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Luis Ortiz has retained his place in the newly-announced World Boxing Council ratings despite being pulled from a title challenge recently.

Current WBC Top 20:

1 .- Bermane Stiverne (Haiti/Canada)
2 .- Luis Ortiz (Cuba)
3 .- Dillian Whyte (Jamaica/GB) INTL
4 .- Andy Ruiz (Mexico)
5 .- Carlos Takam (Cameroon)
6 .- Dominic Breazeale (US)
7 .- Mariusz Wach (Poland)
8 .- Dereck Chisora (GB)
9 .- Johann Duhaupas (France)
10 .- Oscar Rivas (Colombia/US) NABF
11 .- Charles Martin (US)
12 .- Eric Molina (US)
13 .- Agit Kabayel (Germany) EBU
14 .- Lucas Browne (Australia)
15 .- Adam Kownacki (US) CBP/P
16 .- Robert Helenius (Finland) INTL Silver
17 .- Kyotaro Fujimoto (Japan) OPBF
18 .- Hughie Fury (GB)
19 .- Tony Bellew (GB)
20 .- Alexander Dimitrenko (Russia)

The WBC can't impose any punishment on Luis Ortiz until they've thoroughly researched the situation that resulted in the Cuban testing positive for banned substances (renowned masking agents), since the same drugs also serve medicinal purposes that his team failed to disclose to VADA via their questionnaire (and nor did they request an exemption either).

Therefore, it seems inevitable that Luis Ortiz will be removed from the WBC’s rankings in due course (either due to his medical condition, for failing to adhere to the stipulated rules or for being a repeat offender drug cheat).

Looking like winner of Whyte-Chisora will be next mandatory.

marvelous marv wrote:Looking like winner of Whyte-Chisora will be next mandatory.

A rematch between Whyte-Chisora is very likely to happen in the short-term... and perhaps the WBC will declare this as a final eliminator...

However, why would the WBC bypass Andy Ruiz Jr., since he's ranked above Dereck Chisora?

marvelous marv wrote:Looking like winner of Whyte-Chisora will be next mandatory.

Breazeale looks to be the mandatory next if he beats Molina.. Don't know what Andy Ruiz is doing in top 3

Molina is surely discredited as a contender and shouldn't feature in any kind of eliminator before getting a decent win or two under his belt. I don't know how Ruiz is so highly rated having been so inactive. Whyte has been pretty inactive too other than the meaningless stroll against Malcolm Tann.

It looks like Ortiz is likely to be removed from consideration if he is not prevented on medical grounds from being next up for Joshua (sorry x2x, I mean Pulev don't I ) so I'd like to see Whyte against Ruiz and the winner either becomes mandatory or has to face Breazeale (or Molina) in a final eliminator.

That of course assumes, perhaps naively, that the position is filled on merit rather than by auction.

candyslim wrote:Molina is surely discredited as a contender and shouldn't feature in any kind of eliminator before getting a decent win or two under his belt. I don't know how Ruiz is so highly rated having been so inactive. Whyte has been pretty inactive too other than the meaningless stroll against Malcolm Tann.

It looks like Ortiz is likely to be removed from consideration if he is not prevented on medical grounds from being next up for Joshua (sorry x2x, I mean Pulev don't I ) so I'd like to see Whyte against Ruiz and the winner either becomes mandatory or has to face Breazeale (or Molina) in a final eliminator.

That of course assumes, perhaps naively, that the position is filled on merit rather than by auction.

Boxers that lose in a world title challenge tend to take a year out.. I find it strange.. being a world title challenger, you don't get paid that handsomely.. Domonic Wade is another one.. I believe he made $200k for his GGG loss. While I do believe it is probably 10x more than any amount he has ever received. He hasn't fought since that loss.. and that was in the first quarter of 2016.

Stiverne is genuinly the worst of them all isn't he? As well as the most inactive, since his loss he hasn't fought any ranked person at all and still gained many ranks. Duhaupas used to be ranked one spot below Stiverne. The WBC clearly can't be taken serious at this point.

