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Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto aren't going to retire in 2017, but Shane Mosley, Andre Ward, Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez all deserves some consideration, since they really have retired.

In terms of the fighters you've listed though...

Here are the dead-cert 2022 inductees (in order of accomplishment and likelihood):

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Wladimir Klitschko

Note: I personally doubt the sincerity about James Toney and Roy Jones Jr’s retirement from the sport. Several reputable journalists feel the same way too. And assuming we're all correct about this, then I’d expect a close call between Juan Manuel Marquez and Andre Ward for the battle to become the third inductee. I’d personally favour the S.O.G. to gain the nod for the third sport, based purely on accomplishments, even though I have always preferred watching Juan Manuel Marquez fight.

For the record, these guys could be up against some really great names that aren’t listed in your poll, but are included in the IBHoF ballot nearly every year, such as:

• Nigel Benn
• Chris Eubank
• Donald Curry
• Genaro Hernandez
• Julian Jackson
• Michael Moorer
• Dariusz Michalczewski
• Sung Kil Moon
• Orzubek Nazarov
• Sven Ottke
• Gianfranco Rosi
• Gilberto Román
• Meldrick Taylor
• Fernando Vargas
• Sot Chitlada
• Yuri Arbachakov
• Leo Gamez
• The list goes on-and-on-and-on

Please revise your list accordingly.

Manny has already said he won't be fighting again until next year. But since he is on the poll it's an easy one, Floyd, PAC and rjj. Ward should be on the poll.

And for the not so enlightened one it's the year of your last fight, not the year you retire. As always when I take you to boxing school, you're welcome.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:And for the not so enlightened one it's the year of your last fight, not the year you retire. As always when I take you to boxing school, you're welcome.

The names I listed Shane Mosley, Andre Ward, Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez all officially announced their retirement from the sport during 2017. That’s all I claimed. Read my words.

They may not necessarily be first-ballot Hall-of-Famers, so Bradley, Mosley and Marquez could be included in the ballot for 2022. I also listed seventeen other fighters that could still be included in the IBHoF ballot for 2022.

Bernard Hopkins can be included in the very same 2022 ballot, since the five year anniversary of his retirement falls after the typical date of the IBHoF annual ballot (i.e. the voting deadline).

Chippo wrote:I believe Cotto said he's having one more fight around Xmas time and is then hanging them up.

Cotto very recently signed a multi-year multi-fight deal with GBP, which he did after claiming he would retire during 2017.

Perhaps you're right, maybe Cotto really will retire by the end of the current calendar year, but this conflicts with the info. that I've read.

I can provide you with links to justify my opinion, if you want? I've actually found an article published by BS where they quoted Cotto confirming this.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope he really does retire soon.

Chippo wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Chippo wrote:I believe Cotto said he's having one more fight around Xmas time and is then hanging them up.

Cotto very recently signed a multi-year multi-fight deal with GBP, which he did after claiming he would retire during 2017.

Perhaps you're right, maybe Cotto really will retire by the end of the current calendar year, but this conflicts with the info. that I've read.

I can provide you with links to justify my opinion, if you want? I've actually found an article published by BS where they quoted Cotto confirming this.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope he really does retire soon.

Nah don't bother, I'm not that interested; I'm sure his situation will change half a dozen times anyway. I also hope he retires soon, he deserves it.

You're right anyway. Cotto has repeatedly said his last fight is in December.

Enlightened-One wrote:Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto aren't going to retire in 2017, but Shane Mosley, Andre Ward, Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez all deserves some consideration, since they really have retired.

In terms of the fighters you've listed though...

Here are the dead-cert 2022 inductees (in order of accomplishment and likelihood):

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Wladimir Klitschko

Note: I personally doubt the sincerity about James Toney and Roy Jones Jr’s retirement from the sport. Several reputable journalists feel the same way too. And assuming we're all correct about this, then I’d expect a close call between Juan Manuel Marquez and Andre Ward for the battle to become the third inductee. I’d personally favour the S.O.G. to gain the nod for the third sport, based purely on accomplishments, even though I have always preferred watching Juan Manuel Marquez fight.

