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Now that he's retired, I thought I’d put together a list of Andre Ward’s accomplishments:

• A dead-cert first-ballot 2022 Hall-of-Famer
• Retired with an undefeated record of 32 wins, 16 KO’s & zero defeats
• Competed in nine world title fights
• Captured world titles in two weight classes
• Defeated six former world champions: Mikkel Kessler (Three time 168lbs); Sakio Bika (168lbs); Arthur Abraham (Three time in 160lbs & 168lbs); Carl Froch (Three time 168lbs); Chad Dawson (Two time 175lbs who also defeated Bernard Hopkins); Sergey Kovalev (175lbs)
• Defeated three top-ten pound-for-pounders = Sergey Kovalev (2nd); Carl Froch (9th); Chad Dawson (10th)
• Defeated two The RING light heavyweight champions = Sergey Kovalev & Chad Dawson
• Defeated two The RING highest rated super-middleweights = Mikkel Kessler & Carl Froch
• The RING Fighter of the Year 2011 (& probably 2017)
• The RING champion at 168lbs & 175lbs
• The RING pound-for-pound top ten = 2011 (10th); 2012 (2nd); 2013 (2nd); 2017 (1st)
• The RING Champion at super-middleweight & light heavyweight
• The Boxing Writers Association of America's Fighter of the Year = 2011 (& probably 2017)
• The Ring Magazine Comeback of the Year (2016)
• ESPN Fighter of the Year (2011) (& probably 2017)
• Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year (2011) (& probably 2017)
• Named the 22nd greatest boxer of the last 25 years by Boxing News in 2016.
• Named the 17th greatest pound-for-pound boxer of the last 25 years by a panel of experts from ESPN in 2016
• The lineal super-middleweight champion
• Captured the WBC & WBA Super World Super Middleweight Titles and also the IBF, WBO & WBA Super World Light Heavyweight Titles
• Winner of the Super Six World Boxing Classic
• Ten of his wins have come against The RING rated top-ten divisional fighters: Mikkel Kessler; Allan Green; Sakio Bika; Arthur Abraham; Carl Froch; Chad Dawson; Edwin Rodriguez; Sergey Kovalev; Edison Miranda; Paul Smith
• Excluding the Paul Smith Fight, his last ten opponents had a combined record of: 274 wins, 11 losses & 4 draws (an average record of 27 wins & only 1 loss)
• Blemished the records of seven undefeated fighters
• Olympic gold medallist 2004
• Amateur Record = 115 wins; 5 losses
• Competed in two PPV’s (Kovalev I & II)
• Hasn’t tasted defeat since he was twelve years old

Thoughts?

You're fukkiing blind if you think Ward won the first Kovalev fight... Kovalev landed more punches... landed harder punches... knocked Ward down... was the aggressor most of the way and repeatedly chased Ward to the ropes.. He won 116-111 at least.

The rematch was ended on low blows. when Kovalev bent over... Khan vs Judah was another robbery -- a deliberate low blow ended it when Judah went down for the count.. Generally you get rest or the fouler get DQ'd.. Larry Holmes repeatedly got rest from the low blows by Gerry Cooney when Holmes bent over.. Riddick Bowe got rest when he was fouled with low blows, and was eventually justly awarded both Golota fights.

Kirk Johnson got screwed when Joe Cortez called several low blows on Johnson while Ruiz was head butting him, wrestling, and physically throwing Johnson to canvas.. An accidental borderline low blow ended the fight on DQ. The punch didn't hurt Ruiz in the slightest, but Cortez handed the fight to his buddy, the fouling Ruiz, on DQ.. The commentators all disagreed with the decision.. Justice is sometimes done in this game ... at other times corruption prevails.

Kalan wrote:You're fukkiing blind if you think Ward won the first Kovalev fight... Kovalev landed more punches... landed harder punches... knocked Ward down... was the aggressor most of the way and repeatedly chased Ward to the ropes.. He won 116-111 at least.

The rematch was ended on low blows. when Kovalev bent over... Khan vs Judah was another robbery -- a deliberate low blow ended it when Judah went down for the count.. Generally you get rest or the fouler get DQ'd.. Larry Holmes repeatedly got rest from the low blows by Gerry Cooney when Holmes bent over.. Riddick Bowe got rest when he was fouled with low blows, and was eventually justly awarded both Golota fights.

Kirk Johnson got screwed when Joe Cortez called several low blows on Johnson while Ruiz was head butting him, wrestling, and physically throwing Johnson to canvas.. An accidental borderline low blow ended the fight on DQ. The punch didn't hurt Ruiz in the slightest, but Cortez handed the fight to his buddy, the fouling Ruiz, on DQ.. The commentators all disagreed with the decision.. Justice is sometimes done in this game ... at other times corruption prevails.

