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What's your thoughts gents? Good or?

Right about where I expected.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Right about where I expected.

Would you say it's a good amount or a bit underwhelming or somewhere in between?

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Right about where I expected.

Would you say it's a good amount or a bit underwhelming or somewhere in between?

A million is always good. This fight probably lost a half million buys the second Mayweather/McGregor was announced. Though the entertaining nature of that fight might have helped with some buys too.

That's like the fourth show where Alvarez has done 900k+ ppv buys, so he's officially a spectacular cash cow. There are, in fact, no other boxers who have headlined 4 shows selling 900k+ ppv buys by the age of 28. This places him on track to potentially be the biggest ppv attraction of all time. I know there are some people who would read this and react feeling that Mayweather is quite clearly the superior cash cow, but I would counter that Mayweather didn't sell any 900k+ ppv shows until after he turned 30.

Over a million..very good. Although I wonder how much illegal streaming has cut into it, gonna say I think its way more prevelant then 2015s May/pac time. Facebook live, YouTube live, websites, kodi, then having the fight posted to YouTube and various websites not long after.

It did better than Canelo-Cotto and Cotto was an established name and probably a bigger star than GGG at the time, so I think it's a success. Oscar's prediction of 3 million was outlandish.

Streaming was much more reliable a decade ago. I didn't even have HBO or showtime then. Crystal clear streams on sopcast that never went down. I bet significantly less people streamed canelo/GGG than streamed Floyd/Oscar.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Streaming was much more reliable a decade ago. I didn't even have HBO or showtime then. Crystal clear streams on sopcast that never went down. I bet significantly less people streamed canelo/GGG than streamed Floyd/Oscar.

That’s interesting, I didn’t figure that. Personally I was only introduced to kodi last year and obviously youtube replays. Fair enough, I think it’s a solid number though.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Right about where I expected.

Would you say it's a good amount or a bit underwhelming or somewhere in between?

A million is always good. This fight probably lost a half million buys the second Mayweather/McGregor was announced. Though the entertaining nature of that fight might have helped with some buys too.

I honestly don't think Mayweather McGregor affected the sales one bit.
The majority of the circus were casuals or UFC fans.
This fight was always for the purists

lazboy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Streaming was much more reliable a decade ago. I didn't even have HBO or showtime then. Crystal clear streams on sopcast that never went down. I bet significantly less people streamed canelo/GGG than streamed Floyd/Oscar.

That’s interesting, I didn’t figure that. Personally I was only introduced to kodi last year and obviously youtube replays. Fair enough, I think it’s a solid number though.

I miss those streams. I'm back to buying this crap because they're just not that reliable anymore. I agree it's a good number. Canelo is the new money man. He and aj. Boxing was more popular then too. Friends I had on maxboxing that watched fights every day are pretty much done with it.

Yeah good what else do they expect?

tiny_acres wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote: Would you say it's a good amount or a bit underwhelming or somewhere in between?

A million is always good. This fight probably lost a half million buys the second Mayweather/McGregor was announced. Though the entertaining nature of that fight might have helped with some buys too.

I honestly don't think Mayweather McGregor affected the sales one bit.
The majority of the circus were casuals or UFC fans.
This fight was always for the purists

So you don't think any of the 4 million that bought the fight were casuals that might have bought this one? I disagree. Though I absolutely agree that most of the buys were not fans of boxing or the UFC.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lazboy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Streaming was much more reliable a decade ago. I didn't even have HBO or showtime then. Crystal clear streams on sopcast that never went down. I bet significantly less people streamed canelo/GGG than streamed Floyd/Oscar.

That’s interesting, I didn’t figure that. Personally I was only introduced to kodi last year and obviously youtube replays. Fair enough, I think it’s a solid number though.

I miss those streams. I'm back to buying this crap because they're just not that reliable anymore. I agree it's a good number. Canelo is the new money man. He and aj. Boxing was more popular then too. Friends I had on maxboxing that watched fights every day are pretty much done with it.

I'm starting to feel that way myself. It gets tiresome waiting for the genuine 50/50 type affairs to come around. I'm finding myself getting more and more into MMA or more so the UFC.

I'll be watching wilder/Ortiz on my DVR. The UFC that night is sick.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lazboy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Streaming was much more reliable a decade ago. I didn't even have HBO or showtime then. Crystal clear streams on sopcast that never went down. I bet significantly less people streamed canelo/GGG than streamed Floyd/Oscar.

That’s interesting, I didn’t figure that. Personally I was only introduced to kodi last year and obviously youtube replays. Fair enough, I think it’s a solid number though.

I miss those streams. I'm back to buying this crap because they're just not that reliable anymore. I agree it's a good number. Canelo is the new money man. He and aj. Boxing was more popular then too. Friends I had on maxboxing that watched fights every day are pretty much done with it.

Don’t worry mate you have friends here, I like you, Jip likes you haha. Yea but you’re right, they’re not reliable. I felt last year early this year kodi was...But I’ve been having trouble in terms of quality and drop outs lately. I didn’t take the gamble and bought both mayweather and ggg/Canelo, both money well spent if you ask me.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: A million is always good. This fight probably lost a half million buys the second Mayweather/McGregor was announced. Though the entertaining nature of that fight might have helped with some buys too.

I honestly don't think Mayweather McGregor affected the sales one bit.
The majority of the circus were casuals or UFC fans.
This fight was always for the purists

So you don't think any of the 4 million that bought the fight were casuals that might have bought this one? I disagree. Though I absolutely agree that most of the buys were not fans of boxing or the UFC.