For the record, these guys could be up against some really great names that aren’t listed in your poll, but are included in the IBHoF ballot nearly every year, such as:

• Nigel Benn
• Chris Eubank
• Donald Curry
• Genaro Hernandez
• Julian Jackson
• Michael Moorer
• Dariusz Michalczewski
• Sung Kil Moon
• Orzubek Nazarov
• Sven Ottke
• Gianfranco Rosi
• Gilberto Román
• Meldrick Taylor
• Fernando Vargas
• Sot Chitlada
• Yuri Arbachakov
• Leo Gamez
• The list goes on-and-on-and-on

Please revise your list accordingly.

I'm surprised Eubank, Benn and Darius haven't made it, but Barry McGuigan has.

Chippo wrote:2017 will most likely mark the final year of fighting for the following superstars of boxers:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
James Toney
Roy Jones Jr.
Wlad Klitschko

They will all be eligible for the International Boxing Hall of Fame 5 years from now in 2022.

Only 3 (modern era) boxers are eligible per year.

Which 3 get in on the first ballot? Vote above (you can select 3).

Can we class Floyd and RJJ as retired? They might fight again. Does a fighter have to be retired to be entered? Surely Foreman was in long before his comeback?

As you can tell, I know very little about the IBHoF.

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto aren't going to retire in 2017, but Shane Mosley, Andre Ward, Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez all deserves some consideration, since they really have retired.

In terms of the fighters you've listed though...

Here are the dead-cert 2022 inductees (in order of accomplishment and likelihood):

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Wladimir Klitschko

Note: I personally doubt the sincerity about James Toney and Roy Jones Jr’s retirement from the sport. Several reputable journalists feel the same way too. And assuming we're all correct about this, then I’d expect a close call between Juan Manuel Marquez and Andre Ward for the battle to become the third inductee. I’d personally favour the S.O.G. to gain the nod for the third sport, based purely on accomplishments, even though I have always preferred watching Juan Manuel Marquez fight.

For the record, these guys could be up against some really great names that aren’t listed in your poll, but are included in the IBHoF ballot nearly every year, such as:

• Nigel Benn
• Chris Eubank
• Donald Curry
• Genaro Hernandez
• Julian Jackson
• Michael Moorer
• Dariusz Michalczewski
• Sung Kil Moon
• Orzubek Nazarov
• Sven Ottke
• Gianfranco Rosi
• Gilberto Román
• Meldrick Taylor
• Fernando Vargas
• Sot Chitlada
• Yuri Arbachakov
• Leo Gamez
• The list goes on-and-on-and-on

Please revise your list accordingly.

I'm surprised Eubank, Benn and Darius haven't made it, but Barry McGuigan has.

I'm a little surprised about Terry Norris being inducted into the IBHoF, but Julian Jackson hasn't.

The voters are highly under qualified. I doubt any of them have seen michalczewski fight.its 5 years from your last bout.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto aren't going to retire in 2017, but Shane Mosley, Andre Ward, Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez all deserves some consideration, since they really have retired.

In terms of the fighters you've listed though...

Here are the dead-cert 2022 inductees (in order of accomplishment and likelihood):

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Wladimir Klitschko

Note: I personally doubt the sincerity about James Toney and Roy Jones Jr’s retirement from the sport. Several reputable journalists feel the same way too. And assuming we're all correct about this, then I’d expect a close call between Juan Manuel Marquez and Andre Ward for the battle to become the third inductee. I’d personally favour the S.O.G. to gain the nod for the third sport, based purely on accomplishments, even though I have always preferred watching Juan Manuel Marquez fight.

For the record, these guys could be up against some really great names that aren’t listed in your poll, but are included in the IBHoF ballot nearly every year, such as:

• Nigel Benn
• Chris Eubank
• Donald Curry
• Genaro Hernandez
• Julian Jackson
• Michael Moorer
• Dariusz Michalczewski
• Sung Kil Moon
• Orzubek Nazarov
• Sven Ottke
• Gianfranco Rosi
• Gilberto Román
• Meldrick Taylor
• Fernando Vargas
• Sot Chitlada
• Yuri Arbachakov
• Leo Gamez
• The list goes on-and-on-and-on

Please revise your list accordingly.