Duplicate post, which is also off-topic. I've answered this point on another thread.

EO

Dont waste your time writing this much on a boring boxer. Just be happy the mo+:._€;:!::&(\#*er is gone

Jip wrote:EO

Dont waste your time writing this much on a boring boxer. Just be happy the mo+:._€;:!::&(\#*er is gone

Boring or not, I bet a lot of people didn't realise how accomplished Andre Ward really is.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Jip wrote:EO

Dont waste your time writing this much on a boring boxer. Just be happy the mo+:._€;:!::&(\#*er is gone

Boring or not, I bet a lot of people didn't realise how accomplished Andre Ward really is.

Look how quickly you answered and how much you write. You spend to much time in here. Go outside for a walk

"Ward vs Kovalev 2 full fight from inside the arena"

Any Kovalev nut hugger who thinks Kovalev would have won this fight watch this on youtube.

No commentator, no bias.... Just watch the fight.

When Kovalev gets stopped he doesn't hold his nuts when he gets up he holds the right side of his stomach (shock) proof of a legitimate stoppage.

Kovalev couldn't stand the heat

The fight still ended with at least two obvious low blows. Any ref following rules had to give Kovalev time to recover after that and possibly take a point from Ward, as that was a repeated offence. Ward would most likely still win, as Kovalev already gassed, but the stoppage and not punishing low blows was outrageous.

If Ward did not get these two tainted wins against Kovalev, where would people rank him? He's one of the best super middleweights, but the division does not have the history of older divisions. If he's being compared to the best pound for pound of all time, his resume is not strong.

Not sure if a lot of points made on that list are legitimate or are worth anything.

For the most part credibility is based off of who you fought, when you fought them and the outcome.
It's easy to rip apart a resume.

Way I see Andre is like this.

Firstly I like the guy. he seems a stand up honest man and very likeable.
As a boxer Andre had one of those tricky styles that a lot of people couldn't work out, he didn't exactly perform highly in any one category apart from discipline, but that's not to say he under performed in any one category either he was just good in all of them collectively.
Andre reminded me of BHOP in his approach to opponents, he can read most of them like a book and has them beat before the first bell that's how savvy I think he was.
In the years to come I think we'll look at his record and say it wasn't ATG, but will regard Andre as very difficult to beat and a serious challenger to everyone, not an opponent to take lightly.
Andre Ward made a good decision, sure he could have fought on and made big coin but I think it's a testament to who he really is deep down and values his family and health a lot more than another payday.
That's who I think the real Andre Ward is, money is important and he made a good whack of it but why risk it anymore while he can go home to a happy family and his health and go out on a high note.
I wish the man the best of luck in the future and look forward to seeing him analyze fights for us because he's pretty darn good at that too.

I think about nineteen of those bullet points are about being the super middleweight champion.

I think he retired because he did not want to risk losing. He reached No. 1 pound for pound according to the media, so there was no need to fight anymore.

In short, very few care about Ward's resume, or how skilled he is/was as a fighter. Most on this site at least have per-conceived notions about his legacy, which many will call crap because they hate him for one reason or another. Same with Floyd, and the same happened to Ali initially. Ali at one time was probably the most hated AND most like simultaneously on the planet. Millions hated Ali in the U.S., the same as they hate on Floyd and Ward. All for different reasons for the most part but still the same ignorant hate.

History will judge him fairly, even though most here won't. Some of you dumbasses said he will never take the rematch with Kovalev. Said Kovalev is pfp #1. After Ward won again most won't even give him mention of the pfp discussion? WTF? A lot of stupid and biased people.

Badhusker wrote:In short, very few care about Ward's resume, or how skilled he is/was as a fighter. Most on this site at least have per-conceived notions about his legacy, which many will call crap because they hate him for one reason or another. Same with Floyd, and the same happened to Ali initially. Ali at one time was probably the most hated AND most like simultaneously on the planet. Millions hated Ali in the U.S., the same as they hate on Floyd and Ward. All for different reasons for the most part but still the same ignorant hate.

History will judge him fairly, even though most here won't. Some of you dumbasses said he will never take the rematch with Kovalev. Said Kovalev is pfp #1. After Ward won again most won't even give him mention of the pfp discussion? WTF? A lot of stupid and biased people.

