GGG has failed to register a tko/ko.
He had two fights. 1 win & 1 draw.
Plenty of fans questioned his "wins" in both fights.
These are the facts.
Now - with the above truths layed out in black and white. Do you still think he deserves 2017 fighter of the year?
If anything, 2017 will be remembered as the year GGG showed his age and started to look human.
He beat Jacobs as a matter of fact.
He beat Canelo in the eyes of anyone who knows what they are watching. Just because Adelaide Byrd and trella are corrupt doesn't change what happened in the ring.
So 2 of the 3 judges didn't side conclusively with GGG - so both are corrupt because they didn't agree with you?
The 114-114 scorecard was entirely justifiable. As was the 115-114 scored for GGG. What don't you understand about it being a close fight
You will never be able to score a fight as a neutral as you obviously only see one side of the coin. I see a close fight. As did 2 of the 3 judges. But it wasn't a great fight for GGG as Canelo was smarter, took GGGs best shot flush & shook his head & wobbled GGG in one of the later rounds.
Not a FOTY 2017 performance anyway you look at it.
Trella's 114-114 wasn't feesible as he awarded 10-9 to Canelo in r7. It's not up for debate, Golovkin won, the bogus dec has cost a judge her job.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 12:28
by Kilsby
^^^
It is up for debate unless GGG knocked Canelo down in this round or beat him from pillar to post.
If he did - I must have missed it.
No matter how loud you protest you have to realize people can have a different opinion to yourself.
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 12:31
by Stuarty
Id agree with that

Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 13:16
by Ossyrules
It's too early there's fights still to come.
It's a shame golovkin had the Canelo result taken from him. He should be a shoe in for me otherwise
Re: 2017 FIGHTER Of THE YEAR
Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 13:51
by Ricky_
Kilsby wrote:^^^
It is up for debate unless GGG knocked Canelo down in this round or beat him from pillar to post.
If he did - I must have missed it.
No matter how loud you protest you have to realize people can have a different opinion to yourself.
Anyone who doesn't think Golovkin beat Canelo is an idiot.