I'm surprised Eubank, Benn and Darius haven't made it, but Barry McGuigan has.

I'm a little surprised about Terry Norris being inducted into the IBHoF, but Julian Jackson hasn't.

I agree. Jackson, although probably one of the best punchers in boxing history, always fell short of greatness. He was world champion, but from memory, not sure he defended it that much.

Loki wrote:

Chippo wrote:2017 will most likely mark the final year of fighting for the following superstars of boxers:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
James Toney
Roy Jones Jr.
Wlad Klitschko

They will all be eligible for the International Boxing Hall of Fame 5 years from now in 2022.

Only 3 (modern era) boxers are eligible per year.

Which 3 get in on the first ballot? Vote above (you can select 3).

Can we class Floyd and RJJ as retired? They might fight again. Does a fighter have to be retired to be entered? Surely Foreman was in long before his comeback?

As you can tell, I know very little about the IBHoF.

A fighter has to be "retired" and also having not fought for five years prior to being entered. George Foreman wasn't inducted until 2003. I think it only started in 1990, judging by the years the fighters were inducted.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The voters are highly under qualified. I doubt any of them have seen michalczewski fight.its 5 years from your last bout.

Ah, I should always read title of thread..

I'm 100% sure Floyd and RJJ will fight again. Klitschko, Marquez and Mosely won't.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:

Chippo wrote:2017 will most likely mark the final year of fighting for the following superstars of boxers:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
James Toney
Roy Jones Jr.
Wlad Klitschko

They will all be eligible for the International Boxing Hall of Fame 5 years from now in 2022.

Only 3 (modern era) boxers are eligible per year.

Which 3 get in on the first ballot? Vote above (you can select 3).

Can we class Floyd and RJJ as retired? They might fight again. Does a fighter have to be retired to be entered? Surely Foreman was in long before his comeback?

As you can tell, I know very little about the IBHoF.

A fighter has to be "retired" and also having not fought for five years prior to being entered. George Foreman wasn't inducted until 2003. I think it only started in 1990, judging by the years the fighters were inducted.

Got it. Who votes?

Loki wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The voters are highly under qualified. I doubt any of them have seen michalczewski fight.its 5 years from your last bout.

Ah, I should always read title of thread..

I'm 100% sure Floyd and RJJ will fight again. Klitschko, Marquez and Mosely won't.

I think Marquez goes in 2020 anyway.

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:
I'm surprised Eubank, Benn and Darius haven't made it, but Barry McGuigan has.

I'm a little surprised about Terry Norris being inducted into the IBHoF, but Julian Jackson hasn't.

I agree. Jackson, although probably one of the best punchers in boxing history, always fell short of greatness. He was world champion, but from memory, not sure he defended it that much.

Wasn’t Julian Jackson a three-time world champion, won titles in two weight classes, competed in fourteen world title fights and also KO’d seriously talented fighters like Terry Norris & Herol Graham? Didn’t he also have an 11 ½ period where he only tasted defeat to the great Mike McCallum.

Somehow though, Terry Norris makes the IBHoF, but Jackson doesn’t?

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:
Can we class Floyd and RJJ as retired? They might fight again. Does a fighter have to be retired to be entered? Surely Foreman was in long before his comeback?

As you can tell, I know very little about the IBHoF.

A fighter has to be "retired" and also having not fought for five years prior to being entered. George Foreman wasn't inducted until 2003. I think it only started in 1990, judging by the years the fighters were inducted.

Got it. Who votes?

Journalists like Dan Rafael.

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:
Can we class Floyd and RJJ as retired? They might fight again. Does a fighter have to be retired to be entered? Surely Foreman was in long before his comeback?

As you can tell, I know very little about the IBHoF.

A fighter has to be "retired" and also having not fought for five years prior to being entered. George Foreman wasn't inducted until 2003. I think it only started in 1990, judging by the years the fighters were inducted.

Got it. Who votes?

I've just read up on it. Some weird inductees.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I'm a little surprised about Terry Norris being inducted into the IBHoF, but Julian Jackson hasn't.