Probably no more than 50 thousand.
This fight was never going to be what Golden boy said it would be.

lazboy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lazboy wrote:
That’s interesting, I didn’t figure that. Personally I was only introduced to kodi last year and obviously youtube replays. Fair enough, I think it’s a solid number though.

I miss those streams. I'm back to buying this crap because they're just not that reliable anymore. I agree it's a good number. Canelo is the new money man. He and aj. Boxing was more popular then too. Friends I had on maxboxing that watched fights every day are pretty much done with it.

Don’t worry mate you have friends here, I like you, Jip likes you haha. Yea but you’re right, they’re not reliable. I felt last year early this year kodi was...But I’ve been having trouble in terms of quality and drop outs lately. I didn’t take the gamble and bought both mayweather and ggg/Canelo, both money well spent if you ask me.

Lol, right back at you. I wasn't displeased with either buy either. Though a 400 dollar cable bill annoys me.

lazboy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lazboy wrote:
That’s interesting, I didn’t figure that. Personally I was only introduced to kodi last year and obviously youtube replays. Fair enough, I think it’s a solid number though.

I miss those streams. I'm back to buying this crap because they're just not that reliable anymore. I agree it's a good number. Canelo is the new money man. He and aj. Boxing was more popular then too. Friends I had on maxboxing that watched fights every day are pretty much done with it.

Don’t worry mate you have friends here, I like you, Jip likes you haha. Yea but you’re right, they’re not reliable. I felt last year early this year kodi was...But I’ve been having trouble in terms of quality and drop outs lately. I didn’t take the gamble and bought both mayweather and ggg/Canelo, both money well spent if you ask me.

There are reliable streams like all those sites streaming Russian and Ukrainian public TV channels. The problem is that this time Russian and Ukrainian channels didn't get the fight, so streaming was really limited. May vs Mac, one could watch on a reliable Russian stream, but not GGG vs Canelo.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Streaming was much more reliable a decade ago. I didn't even have HBO or showtime then. Crystal clear streams on sopcast that never went down. I bet significantly less people streamed canelo/GGG than streamed Floyd/Oscar.

A big reason streamlinks were more reliable back then was that there were more of them based here in the US. It was about 6-7 years ago that UFC sued Justin.tv and the DHS shut them down. I used to go there for a lot of boxing but the last time I checked it there was a government insignia across the screen that said "This Website Closed Down by Department of Homeland Security".

https://www.mmamania.com/2011/1/21/1949 ... y-campaign

The Zuffa legal eagles are flying high again, this time swooping down and sinking their talons into the scurvy pirates at Justin.tv, a popular destination for live (and illegally broadcasted) UFC programming.

Now, just about all the free streamlinks are overseas ones. I'm not aware of ANY based in the US...

Sportinwood and MMA TV were the best.

i think that is a very good number. a pure
boxing match, with no fighter "transcending"
the sport in a way that ali did or being so
outlandishly popular as floyd or manny,
getting that kind of reach is just great.

i am happy that the big events this year
didn't disappoint. the two biggest fights
were not delayed, had any injury flaws or
turned into snooze feasts. a while back
that was very different.

to me one of the better years in boxing in
quite a while.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lazboy wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Streaming was much more reliable a decade ago. I didn't even have HBO or showtime then. Crystal clear streams on sopcast that never went down. I bet significantly less people streamed canelo/GGG than streamed Floyd/Oscar.

That’s interesting, I didn’t figure that. Personally I was only introduced to kodi last year and obviously youtube replays. Fair enough, I think it’s a solid number though.

I miss those streams. I'm back to buying this crap because they're just not that reliable anymore. I agree it's a good number. Canelo is the new money man. He and aj. Boxing was more popular then too. Friends I had on maxboxing that watched fights every day are pretty much done with it.

I'd say it's a lot easier to stream now, especially if you're not bothered about commentary. The rise of international services means I could watch GGG VS Canelo on American, British or Japanese streams in clear quality, and I suspect Chinese was also on offer.

I'll admit the Japanese one is a by product of a subscription service but the option is there

Boxing Prospect wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lazboy wrote:
That’s interesting, I didn’t figure that. Personally I was only introduced to kodi last year and obviously youtube replays. Fair enough, I think it’s a solid number though.

I miss those streams. I'm back to buying this crap because they're just not that reliable anymore. I agree it's a good number. Canelo is the new money man. He and aj. Boxing was more popular then too. Friends I had on maxboxing that watched fights every day are pretty much done with it.

I'd say it's a lot easier to stream now, especially if you're not bothered about commentary. The rise of international services means I could watch GGG VS Canelo on American, British or Japanese streams in clear quality, and I suspect Chinese was also on offer.

I'll admit the Japanese one is a by product of a subscription service but the option is there

The streams are way worse now. The illegal ones that is.

Lackeos wrote:That's like the fourth show where Alvarez has done 900k+ ppv buys, so he's officially a spectacular cash cow. There are, in fact, no other boxers who have headlined 4 shows selling 900k+ ppv buys by the age of 28. This places him on track to potentially be the biggest ppv attraction of all time. I know there are some people who would read this and react feeling that Mayweather is quite clearly the superior cash cow, but I would counter that Mayweather didn't sell any 900k+ ppv shows until after he turned 30.

I doubt Canelo will fight past 36.