That's what the media said, especially HBO because they were broadcasting the fight. They billed it as the top two pound for pound matchup between Ward and Kovalev. They were in the lower top ten at best for their first fight in my opinion. Ward is No. 149 pound for pound on boxrec. I know that some of the boxers rated ahead of him will never be in the hall of fame, but there are about 100 boxers who have better resumes than Ward. Ali and Mayweather are among the best of all time. Even though people hated them for whatever reasons (political, jealousy, etc.), they still were among the best. Ward is not and he never will be no matter how much time passes. That's the truth.

He's had a Hall of Fame career. I hope it's really over.

In the first fight I considered it to be a legitimate shot at the P4P No 1 position rather than 1 and 2 boxing one another, it was a hot fight and well deserving of it's stature at the time.

gilgamesh wrote:He's had a Hall of Fame career. I hope it's really over.

I agree that he had a hall of fame career. I just don't think he is one of the best of all time.

RScarf1 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He's had a Hall of Fame career. I hope it's really over.

I agree that he had a hall of fame career. I just don't think he is one of the best of all time.

Who ever said he was?

He's one of the best Super Middleweights of all time (Young division). I don't think anybody ever said he was one of the best all around Boxers of all time.

Badhusker wrote:In short, very few care about Ward's resume, or how skilled he is/was as a fighter. Most on this site at least have per-conceived notions about his legacy, which many will call crap because they hate him for one reason or another. Same with Floyd, and the same happened to Ali initially. Ali at one time was probably the most hated AND most like simultaneously on the planet. Millions hated Ali in the U.S., the same as they hate on Floyd and Ward. All for different reasons for the most part but still the same ignorant hate.

History will judge him fairly, even though most here won't. Some of you dumbasses said he will never take the rematch with Kovalev. Said Kovalev is pfp #1. After Ward won again most won't even give him mention of the pfp discussion? WTF? A lot of stupid and biased people.

No...just one. You!!!

Kovalev beat Ward twice by any just measure... He beat him once by decision and once by DQ -- if honest officials had been involved.. Fat chance of that.

..as a pro boxer, any achievements OUTSIDE his backyard?

Andre Ward

Carl Froch
Mikkel Kessler
Sergey Kovalev II
Sergey Kovalev I
Arthur Abraham
Chad Dawson
Sullivan Barrera
Sakio Bika
Allan Green
Edwin Rodriguez


Is his record good enough to be considered a top 100 ATG? He really should have done far more.

That long hiatus he took hurts his legacy a bit. But, he still fought and beat all the best of his time. Top notch resume.

That being said, I was never a fan. I can't think of one time I've ever rooted for him. But, we have to be objective in looking at his career if you want to be taken seriously.

Only 2 PPV's?

RScarf1 wrote:

Badhusker wrote:In short, very few care about Ward's resume, or how skilled he is/was as a fighter. Most on this site at least have per-conceived notions about his legacy, which many will call crap because they hate him for one reason or another. Same with Floyd, and the same happened to Ali initially. Ali at one time was probably the most hated AND most like simultaneously on the planet. Millions hated Ali in the U.S., the same as they hate on Floyd and Ward. All for different reasons for the most part but still the same ignorant hate.

History will judge him fairly, even though most here won't. Some of you dumbasses said he will never take the rematch with Kovalev. Said Kovalev is pfp #1. After Ward won again most won't even give him mention of the pfp discussion? WTF? A lot of stupid and biased people.

That's what the media said, especially HBO because they were broadcasting the fight. They billed it as the top two pound for pound matchup between Ward and Kovalev. They were in the lower top ten at best for their first fight in my opinion. Ward is No. 149 pound for pound on boxrec. I know that some of the boxers rated ahead of him will never be in the hall of fame, but there are about 100 boxers who have better resumes than Ward. Ali and Mayweather are among the best of all time. Even though people hated them for whatever reasons (political, jealousy, etc.), they still were among the best. Ward is not and he never will be no matter how much time passes. That's the truth.

Ward would be... He's probably the best Super Middleweight ever... He's beaten some good fighters.. He definitely has slicker pure boxing skills than Ali, Moore, Chavez, De La Hoya, Louis, Pacquiao, Langford, and a lot of top rated ATG's -- but he's a lying, cheating bastard so he's disrespected. Rightly so.

Impractical Poster wrote:That long hiatus he took hurts his legacy a bit. But, he still fought and beat all the best of his time.

He should have fought Bute at super middleweight before Froch got to him.

He should fight/have fought Stevenson, Hopkins, Alvarez, Beterbiev, Pascal, Jack etc.

He's got a good record, but he has hardly cleaned house at light heavyweight.