I agree. Jackson, although probably one of the best punchers in boxing history, always fell short of greatness. He was world champion, but from memory, not sure he defended it that much.

Wasn’t Julian Jackson a three-time world champion, won titles in two weight classes, competed in fourteen world title fights and also KO’d seriously talented fighters like Terry Norris & Herol Graham? Didn’t he also have an 11 ½ period where he only tasted defeat to the great Mike McCallum.

Somehow though, Terry Norris makes the IBHoF, but Jackson doesn’t?

I agree. Strange. I'll re-check Jacksons record.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: A fighter has to be "retired" and also having not fought for five years prior to being entered. George Foreman wasn't inducted until 2003. I think it only started in 1990, judging by the years the fighters were inducted.

Got it. Who votes?

Journalists like Dan Rafael.

That explains it. Don't past inductees vote?

Loki wrote:

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: A fighter has to be "retired" and also having not fought for five years prior to being entered. George Foreman wasn't inducted until 2003. I think it only started in 1990, judging by the years the fighters were inducted.

Got it. Who votes?

I've just read up on it. Some weird inductees.

I think the criterion is very subjective. It’s not always about talent or accomplishment.

Arturo Gatti was an inductee; because of he achieved “greatness” from his historical contribution to the sport, primarily on the back of his legendary wars against Micky Ward.

Therefore, there are “better” and far more accomplished fighters than Gatti that haven’t been inducted, because their overall contribution to the sport of boxing wasn’t as significant.

Sylvester Stallone has been inducted to the IBHoF (as an observer), but he can’t fight for shít, but he’s one of the sports’ most significant figures in its entire history.

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:
Got it. Who votes?

Journalists like Dan Rafael.

That explains it. Don't past inductees vote?

Directly from the website:

Members of the Boxing Writers Association of America and an international panel of boxing historians cast votes. Voters from Japan, England, Canada, Mexico, South Africa, Germany, Puerto Rico and the United States are among those who participate in the election process.

Enlightened-One wrote:For the record, these guys could be up against some really great names that aren’t listed in your poll, but are included in the IBHoF ballot nearly every year, such as:

• Nigel Benn
• Chris Eubank
• Donald Curry
• Genaro Hernandez
• Julian Jackson
• Michael Moorer
• Dariusz Michalczewski
• Sung Kil Moon
• Orzubek Nazarov
• Sven Ottke
• Gianfranco Rosi
• Gilberto Román
• Meldrick Taylor
• Fernando Vargas
• Sot Chitlada
• Yuri Arbachakov
• Leo Gamez
• The list goes on-and-on-and-on

Ottke & Michalczewski were pampered, protected Germany-based fighters whose chances steadily diminish now that they have been gone for over a decade.

Nazarov's resume is too weak because of his short pro career after too much time in amateurs.

Gamez was a belt-collector whose Venezulean connections gave him lots of world title shots but he was only 7-8-1 in world title fights.

Vargas is borderline because his progress was cut short by the brutal beatdown from Trinidad. Same could be said of Taylor although his beatdown by Chavez was not nearly as brutal (but still was a career downward turn).

Rosi has nice numbers due to his impressive longevity of 27 years but fact is that he rarely beat a world-class fighter and lost to several who were less than world-class. His career-defining win was a hairline decision over Lupe Aquino.

Other than that, the list is pretty solid.

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:
I agree. Jackson, although probably one of the best punchers in boxing history, always fell short of greatness. He was world champion, but from memory, not sure he defended it that much.

Wasn’t Julian Jackson a three-time world champion, won titles in two weight classes, competed in fourteen world title fights and also KO’d seriously talented fighters like Terry Norris & Herol Graham? Didn’t he also have an 11 ½ period where he only tasted defeat to the great Mike McCallum.

Somehow though, Terry Norris makes the IBHoF, but Jackson doesn’t?

I agree. Strange. I'll re-check Jacksons record.

Jackson doesn't belong.

1. Jones-the best boxer ever
2. Pac-climbed 10 divisions/ducked nobody
3. Floyd-brilliant career/ducked top opponents