Also remarkeble to see that Mansour is losing ranks and ranks and ranks, despite only winning and despite being the American champ. I still have to admit that I expect him to be really aging soon, I still think he's treathed very unfair.

Totally against the Muhammad Ali rule.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

marvelous marv wrote:Looking like winner of Whyte-Chisora will be next mandatory.

Breazeale looks to be the mandatory next if he beats Molina.. Don't know what Andy Ruiz is doing in top 3

Its absolutely inexplicable how Ruiez or Stiverne are even in the top 5. Ruiez haanet even fought since his loss to Parker, Stiverne only once since his loss to Wilder.
It's a joke..

asdfjkl wrote:Stiverne is genuinly the worst of them all isn't he? As well as the most inactive, since his loss he hasn't fought any ranked person at all and still gained many ranks. Duhaupas used to be ranked one spot below Stiverne. The WBC clearly can't be taken serious at this point.

Also remarkeble to see that Mansour is losing ranks and ranks and ranks, despite only winning and despite being the American champ. I still have to admit that I expect him to be really aging soon, I still think he's treathed very unfair.

Totally against the Muhammad Ali rule.

Mansour has been very mistreated.. You're right, he just keeps on winning.. Surprised he isn't even ranked by any other orgs.

It's a funny thing with rankings. It's all based on perception, it can't really be any other way. BoxRec work to a formula which seems to be about as good as it gets. Here's what I mean about perception ...

Aside from inactivity is Andy Ruiz Jnr any good?
Sure he is - some might say world class.
On what basis can you say that?
He took the world champion to a split decision on his home turf. He might have won had it been stateside.
World champion? ... Parker? ... you mean WBO champion? ... who did he beat to win that title?
Err ... Andy Ruiz Jnr. but he beat other top fighters.
Like ... ?
Err ... Carlos Takam ... he's very well respected.
The guy knocked out by Povetkin?
Yeah but he has other good wins
Such as ... ?
Err ... Michael Grant?
Seriously ... ?
And he beat Tony Thompson
Who didn't?
David Price twice.
You're kidding me, right?
Ok, Odlanier Solis then.
Who beat Monte Barrett in 2009, who else?
Yakup Saglam
You're f...ing with me?
There's Ray Austin
Ray Austin?
I know ... I know

candyslim wrote:It's a funny thing with rankings. It's all based on perception, it can't really be any other way. BoxRec work to a formula which seems to be about as good as it gets. Here's what I mean about perception ...

Aside from inactivity is Andy Ruiz Jnr any good?
Sure he is - some might say world class.
On what basis can you say that?
He took the world champion to a split decision on his home turf. He might have won had it been stateside.
World champion? ... Parker? ... you mean WBO champion? ... who did he beat to win that title?
Err ... Andy Ruiz Jnr. but he beat other top fighters.
Like ... ?
Err ... Carlos Takam ... he's very well respected.
The guy knocked out by Povetkin?
Yeah but he has other good wins
Such as ... ?
Err ... Michael Grant?
Seriously ... ?
And he beat Tony Thompson
Who didn't?
David Price twice.
You're kidding me, right?
Ok, Odlanier Solis then.
Who beat Monte Barrett in 2009, who else?
Yakup Saglam
You're f...ing with me?
There's Ray Austin
Ray Austin?
I know ... I know

Thanks for clearing that up
Parker's belt is so loose, every time he stands up it falls to his ankles.

I wasn't having a go at Parker. Well I suppose I was indirectly, but that was incidental. The point being that our value judgements of any fighter is extremely subjective, based as they are on equally subjective opinions of the people they have fought. To continue the Parker example, if you accept that Ruiz, Takam and Fury are deserving of a top 10 ranking, then Parker has a very respectable record, but if you take the view that any respect which attaches to their names stems largely from their performance against an unconvincing champion, then they become four unproven fighters in your estimation, and your opinion of Parker is further devalued.

The whole 'stucture' is as inter-dependent as a house-of-cards.

Am I making any kind of sense or just talking shite which to be fair is not entirely unheard of?